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The three-way test is not very realistic as it does not take into account annual running costs. The kw/h consumption rates for a nominal number of hours per week could throw the price differentials right out of the window.
 
octavecode said:
In my humble opinion the article is missleading.
First of Windows 11 don't like ryzen very much even after al those patches.
12600k is 10core cpu and delivers around 10% more performance in games with close to double power consumption compared to 5600x and also in my country 30eu more expensive than ryzen plus a way more expensive motherboard.
I fail to see Intel as a winner here tbh , don't get me wront intel has a new core design that is powerfull
but it's expensive and power consumption still sucks
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Apart of that they have one year of difference since was released.
 
The 12600K with a DDR4 motherboard is clearly the sweet spot in price / performance right now. That said, there are a couple of caveats.

Only the full size ATX boards are available at the $200ish price point. mATX is nowhere to be found right now and available ITX boards are quite expensive, in the $350-$400 range.

So, this is a good option if you're doing full size ATX since presumably such a user can use the extra connectivity of a Z690.

But for a pure budget build and doing ITX/mATX, 11600K (which is around $199 now and matches 5600X) is a pretty clear winner. You'll save about $100 vs 5600X which can be used for better SSD, more SSD storage, better RAM, or some combination - and nothing meaningful sacrificed in performance vs 5600X.

Unfortunately, $100 doesn't do much of anything with GPUs these days.
 
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Just a couple things to keep in mind.

Have you noticed any of those videos that Tom's Hardware has, like when you see a CPU review? What does that advise on purchasing a CPU video say? First, it says you can't go wrong buying a current generation CPU from either AMD or Intel. Next, it notes that if you need more performance to step up to the next tier/level, say from an i5 to an i7 or from a Ryzen 5 to a Ryzen 7 - and not to overclock. I think I have been saying for more than a year now that TH needs to follow their own video advice and stop mentioning overclocking unless they are dealing with the Ryzen 9/i9 CPUs, and even then AMD wins because you don't have to purchase the ##00X CPU to unlock overclocking as you do with the Until [#]##00K CPUs - it needs that K on the end to unlock overclocking while all AMD CPUs are unlocked, not just the X models.

Maybe replace the category of overclocking with upgradability. Wait, we can't do that, as AMD has a long history of supporting more than one generation on one socket - most recently AM4 (Zen, Zen + {think Zen 1.5}, Zen 2, Zen 3, and Zen 3+ {the 3D cache versions that will be in the market soon}), while Until will have two, at most three, generations on one socket. Me, I plan on replacing my Ryzen 5 2600 with a Ryzen 9 5950X, keeping my motherboard and everything else the same, and skip another generation or two, let things settle down some, and then see what I am going to build (most likely AMD and their AM5 socket or equivalent).

I will most likely replace my GTX 1070 GPU with a RTX 2080, Ryzen 5700xt, or something better as I upgrade my CPU. I am only running a 32" curved monitor, running at 144 Hz, so I don't need the latest and greatest GPU, yet I do need something better to take full advantage of my current monitor.

In the future I am looking at an AMD Ryzen 9 Zen 5 or Until i9 14th gen CPU, along with the latest and greatest GPU to power a VR headset and a good sized monitor(s).

It is nice to see Until is back in the game, yet at what cost? Price, cooling, motherboard, memory, power supply, windoze 11, just to name a few things that come to mind. What is the true cost?

The latest GPUs can NOT take full advantage of PCIe 4, and it has been out a few years now. And even if the GPUs did take full advantage you are still stuck with games using DirectX, which has not scaled well with CPUs and their cores/threads over the years, while DirectX 12 is doing a better job, it still is not fully utilizing the CPU or it's abilities.
 
r7litepro said:
more like toms hardware has fallen, comparing a 65w cpu to a 150w cpu? so stupid
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The title should read Intel finally humbled or brought to their knees. Sells new CPUs cheaper than AMD

Since they always priced there offerings higher to say AMD products are inferior compared to theirs

AMD Ryzen has not fallen its Intel who have fallen.
 
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ottonis said:
At the current price (279 USD) the 12600k is indeed a steal for gamers and for some lighter creative workloads (e.g. some light video editing or using a DAW).
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Not once you factor in the cost of the motherboard and ram. With AMD, the AM4 socket went between 3 and 4 generations of CPUs.

Now, if Intel followed AMD's strategy of getting multiple generations on a series of boards, I'd agree.
 
