News Intel Core i5-12600K vs Ryzen 5 5600X and 5800X Face Off: Ryzen Has Fallen

[VforV]

I wouldn't trust those two clowns on Hardware Unboxed to cook my toast if my life depended on it.

Funny how the mirror works, you should look into it...

HUB and GN are some of the best and most trustworthy tech tubers, most of everyone else are the clowns, actually - including written so called tech press.

But we live in the age when white is black and black is white, good is now bad and vice-versa. The brainwashing and mindless fanboism and zombie consumerism are the new worshiped ideologies, that's how a lot of people act like simpletons.

 

[svan71]

So Intel's latest ekes out AMD'S current with a huge power penalty. Did Intel write that headline ?

 

[barryv88]

Ryzen has "fallen" they say. A quick glance at the actual world reveals that the DIY sector still massive prefer Zen, current and old. It's kinda weird how the human race has now grown this hunger to over exaggerate on pretty much everything. Like the virus which is called a "pandemic" while in reality, there's been no change to the world's population.

Amazon's top 10 CPU list doesn't even have one single Intel product listed. That bad still. As it's been actually for a long time now.
Some thoughts: Imagine the TDP if Alder Lake had a full core design like previous archs. Mobo sockets would melt right off. Flagships would draw a max of what - 350-400W? Doesn't look like 10nm is all the glory its supposed to be.
The e-core move remains controversial. The special OS treatment and scheduling complicates the design. As GN stated, AL is weird. And Ryzen is far from slain.

 

[Oldcompsci]

Psssst ... Somebody let Tom's Hardware know that upgrades in CPU performance mean next to nothing while graphics card prices and availability are near "unobtanium" levels ... in fact, it's comical that the availability of silicon for motherboards and CPU's has been virtually unaffected yet GPU silicon is no where to be found.

 

[escksu]

5600x is unable to compete with 12600K......

 

[escksu]

Ryzen has "fallen" they say. A quick glance at the actual world reveals that the DIY sector still massive prefer Zen, current and old. It's kinda weird how the human race has now grown this hunger to over exaggerate on pretty much everything. Like the virus which is called a "pandemic" while in reality, there's been no change to the world's population.

Amazon's top 10 CPU list doesn't even have one single Intel product listed. That bad still. As it's been actually for a long time now.
Some thoughts: Imagine the TDP if Alder Lake had a full core design like previous archs. Mobo sockets would melt right off. Flagships would draw a max of what - 350-400W? Doesn't look like 10nm is all the glory its supposed to be.
The e-core move remains controversial. The special OS treatment and scheduling complicates the design. As GN stated, AL is weird. And Ryzen is far from slain.

Thats right now.... because alderlake is out for barely a week. Board and RAMs are lacking right now, DDR5 is literally non-existence. Need to give it at least 1-2 months. Also only Z690 chipset is available. Right now, some boards cost even more than CPU....lol

 

[Why_Me]

Thats right now.... because alderlake is out for barely a week. Board and RAMs are lacking right now, DDR5 is literally non-existence. Need to give it at least 1-2 months. Also only Z690 chipset is available. Right now, some boards cost even more than CPU....lol

Plenty of Z690 DDR4 boards available in the $200 range.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

$220 starting on pcpp right now.

Hopefully b and h series come in at better prices, although they won't have all the same feature set.

 

[dranicus]

This is another article with pointing out features that do not matter. Intel platform still expensive so you may pay a little less for the cpu (just maybe) buying DDR5 and the motherboard and a cooling solution takes you well over. Paul you should point these things out and also windows 11 is not mainstream yet, so why even make that a point at all?

 

[Why_Me]

This is another article with pointing out features that do not matter. Intel platform still expensive so you may pay a little less for the cpu (just maybe) buying DDR5 and the motherboard and a cooling solution takes you well over. Paul you should point these things out and also windows 11 is not mainstream yet, so why even make that a point at all?

Nobody is being forced to purchase DDR5.

 

[Why_Me]

$220 starting on pcpp right now.

Hopefully b and h series come in at better prices, although they won't have all the same feature set.

