Intel CEO Says Windows 8 is Not Fully Ready

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[citation][nom]opmopadop[/nom]What the hell is Paul on about. No specific bugs to report, just random bashing. WHAT ARE THESE BUGS YOU TALK OF PAUL?I have been using the Windows 8 OS for developing over a year now and its been fine.[/citation]
You are obviously more intelligent than Intel!
 
After having used it for more than a month, I rebuilt the computer with Windows 7. Two main issues:

1) Usability - awful for a dual monitor desktop. Windows 8 expects you to put the mouse in the corner of the display, which might be easy with a single monitor, but not so easy with two. This makes the new UI very difficult to use and much slower than Windows 7. There are also many usability issues within the new UI apps. For example, trying to change the default location for weather took almost 30 minutes. It is not intuitive at all. It is difficult to do stuff that was once simple. For example, having a web browser up and a Word document up and using the web browser for reference as you create a document. This UI would be much better suited for a tablet or phone.

2) It crashes. It seems to be mainly related to coming out of sleep mode. Could be isolated to some driver on my machine, but it becomes extremely annoying having to troubleshoot the computer every time it goes into sleep mode.

Note: there are a lot of improvements under the hood that would be great with a desktop UI.
 
Like the commenter who mentioned that he had installed win 2012 server on the corporate network I also have been deploying small numbers of the OS on ours for testing purposes. The fact of the matter is that is the direction Microsoft are heading and it certainly makes some logical sense to run things like SQL Server 2012 on top of Windows Server 2012 along with having Visual Studio 2012 for developing with. And having the year in the name helps with tracking OS deployment... why they don't just call windows 8 something like Windows Workstation/Home 2012 and be done with it I'll never know. I cant even accurately remember when windows XP, Vista and 7 came out without having a look at maybe somewhere like wikipedia.
 
even if that means that Windows 8 will ship with some annoying bugs.
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Windows 8 is not shipping with any major bugs. Its rock solid. What a stupid thing to say about Windows 8.

WHAT Windows H8TE is shipping out with is DEFECTIVE DESIGN.

Myself and a fellow guest on this site came up with a better Windows 8 design that would have been acceptable = Windows 8 would boot up like Win7, open the Start Menu and you'd see a 2-column Metro interface in the START MENU with the right side being normal Win7. Slide to right to view ALL apps (like Win7). No charms. On a tablet, it could have charms (shades really) and that Metro APPS would run in little Windows and are movable like anything else or click for full screen.

Here is my UPDATED version... since MS wants the LIVE tiles to be useful - since WIn8 LIVE tiles are USELESS since they are only view-able when you are in the START screen.

My Windows 8 version B:
0 - During install, option choose Desktop or Tablet RT... default UI. (we're talking desktop)

1 - UI desktop skin looks like Win8 ver 8440 (which has some personality - not the bland flat shit of Win8 RTM)

2 - The log-on screen may look like Win 8, start typing and it slides away. Goes directly to desktop.

3 - Normal START button, brings up normal START menu - no real change, maybe some tweaks.

4 - The LEFT side of the screen has a 2-column METRO interface - like a really long WP8 screen. Its always there. Applications CANNOT cover it up (just like the Task bar) - unless the USER chooses an option to HIDE it. The user can choose default colors, custom individual colors, size. (1x1 2x1 1x2 or 2x2) This would be a good size for a finger to press.

5 - Metro Apps would either open full screen or as a window like THEY SHOULD!

6 - Win8 RT would be the UI we already know (made for low-powered ARM CPUs).

And with todays 16:9 screens, its not hurting anything. Very acceptable, I would think.

*HAD* Microsoft done these simple things, I doubt many people would be bitching about how stupid and ugly Windows 8 is for the desktop.

Microsoft disregarded all input on this. They could have EASILY fixed this months ago... if they had a some people with a BRAIN.

