News Intel Core i5-12400 Review: Budget Gaming Supremacy

[Zerk2012]

I just like the war between the fanboys.

 

[jacob249358]

All you need to know about the AMD shills on here is that they hang in the News forum like flies on a dead carcass but rarely if ever back their drivel up by walking the talk by posting builds in the Systems forum.

Wait you can post builds on here? Anyway it seems like amd has a marketing premium and it kinda reminds me of rog how they make it sound so incredible and make it more expensive. Like the 5600x is great but $300?? I'll take a few percent less performance and save $100 with the 11400f.
side note: why does it say proper under my name

 

[logainofhades]

Wait you can post builds on here? Anyway it seems like amd has a marketing premium and it kinda reminds me of rog how they make it sound so incredible and make it more expensive. Like the 5600x is great but $300?? I'll take a few percent less performance and save $100 with the 11400f.
side note: why does it say proper under my name

When you are on top, you can charge more. Intel did for years, until Zen3 forced them to cut prices. This isn't exactly a new development. Also, when you are selling everything you make, why lower the price, even if you can?

 

[RodroX]

The only reason its not available and not possible to get is because its not released... there are benchmarks because its not like the cpu gets made the day before launch. Benchmarking and tech media can get unrealsed products.

Thank you for the clarification, Im soo dumb, I was born yesterday, and I thought CPUs were designed, made and delivered to media in just a few days.

Really, thank God for your post. I was just about to call my contact at TSMC and cancel my chip allocation for the next years. I was hoping to just stare at the sand and make a cpu pop out of it with the power of my brain.

I wonder whats wrong with some people in this forum lately?

 

[logainofhades]

The only reason its not available and not possible to get is because its not released... there are benchmarks because its not like the cpu gets made the day before launch. Benchmarking and tech media can get unrealsed products.

Yea GN got a hold of an engineering sample, recently.

 

[Why_Me]

Yea GN got a hold of an engineering sample, recently.

The actual retail cpu along with updated bios should bode well for these chips in regards to reviews.

 

[jacob249358]

Thank you for the clarification, Im soo dumb, I was born yesterday, and I thought CPUs were designed, made and delivered to media in just a few days.

Really, thank God for your post. I was just about to call my contact at TSMC and cancel my chip allocation for the next years. I was hoping to just stare at the sand and make a cpu pop out of it with the power of my brain.

I wonder whats wrong with some people in this forum lately?

What are you talking about in your first post then??? You cant make a stupid post and when someone responds to it like your a 5-year old get mad. I was trying to be nice about it cause maybe you were new to pcs or just missed something. I don't get it

 

[COLGeek]

Folks...please take a deep breath....and exhale.

Civility is a must for all. Please keep that in mind while exchanging ideas.

Thank you.

 

[RodroX]

Lol what are you talking about in your first post then??? You cant make a stupid post and when someone responds to it like your a 5-year old get mad. I was trying to be nice about it cause maybe you were new to pcs or just missed something. Would you rather i just roast the hell out of you? I don't get it

Im not new to PC, in fact I have +25 profesional years of experience with them, and about a lot more since I got my first one at the age of 12.

Just because you assume I made a 5 year old post, it does not mean I am one. Thats your problem/missconception, not mine.

And I didn't ask any question in my first post about how the writer got his cpu for testing. If I had a doubt about it I would just ask it, not go around writing other stuff.

For your information in my first post, since you didn't understand my point, Im talking about the +1 and half years of GPU high prices/availability, and the fact that for me theres no point in getting a new CPU, because my current one already extract everything it can from the GPU I have. When you play at 1440p high setting with a RTX 2070 theres not much a CPU upgrade will bring in performance.

For the rest of my post: Did you ever heard about sarcasm and irony?

 

[Paul Alcorn]

Paul, your article is very thorough but some of the testing choices I don't understand:

1. Why is your 12400 stockPL running above the stock MTP power limits. The "Stock" settings have a Tau of 117 seconds. Almost double the 56 seconds that is the actual stock. Doesn't seem very honest calling it stock when its not.
2. In your value discussions, you fail to mention the extra cost of the higher cost motherboard that this 12400 would have to be in.
3. Your comment refering to PCI-E 5.0 lanes working for data storage is incorrect. Only one Asus board currently can do PCI-E 5.0 from m.2.