More Z690 boards such as these ones in the links should be available within the next few weeks.

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-ud-ddr4/p/N82E16813145349

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162039

 

[The_King]

You linked the wrong page...
They use a 3080, not even ti, of course there is no headroom.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-12600k-alder-lake-12th-gen/4.html

Ok then, so if you buying a 12600K you need something faster than a RTX 3080 to get the best out of the CPU.
Additional cost to consider when buying ADL 12600K considering high GPU prices?

So people who have a 3080 and below should not bother getting a 12600K because there is no headroom.

I'm sure many will avoid the 12600K now based on that for gaming since GTX 1060 is still the most popular CPU on steam.
Less than 1% own 3080 Tis(0.30%) or 3090s(0.43%)

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam



@Why_Me The chart is showing Stock 12600K vs 12600K OC vs stock 5800X. So an Oc'd 12600K only matches a Stock 5800X
Do tell ... what exactly??? @ Stock the 5800X is 3.6% faster than the 12600K in CPU test.

Do tell ...

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-12600k-alder-lake-12th-gen/16.html

 

[escksu]

In my humble opinion the article is missleading.
First of Windows 11 don't like ryzen very much even after al those patches.
12600k is 10core cpu and delivers around 10% more performance in games with close to double power consumption compared to 5600x and also in my country 30eu more expensive than ryzen plus a way more expensive motherboard.
I fail to see Intel as a winner here tbh , don't get me wront intel has a new core design that is powerfull
but it's expensive and power consumption still sucks

IT doesn't matter. You can OC 5600x to the max it still cannot match 12600K's performance.

Btw, games don't scale with number of cores. Thts why a 16 core 5950x is not 2x faster than 8 core 5700x......

 

[escksu]

Ok then, so if you buying a 12600K you need something faster than a RTX 3080 to get the best out of the CPU.
Additional cost to consider when buying ADL 12600K considering high GPU prices?

So people who have a 3080 and below should not bother getting a 12600K because there is no headroom.

I'm sure many will avoid the 12600K now based on that for gaming since GTX 1060 is still the most popular CPU on steam.
Less than 1% own 3080 Tis(0.30%) or 3090s(0.43%)

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam



@Why_Me The chart is showing Stock 12600K vs 12600K OC vs stock 5800X. So an Oc'd 12600K only matches a Stock 5800X
Do tell ... what exactly??? @ Stock the 5800X is 3.6% faster than the 12600K in CPU test.

Its know that games don't scale very well with CPUs.....For those who owns 10600/11600/5600x, there isn't a need to upgrade. They are better off changing their GPUs. ITs more for those who asre on 2600/3600 CPU. or 6600/7600. Even 8600/9600K also dont need.

 

[escksu]

More Z690 boards such as these ones in the links should be available within the next few weeks.

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-ud-ddr4/p/N82E16813145349

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162039

The price is the main issue now..... Most boards cost more than 12600K itself.

 

[The_King]

Its know that games don't scale very well with CPUs.....For those who owns 10600/11600/5600x, there isn't a need to upgrade. They are better off changing their GPUs. ITs more for those who asre on 2600/3600 CPU. or 6600/7600. Even 8600/9600K also dont need.

Those that are still on the older platforms are there because of a lack of funds. "Usually"

Childish arguments aside which this thread is filled with,
I think for sure buying the 12600K for +/-300USD is well worth it since Intel is not one to make a faster product and sell it for less.
They are forced to do so because of the strong competition by AMD with ZEN over the years. The 5600X is the reason you can
buy a 12600K for 300USD. So show it the respect it deserves.

IF by the time they bring out cheaper motherboards we don't see a higher price due to demand. (12600Ks are selling out very fast.)
Demand will push price higher at some point. Which is what happened to the AMD 5000 series prices.

So if you can afford it, buy it while the CPU prices are still low. This may not last until the cheaper boards come out.

 

[DonQuixoteIII]

The journalistic integrity at Tom's Hardware has sunk to a new low.