*I* could simply buy 3 Win8Pro upgrades for $40 a pop with my WinXP licences/discs alone. I'm about to upgrade my computer soon... its 5 years old. What am I doing? I'm going to spend $140 for a Win7Pro 64bit OEM without blinking. Windows H8TE isn't worth $5 on any of my desktops. (I do have Win8 on a notebook, it runs fine - excellent actually, a lot to like about it)

I've been running Launcher7 on my Android Samsung phone for almost 2 years (WP7 type interface). I was waiting for the WP8 Lumias to come out for my next upgrade... until I installed Win8. I have a new Atrix HD phone with Android 4.0 (soon 4.1) - I *WILL NOT* be using Launcher7/8 on it. I really love the new Android UI/experience now. I don't need METRO.

Win8 is not buggy, its defective. Microsoft has screwed themselves.
 
[citation][nom]Bloob[/nom]I hate statements like these, there's still a desktop-environment, Metro is just a fullscreen start menu. You really aren't losing anything, especially if you are a "power user".[/citation] If you are NOT losing anything, then you are NOT gaining anything.

The live-tiles and whatever is pure shit with Windows 8. Task switching between metro and Desktop is really smooth... NOT!
 
I've been noticing some NEW posters who sing generic praises about Windows8. These are Microsoft PR people. You'll only see 1-2 posts from them, ever. Just like paid PR jerks from HP who went to sites saying how wonderful the HP tablet with WebOS is like a wet dream.

Call these PR jerks out and shut them down.
 
[citation][nom]Botia[/nom]After having used it for more than a month, I rebuilt the computer with Windows 7. Two main issues:.2) It crashes. It seems to be mainly related to coming out of sleep mode. Could be isolated to some driver on my machine, but it becomes extremely annoying having to troubleshoot the computer every time it goes into sleep mode.Note: there are a lot of improvements under the hood that would be great with a desktop UI.[/citation]

I have no problems with sleep/resume, but I dont use hybrid sleep, intel's quick resume (or whatever its called in the BIOS) or hibernate modes. Just standard S3 sleep.
 
Microsoft you are like the Galactic Empire in Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy, you are so ginormous and byzantine that you do not realize you are on the way to an imminent fall, your management and current emperor Steve Ballmer's Hubris has resulted in the first signs of that fall, Windoze 8! It will take you a good while to completely fall, and I am beginning to see Linux as the Foundation that will have to replace you, and build a better operating system!
 
if some people miss there start button its still there in a smaller more efficient menu, try right clicking the bottom left of the screen.

but for me I've been using it on my new hp laptop for 2 months now n its just better, i timed it the other day n it took 6 seconds too boot to the desktop while my main pc which also has a ssd took around 30 seconds on win7.
 
So[citation][nom]Bloob[/nom]I hate statements like these, there's still a desktop-environment, Metro is just a fullscreen start menu. You really aren't losing anything, especially if you are a "power user".[/citation]

So Metro is only touted as a deskotop "version" or whatever. Interesting. I'll have to remember that. I still just can't pull myself away from 7 for 8. I'm hearing no DVD support, and still an insanely fast boot up time. The boot up time is great if only there was some setting in there allowing us to slow it down enough for entering BIOS. I just wonder if this DVD thing is still true. I'm definitely waiting until a full review is posted on Tom's before I do anything. To me, 8 seems good for tablets, phones and the Xbox, but so much for PCs.
 

I'm pretty sure that's what Win 8 was designed for and they willfully ignored the fact that vast majority of users are going to be on a desktop or laptop. There should have been a version strictly for tablet/touchscreen and one for desktops/keyboard&mouse. Desktop version should have the standard start menu and the touchscreen can have the annoying metro UI.
 
it takes manufacturers 5 years to work out all the defects and bugs after a new product is released, my rule of thumb is not to buy for atleast 5 years when it comes to microsoft
 
I think this site is taking tickets for a fail boat ride. Not sure what the hate is all about. I can say after running the Enterprise Windows 8 Retail build on multiple macihes that the OS works great. I have encountered no bugs or issues what so ever. I have heard a lot of hot wind about BUGS and OH NOs No START Menu...Ahhhhhh.

However the reality is that the new interface works great and with touch support it is even better. The transitions between the new Windows 8 Interface and the desktop is seamless and very smooth. Everything of note just works. There may be behind the scenes issues, or perhaps the bugs that people like Wolfgang keep tossing out there are a figment of their imagination and brought about by pocketbook motivation.

This is all spoken on behalf of Windows 8 for x86, I have not tested or worked with a RT install. Perhaps it is FUBAR, but then why would Intel care about that.