At the price point of the 12400 and given GPU prices, the 5600G would have been a better comparison, but that would have meant comparing Intel's horrible integrated graphics to AMD's vastly superior onboard graphics...

Thanks for the questions, here goes:

1. Technically you can max out Tau duration and the power limits and still stay in a warrantied 'stock' config. Intel's recommended power limits are just that -- recommendations. That means that both configs without overclocked memory are at 'stock' settings. That said, the StockPL represents MSI's default power settings for the stock air cooler (they believe the stock cooler can handle these settings). However, we don't have the stock cooler...yet. As such, I didn't want to list it as "Stock Air PL" as that would imply we're using the stock cooler when we're not. I'll clear this up in the next few days when I get the stock air cooler and add the results to the charts.
2. B- and H-series boards launch very very soon. As mentioned a few times in the article, this will reduce the cost of entry.
3. PCIe 5.0 lanes work for storage. You can plug a 5.0 SSD (or adaptor) into PEG1 and GPU into another slot. In fact, Intel recently demoed this.

The 5600G is for gaming on integrated graphics, the 12400 isn't. I really like the 5600G (I heap praise in its review), and I understand what you're saying. As I said in the gaming section, it doesn't feel fair to compare it to the 12400. But that's what AMD has. It's a given that the 5600G wins for iGPU gaming, as noted in the first paras of the review.

 

[hotaru251]

its Zen 3-powered Ryzen 5000 series comes in the form of the $259 Ryzen 5 5600G. This APU is the best value on the market if you're looking to game at lower resolutions without a discrete GPU. But aside from gaming on the iGPU, it can't compete with the Core i5-12400 and comes at a far higher price point.

i mean...doesnt that technically still mean ryzen 5600G wins for budget gaming cpu?

as it does so w/o spending hundred+ on a dedicated gpu 🤔

which is point of budget..getting useful w/o spending a lot.

i mean sure, dedicated gpu included, it would win but given current price of even the low end gpu...thats not really budget territory currently.
12th gen is finally a good choice vs amd's ryzen and thats good (i mean i hope for them it can age like their last architecture did as they seriously did wondering milking that one for as long as they did) but this post really doesnt seem.... "budget"....to me.



no "budget" cpu is gonna be paired with a 3090.

Like the 5600x is great but $300?? I'll take a few percent less performance and save $100 with the 11400f.

depends on what you need.
theres always reason to spend more even if it seems small.

just as there are reasons to not.
All depends on your benefit from it.

if you do job related work on rig the small boost over tiem does add up and thus valid reason to spend more.

Intel did for years, until Zen3 forced them to cut prices.

was it zen3? thought it was mid/late Zen2 that started Intel price lowering? (at least on the non top end side)



my only concern long term is if they need security patches...as we have seen intel's fixes tend to be much mroe costly than amd's fixes performance wise (but thats not soemthing we can tell until happens)

 

[jacob249358]

Im not new to PC, in fact I have +25 profesional years of experience with them, and about a lot more since I got my first one at the age of 12.

Just because you assume I made a 5 year old post, it does not mean I am one. Thats your problem/missconception, not mine.

And I didn't ask any question in my first post about how the writer got his cpu for testing. If I had a doubt about it I would just ask it, not go around writing other stuff.

For your information in my first post, since you didn't understand my point, Im talking about the +1 and half years of GPU high prices/availability, and the fact that for me theres no point in getting a new CPU, because my current one already extract everything it can from the GPU I have. When you play at 1440p high setting with a RTX 2070 theres not much a CPU upgrade will bring in performance.

For the rest of my post: Did you ever heard about sarcasm and irony?