 

[cryoburner]

We are discussing this article and these are the prices that are listed in it.
Now if there are retailers that need to get rid of old stock that is a different matter all together, right now on pcpartpicker there are 4 retailers that are below 400 and 3 that are at or even above msrp.
Just because some people can get it cheap doesn't mean that that is the going price.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qtvqqs/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-38-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000063wof

The cheap price is the going price. No one is going to go on PCPartpicker and make the decision to pay upward of $65 more for their processor to get it from one of those other retailers. Newegg, Amazon and Walmart are three most popular online stores there, and they all currently list the 5800X for $384, and B&H's pricing is within a few dollars of that.

Adorama is a camera company, whose main business isn't even PC hardware, so no one is going out of their way to buy a CPU there. MemoryC is a company specializing in storage components, and is a European business that as far as I can tell only recently expanded into the US. Again, no US shoppers are likely to buy there unless they happen to have the best price for a component. Best buy is the only really "recognizable" US store currently selling the 5800X for its original MSRP there, but they're better known for their brick and mortar stores than their online presence, and they have never really struck me as having particularly good prices compared to the competition. So, $384 is the current going price online in the US, as that's what the vast majority of US Shoppers will be buying this hardware for at the moment. MicroCenter is even selling the 5800X for $330 in-store, just $30 more than the 12600K, though without many locations, their prices won't be relevant to most. But it could be indicative of where 5800X pricing might be headed soon.

I do feel the 12600K is priced reasonably well relative to the competition, and that the Ryzen 5000 series wasn't all that attractively priced at launch, and could still be priced better, but platform costs included, the pricing of the two currently ends up fairly similar for a similar level of performance. The price-to-performance situation will likely improve on Intel's side as more parts are launched in the coming months, but we will likely see improvements from AMD soon as well, both in the form of reduced prices on existing parts, and new models early in the coming year.

Psssst ... Somebody let Tom's Hardware know that upgrades in CPU performance mean next to nothing while graphics card prices and availability are near "unobtanium" levels ... in fact, it's comical that the availability of silicon for motherboards and CPU's has been virtually unaffected yet GPU silicon is no where to be found.

The main thing affecting graphics card pricing and availability has been cryptocurrency miners, just as it was a few years back during the last crypto rush. Though this time the effects are a bit worse and could potentially last somewhat longer due in part to the more limited supply constraints.

As for CPUs, Intel manufactures theirs at their own fabs, so they shouldn't need to compete with others for manufacturing capacity. And for AMD, the 7nm chiplets they use for most of their current desktop processors are quite tiny compared to what's used in a graphics card, and they are likely making significantly more profit-per-wafer off their CPUs than their graphics hardware. However, there are signs of shortages even there, namely in the complete lack of current-generation AMD CPUs below the $300 price point for the last year. AMD has also needed to fulfill contracts for console chips built on the same process, and those are combined CPU/GPUs, roughly comparable in size to the graphics chip in a 6700XT (The Series X being a little bigger and the PS5 a little smaller) and on average several times the size of the 7nm chiplet used in a 5800XT. It's estimated that more than 20 million current-gen consoles have been sold to date, so that's a lot of 7nm production going toward console hardware.

 

[watzupken]

From a performance standpoint, there is no doubt the i5 12600 is going to beat a Ryzen 5 5600X in most cases. Which also makes the entire Ryzen stack too expensive right. But to say that AMD has fallen, I disagree. Zen 3 is still very competitive, if the price is right. On paper, Alder Lake chip sounds cheap, but in actual fact, you can go to Newegg and do a calculation of the total cost involved by moving to ADL. This is especially so if you are considering going for DDR5 to maximise the potential of the setup. And as you may have observed, ADL is not selling that well for a very interesting CPU from Intel. Even I was contemplating to try it out, but the lack of ITX board, cooler, and DDR5 memory is a show stopper for me. To add on to the list, the need to use Windows 11 is another hurdle for me since it is really buggy. Windows 11 is recommended by Intel and also tested to allow the CPU to perform at its best.

 

[darknate]

Because the 12600k is a 6 ( +4) core and beats the 12 core 5800x...
you are not supposed to compare it with the 5600x since it beats the next higher tier in everything gaming as well as productivity and only has about a 10% higher power draw than the 5800x as well.
It has the same price as the 5600x but beats the 5800x that is $150 more expensive.