-CB
 
This is guite normal as it says in the article. If you want to have real release version, wait for service pack 1... But win 7, was guite good in release and win 8 will allso be guite good in release, but first service pack seems to be the real ready version if you are not in hurry!
A lot of cheap beta testers among the first adopters... Seems to be true with every program release among the last years...
 
[citation][nom]azz156[/nom]i timed it the other day n it took 6 seconds too boot to the desktop while my main pc which also has a ssd took around 30 seconds on win7.[/citation] You are SO right. My Win8 Core2Duo notebook with an HD running Win8 powers up faster than my Core2Quad with an SSD.

Once running... doesn't matter. Kuddos still. Imagine how much faster it would be without two UI running at the same time. Its still not WORTH it to many of us. I'm still buying another $140 OEM Win7Pro for my next upgrade rather than the $40 deal... which is a waste of $40 IMHO.
 
[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]Windows h8te = Proof that Linux is an alternative.[/citation]

Yeah, remember how well that worked last time, when Vista came around? I still dont see a whole lot of inroads in the home userbase for Linux. I've been using various distros of Linux since like 98, so its not like I havent been paying attention. I'd say MacOS/iOS is the only alternative that has any chance in hell of taking a sizable chunk away from MS for the home desktop/laptop because of all the trendy, fancy iDevices it runs on. Even then, it hasnt really taken a sizable percentage away from MS in this area.
 
I think he is pissed because AMD gets such a boost from windows 8 that people might actually see significant advantages buying AMD over Intel, and I don't mean thread scheduling either. AMD has vastly superior GPU acceleration on the hardware and software sides than Intel, and have you seen just how much has been GPU accelerated in win8?
 
[citation][nom]ashinms[/nom]I think he is pissed because AMD gets such a boost from windows 8 that people might actually see significant advantages buying AMD over Intel, and I don't mean thread scheduling either. AMD has vastly superior GPU acceleration on the hardware and software sides than Intel, and have you seen just how much has been GPU accelerated in win8?[/citation]
Na, I don't think Intel even considers AMD.
 
[citation][nom]blppt[/nom]Yeah, remember how well that worked last time, when Vista came around? I still dont see a whole lot of inroads in the home userbase for Linux. I've been using various distros of Linux since like 98, so its not like I havent been paying attention.~~[/citation]
This is not 2006 or 2002.

For the typical human, as long as you have a browser - you can do anything. Android devices can do things that were not possible on desktops from 10 years ago. So... with the $500 Windows tablets that are NOT Windows x86 compatible - why bother? I say, screw apple... their desktop are not worth it. So for todays world, get a $300 Playstation 3 and then a $300~400 non Win8 device and walk away.

If someone is a power user - then Linux will not be impossible nor difficult to migrate to. I'm not GOING to Linux overnight. I have about 20 years of MS usage... I have forgotten how to use my Amiga from the 80s~90s(mostly) which works somewhat like Linux. I'll be erasing the WIN8 preview version and sticking Linux on it.

I'll still be using Windows for the next 2~3 years... but I see very little reason to actually continue buying MS software, other than a bunch of old software.
 
[citation][nom]GreaseMonkey_62[/nom]I'm pretty sure that's what Win 8 was designed for and they willfully ignored the fact that vast majority of users are going to be on a desktop or laptop. There should have been a version strictly for tablet/touchscreen and one for desktops/keyboard&mouse. Desktop version should have the standard start menu and the touchscreen can have the annoying metro UI.[/citation]
you say vast majority but i doubt it, i think its just a small group of forum posters. name 1 thing other then the start menu thats wrong with windows 8 & don't say the start buttons missing because it simply isnt since if anything it now has 2 start buttons and 2 start menus (bottom left & top right and left/right click on the bottom left start button for 2 different start menus)

though i don't disagree with you saying there should be 2 different versions but theres simply no escaping it since osx & ubuntu both have the full screen tablet style menus which work pretty much the same as win8s new start menu.

i cant help but think the fud crowd think they won with vista when win 7 came out and now think they can do the same again to win8 but again it isnt true since microsoft said they want to release a new os every 3 years and project mojave made real with windows 7.
 
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