1. Didn't say you were new to PC I just said you could've been
2. Its not a misconception you literally said this "Great, we go from the not available/imposible to get GPUs at a decent price, to the not available and impossible to get, and yet not launched CPUs benchmark." basically complaining that an unlaunched product isn't available which makes no sense.
3. I understood your point about how people don't need a better CPU if they cant get a GPU, hence I didn't talk about that part.
4. Yes i know what sarcasm and irony are I'm 15. I'm fluent in that stuff

I don't know what you meant by the quote I talked about in #2 and you clearly don't need anyone to clarify something for you seeing you are very experienced. I just thought you could be new to this or missed something so I responded by explaining it. There was no need for you to flip out and be sarcastic and imply there is something wrong with me. Pretty insensitive but whatever

 

[Zerk2012]

Wait you can post builds on here? Anyway it seems like amd has a marketing premium and it kinda reminds me of rog how they make it sound so incredible and make it more expensive.

ROG, Gaming, Max, Ultra, all good ones.

 

[jacob249358]

ROG, Gaming, Max, Ultra, all good ones.

Slap ultra gaming performance on a random piece of something and its automatically double the price. Although I think rog is ok because its like a standard or a brand. kinda like supreme but not insane. Your not just paying for the product but also the fact is says rog on it. Also rog stuff always looks sick

 

[RodroX]

1. Didn't say you were new to PC I just said you could've been
2. Its not a misconception you literally said this "Great, we go from the not available/imposible to get GPUs at a decent price, to the not available and impossible to get, and yet not launched CPUs benchmark." basically complaining that an unlaunched product isn't available which makes no sense.
3. I understood your point about how people don't need a better CPU if they cant get a GPU, hence I didn't talk about that part.
4. Yes i know what sarcasm and irony are I'm 15. I'm fluent in that stuff

I don't know what you meant by the quote I talked about in #2 and you clearly don't need anyone to clarify something for you seeing you are very experienced. I just thought you could be new to this or missed something so I responded by explaining it. There was no need for you to flip out and be sarcastic and imply there is something wrong with me. Pretty insensitive but whatever

Whatever indeed.

Next time please, let me write my 5 year old stuff (according to you), and if you don't see a question there, don't try to give me an answer.

 

[drewthebrave]

Like the 5600x is great but $300?? I'll take a few percent less performance and save $100 with the 11400f.

I agree - price is always a significant factor for me and that's why I snagged an i7-10700k when it popped up at Micro Center for $150. I had spent the previous year planning a build around a Ryzen 5600X, but held off because I didn't want to build until I had a new GPU. I'm glad I waited, because I saved $150 by going with the 10th gen Intel -- and the 10700k runs everything like a champ!

With that being said, I'm really impressed with the performance per dollar that Intel's 12th gen CPUs offer right now (not to mention the value pricing for 11th gen chips when they hit clearance). Hopefully Intel's aggressive strategy pushes AMD to be a bit more competitive on price going forward.

 

[jacob249358]

Whatever indeed.

Next time please, let me write my 5 year old stuff (according to you), and if you don't see a question there, don't try to give me an answer.

This forum isn't just for answering questions. It's for discussion, debating, and disagreeing respectfully, and teaching.

 

[jacob249358]

I agree - price is always a significant factor for me and that's why I snagged an i7-10700k when it popped up at Micro Center for $150. I had spent the previous year planning a build around a Ryzen 5600X, but held off because I didn't want to build until I had a new GPU. I'm glad I waited, because I saved $150 by going with the 10th gen Intel -- and the 10700k runs everything like a champ!

With that being said, I'm really impressed with the performance per dollar that Intel's 12th gen CPUs offer right now (not to mention the value pricing for 11th gen chips when they hit clearance). Hopefully Intel's aggressive strategy pushes AMD to be a bit more competitive on price going forward.

I think that was micro centers best deal of the year. $150 for a mid/high tier cpu and I think you get 20% of a motherboard as well. man, I wish I had one near me.

 

[Zerk2012]

Folks...please take a deep breath....and exhale.

Civility is a must for all. Please keep that in mind while exchanging ideas.

Thank you.

You know these always end up like this they should make them read only (no post)

Whoever is on top say take that boys whoever it shows loosing says but, but ,but.
It is true that some people use more tact in their post but still really saying the same thing.

In reality it don't even matter to me I buy Intel others buy AMD even if one of us looses a bit of performance does it really matter? No.

 

[Zerk2012]

Slap ultra gaming performance on a random piece of something and its automatically double the price. Although I think rog is ok because its like a standard or a brand. kinda like supreme but not insane. Your not just paying for the product but also the fact is says rog on it. Also rog stuff always looks sick

It's still just a marketing ploy Asus started going down hill about 10 years ago and now mostly sell inferior products at a higher price for the quality they offer just because of their one time good name.