The competition for the 5600x will probably be the 12400.

5800x is an 8 core, 5900x is a 12 core. the next level up from the 5600x is the 5800x.
with ddr4 it's closer to 12% more power draw. with ddr5, it's around 28%.

 

[watzupken]

Plenty of Z690 DDR4 boards available in the $200 range.

You need to be mindful that most reviews out there are using DDR5, and not DDR4. So by opting for DDR4 to pair with ADL, you may not be getting the max potential or performance you see in reviews. Not to mention that you cannot upgrade to DDR5 in the future without needing to change the entire board.

 

[ottonis]

At the current price (279 USD) the 12600k is indeed a steal for gamers and for some lighter creative workloads (e.g. some light video editing or using a DAW).

Does anybody know whether or not and if yes, how far the video-encoding/decoding engines have been improved over TigerLake? Would QSV-accelearted encoding be considerably faster (or of better quality) than what it used to be in 11 gen. processors?

 

[VforV]

Its know that games don't scale very well with CPUs.....For those who owns 10600/11600/5600x, there isn't a need to upgrade. They are better off changing their GPUs. ITs more for those who asre on 2600/3600 CPU. or 6600/7600. Even 8600/9600K also dont need.

Alder Lake is for hardcore intel fanbois or enthusiasts with more money than sense that can afford a 2nd or 3rd PC (and already have a powerful Zen 3 system), so they will just build a new intel one, alongside the AMD one they already have, because they can.

Everyone else, from conscious price/perf buyers to already owners on Zen and AM4, Alder Lake is a hard pass and not that impressive.

I went on a B450 MB from Ryzen 2600 to 3600 and now to 5600x (at discount 240 euro with VAT included and after I sell my 3600, the upgrade will equal about 80 euros/100 $) - now that's a good deal.

The only good thing I have to say about Alder Lake is "thanks" for making Zen 3 cheaper. 😀

A year from now, I'll also be able to buy Zen 3D at discount after Zen4 comes and still use the same AM4 B450 motherboard... intel users can't even dream of an upgrade path like that.

So why should I want to be a beta tester of new, unpolished, unproven, buggy tech (like Alder Lake) when I can get this stability and upgrade path from AMD's Zen? For the up to 5% (maybe) more performance?

That way of thinking is silly and hilarious to me.

 

[Why_Me]

Alder Lake is for hardcore intel fanbois or enthusiasts with more money than sense that can afford a 2nd or 3rd PC (and already have a powerful Zen 3 system), so they will just build a new intel one, alongside the AMD one they already have, because they can.

Everyone else, from conscious price/perf buyers to already owners on Zen and AM4, Alder Lake is a hard pass and not that impressive.

I went on a B450 MB from Ryzen 2600 to 3600 and now to 5600x (at discount 240 euro with VAT included and after I sell my 3600, the upgrade will equal about 80 euros/100 $) - now that's a good deal.

The only good thing I have to say about Alder Lake is "thanks" for making Zen 3 cheaper. 😀

A year from now, I'll also be able to buy Zen 3D at discount after Zen4 comes and still use the same AM4 B450 motherboard... intel users can't even dream of an upgrade path like that.

So why should I want to be a beta tester of new, unpolished, unproven, buggy tech (like Alder Lake) when I can get this stability and upgrade path from AMD's Zen? For the up to 5% (maybe) more performance?

That way of thinking is silly and hilarious to me.

I must have missed it. When did AMD lower their prices on Ryzen cpu's? I know the 3600 is still a hose job even after the release of the 10400F and 11400F. I guess that's what happens when you don't own your own foundries.

 

[Why_Me]

You need to be mindful that most reviews out there are using DDR5, and not DDR4. So by opting for DDR4 to pair with ADL, you may not be getting the max potential or performance you see in reviews. Not to mention that you cannot upgrade to DDR5 in the future without needing to change the entire board.

There are several reviews with benchmarks on Alder Lake with DDR5 and DDR4. The differences between the two are slim at best. Next question is how many years from now until DDR5 becomes mainstream.