Intel Architecture vs AMD architecture, which is better?

[MU_Engineer]

For your information, I have 10+ years in the IT industry. I work at a hospital, everyday there are lives that depend on my equipment. So I take great pride in my job.

I feel sorry for you if you're doing IT work in a hospital. I also work in a hospital and the IT infrastructure is a bit lacking and the software a bit buggy, to put it nicely. The poor IT guys there have their job cut out for them keeping a thousand or so machines mostly from the P4 era working nicely with an EMR system so buggy and slow that it makes Windows Me look fast and reliable. Plus, when something doesn't work right, you have a bunch of angry phone calls from a senior attending absolutely reaming you out because the computer isn't working properly and they wanted it fixed ten minutes ago (don't worry, it's not just you, they rip apart medical students, interns, residents, and even less-senior attendings as well.)

 

[BadTrip]

oh we still have some 300pl ibms 266 mhz pentium 2's running xp, lol. Our bigget problem besides a few vendor proprietary programs is an ancient as400 with dumb terminals.

 

[uncfan_2563]

demonnn, ati doesn't make cpu's

O.O

 

[Upendra09]

that is like saying AMD doesn't make GPUs

ooooooooohhhhhhhh

 

[uncfan_2563]

that made no sense.

 

[silverron]

The Hatfields and McCoys still fighting over who has the most! Who has the most shares on wall street? Which company has the most assests and has made the most bottom line profit? Who has been #1 since the beginning? The facts, facts ,facts Watson, that is where it lies!

 

[Upendra09]

u said ATI doesn't make CPUs

and i said AMD doesn't make GPUs


i believe my statement was contrapositive

 

[Dekasav]

AMD does make GPUs.

 

[Upendra09]

no that would be ATI

 

[uncfan_2563]

No upendra, AMD does make GPU's. ATI is just a brand they use now

 

[xaira]

actually, ati is hardly seen, theyre all described as radeon

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=48&name=Desktop-Graphics-Video-Cards

 

[Upendra09]

oh ok i see so ATI is just a name not a company or subsector of AMD

and xaira, they should change the name to just Radeon

 

[Mousemonkey]

Ati is the company and Radeon is the product line just as Nvidia have GeForce, Intel have Pentium and AMD have Athlon.

 

[Upendra09]

who is the guy in ur sig

 

[Mousemonkey]

The greatest motorcycle rider of all time.

 

[randomizer]

AMD does not exist, only ATI.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

All right, I'll try to do my best here. First of all, AMD is not doing badly at all. Their CPUs are solid and even though they are a little slower in some programs than the fastest Core i7s, the overall price of an equivalent AMD system is noticeably less than an Intel system and it is hard to recommend Intel for any desktop system except for higher-end systems. Also remember that AMD's CPUs do very well in gaming and are frequently faster than Intel's CPUs. It is my opinion that Intel's fastest CPUs are generally a little faster than AMD's because of the following:

1. Compile-time optimization targeting Intel CPUs is far more common than compile-time optimization targeting AMD CPUs on Windows. This is especially true for programs compiled with Intel's own ICC compiler, which has a cpuid() check that can disable certain optimized code paths on AMD CPUs but leaves them enabled on Intel CPUs. This is apparent if you look at benchmarks of the same programs compiled with a vendor-neutral compiler like GCC running on Linux. Go look through the Phoronix database and the Phenom IIs are considerably more competitive with the Core i5s and i7s than they appear to be on Windows.

2. Greater clock speed on lightly-threaded tasks due to the use of Turbo Boost, particularly on Lynnfield CPUs.

3. Greater memory bandwidth due to the 192-bit IMC on the Bloomfields.

4. HyperThreading allowing for a potential ~20% boost in highly-threaded applications.

5. Typically larger caches. Intel was bolting huge caches on the Core 2s as the Yorkfields had up to 12 MB of cache onboard. This is a smaller issue today as both the Core i5/i7s and the Deneb Phenoms have about 8 MB of usable cache- Intel has an inclusive cache strategy with 8 MB of L3 and AMD has exclusive caches of 6 MB (L3) and 2 MB (L2s).

6. The Core-based chips are four-issue, while the Phenoms are three-issue. This is more of a theoretical advantage as I've only ever seen peak performance of 2.x IPC retired in x86 CPUs. if somebody has better examples, tell me.

You might like this: http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&id=102500&threadid=102499&roomid=2

It answers your last assumption (#6) question and then some.

PS. I was just banned from AMDZone (TheWaywardWanderer) for beating Abinstein, Scentia and Baron Matrix in a debate 😛

 

[Mousemonkey]

PS. I was just banned from AMDZone (TheWaywardWanderer) for beating Abinstein, Scentia and Baron Matrix in a debate 😛

[:wolfen18:9] And welcome back.

 

[xaira]

ooh yeah, theyve got fire gl and stream

 

[Upendra09]

wasn't Baron Matrix here? and where did Dragonslayer go?

 

[BadTrip]

PS. I was just banned from AMDZone (TheWaywardWanderer) for beating Abinstein, Scentia and Baron Matrix in a debate 😛

That is awesome. The idiots over there do nothing but ban people when they are defeated. Oh and by the way, Welcome back.

 

[intelx]

whaaaaaaat WELCOME BACK MOTHER FKER!!!!

AMD bought ATI so u can say Amd makes GPUS

 

[demonnn]

I love Ati & Intel togeth3er

 

[Upendra09]

wasn't Baron Matrix here? and where did Dragonslayer go?

i repeat my question

 

[randomizer]

That would be dragonsprayer. Just look for the oversized sig advertisement, I'm sure he's still around somewhere. I think he posts more in article comments now anyway.