 

[RodroX]

This forum isn't just for answering questions. It's for discussion, debating, and disagreeing respectfully, and teaching.

Ok, you are one of those that needs to have the last word on everything. Thats fine, my mother is like that.

Thats it for me, Im out of this thread.

Have a nice day, or night, no idea what time is there now.

 

[Phaaze88]

Your move, AMD...
Oh right, there's that 3D cache thing that's supposed to be coming soon...

Although I think rog is ok because its like a standard or a brand. kinda like supreme but not insane. Your not just paying for the product but also the fact is says rog on it. Also rog stuff always looks sick

I like Asus' motherboards because of their user-friendly UI compared to other brands, but the gaming stuff tacked on products is an eye sore. I like their Prime series - well, the ones that aren't half naked.
TUF was fine, but then they added Gaming to it... why? Not everyone identifies with gaming, maybe split up the product lines a little better?
Also odd is the HEDT/workstation hardware with Gaming monkers on them. Strix Gaming, Gaming Pro Carbon, Aorus Gaming, and Pro Gaming on X-series boards? Wut. Ok, maybe you play games on the side, but still...

You know these always end up like this they should make them read only (no post)

Whoever is on top say take that boys whoever it shows loosing says but, but ,but.
It is true that some people use more tact in their post but still really saying the same thing.

In reality it don't even matter to me I buy Intel others buy AMD even if one of us looses a bit of performance does it really matter? No.

That's why the back and forth fanboying is a yawnfest... but they probably get along just fine at bars/clubs when they're not arguing back and forth on forums.

 

[PCWarrior]

When you are on top, you can charge more. Intel did for years, until Zen3 forced them to cut prices. This isn't exactly a new development. Also, when you are selling everything you make, why lower the price, even if you can?

Yeah, but when Intel was on top and charged whatever they wanted, people accused Intel for being greedy and not offering as good performance per dollar. All while praising AMD as our lord and saviour that came to save us from greedy Intel. Remember? But when AMD got on top and charged more and offered worse performance per dollar the tune became “Oh well, that’s natural when you are on top you can charge whatever you can get away with. Intel did that for years”. No accusations about AMD's greed, etc. To me that sounds like double standard. Besides AMD is no longer on top anyway. Definitely not in this market segment by a long shot. To me is obvious that AMD cannot drop prices to compete and/or are unwilling to do so - they have rather shifted their TSMC capacity-limited production to the more profitable skus (epyc, gpus). As a corporate move, a wise one.

 

[Zerk2012]

Your move, AMD...
Oh right, there's that 3D cache thing that's supposed to be coming soon...



I like Asus' motherboards because of their user-friendly UI compared to other brands, but the gaming stuff tacked on products is an eye sore. I like their Prime series - well, the ones that aren't half naked.
TUF was fine, but then they added Gaming to it... why? Not everyone identifies with gaming, maybe split up the product lines a little better?
Also odd is the HEDT/workstation hardware with Gaming monkers on them. Strix Gaming, Gaming Pro Carbon, Aorus Gaming, and Pro Gaming on X-series boards? Wut. Ok, maybe you play games on the side, but still...



That's why the back and forth fanboying is a yawnfest... but they probably get along just fine at bars/clubs when they're not arguing back and forth on forums.

I haven't bought a Asus product for my personal use ever. You can polish a turd and dress it up but you still have a turd. In the last 10 years or so you can buy a board that uses better or the same quality of parts for the same money or less. The UI has nothing to do with it it comes down to knowing how to use what you have.

For Intel VS AMD really you can go back to the AMD Phenom days these were good processors at a good price almost on par with the Intel offerings at the time. AMD only really dropped the ball in the FX days but yet people were still buying them even though they were just bad.

EDIT just my opinion and you know what that is worth really nothing.

 

[Stardude82]

I look forward the AMD CPU price slashing. Or at least a new decent sub-$200 all around gamer chip.

I still get the feeling that H660 boards will be close to the launch prices of budget Z590 boards getting us exactly nowhere.