SSGBryan said:
If you are buying Alderlake - you are buying a new MB - is the extra cost of the MB worth the minimal performance gains?
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As demonstrated in another thread here, the cost of a 5800x rig and a 12600k rig is almost identical. So just let your inner fanboy pick which one you want. It's sad how much the AMD crowd has to lie to themselves to try and give AMD some sort or advantage.
 
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If you are buying Alderlake - you are buying a new MB - is the extra cost of the MB worth the minimal performance gains?
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If you have a mobo for a 1800x is it worth it sticking in a 5900x instead of buying a decent mobo that will be able to handle it properly? That is if this even works with even some boards...
Upgrade from an old enough system and you have to use a new mobo anyway, even if it supports the newest CPU in theory.

If you don't want to pay for a z board and the new features wait a bit for cheaper mobos.
 
spongiemaster said:
As demonstrated in another thread here, the cost of a 5800x rig and a 12600k rig is almost identical. So just let your inner fanboy pick which one you want. It's sad how much the AMD crowd has to lie to themselves to try and give AMD some sort or advantage.
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If you already own a computer, then the costs are not the same. Your premise is that everyone is starting from scratch - that isn't the case for most folks.

If you are on an AM4 platform, it isn't cost-effective to jump to Intel. If you are on Intel, you have to factor in the cost of a new MB and ram, as well as the CPU.

I have a Ryzen system. To move to alderlake, I would have to buy a CPU, a MB, and ram.

Or I can just drop in a Ryzen 5900x or 5950x. Gaming isn't a priority for me (3d art is).

A computer is a tool, nothing more.
 
SSGBryan said:
If you already own a computer, then the costs are not the same. Your premise is that everyone is starting from scratch - that isn't the case for most folks.

If you are on an AM4 platform, it isn't cost-effective to jump to Intel. If you are on Intel, you have to factor in the cost of a new MB and ram, as well as the CPU.

I have a Ryzen system. To move to alderlake, I would have to buy a CPU, a MB, and ram.

Or I can just drop in a Ryzen 5900x or 5950x. Gaming isn't a priority for me (3d art is).

A computer is a tool, nothing more.
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Says who?
 
Why_Me said:
I must have missed it. When did AMD lower their prices on Ryzen cpu's? I know the 3600 is still a hose job even after the release of the 10400F and 11400F. I guess that's what happens when you don't own your own foundries.
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You did miss it, it's happening randomly in places across the globe at different stores, but it's not an official price cut from AMD across the board... not YET (as far as I know).

Expect this to be the norm and to have more price cuts from now on.

Like I said, it's the only positive for me from Alder Lake, the Zen3 price cuts, which are already here and will be even more going forward... so the price / perf question will be even more valid.
 
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NightHawkRMX said:
There isn't any extra cost to a ddr5 board right now. On pcpp the cheapest ddr4 and ddr5 boards are both a whopping $220. Absurd.
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Yeah, then add the extra cost of the DDR5 itself and the extra cost of the big boy cooler you need, especially for the higher SKUs.... that's a lot of extra. Absurd indeed.
 
SSGBryan said:
If you already own a computer, then the costs are not the same. Your premise is that everyone is starting from scratch - that isn't the case for most folks.

If you are on an AM4 platform, it isn't cost-effective to jump to Intel. If you are on Intel, you have to factor in the cost of a new MB and ram, as well as the CPU.

I have a Ryzen system. To move to alderlake, I would have to buy a CPU, a MB, and ram.

Or I can just drop in a Ryzen 5900x or 5950x. Gaming isn't a priority for me (3d art is).

A computer is a tool, nothing more.
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Buy a DDR4 Alder lake board, no need to buy ram. There are a few choices, out there, for them. https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=152&L=4&sort=price&page=1
Also it depends on which AM4 board you have. If you have an old 300 series board, a 5900x/5950x most likely will not work, as it is not officially supported. 400 series boards are better, but bios updates to support Zen 3 are not exactly perfect. If you have a 500 series board, then definitely go and buy a 5900x, or 5950x. It would be silly not to. I went from a 3700x, to a 5800x, myself awhile back, so I am content with what I have. If I had still been using the 6700k, that I had prior to my 3700x, obviously I would go Alder Lake. I get what is best price/performance, at the time of upgrade. No brand loyalty here.

VforV said:
Yeah, then add the extra cost of the DDR5 itself and the extra cost of the big boy cooler you need, especially for the higher SKUs.... that's a lot of extra. Absurd indeed.
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You don't need to buy DDR5, and you want a beefy cooler, for a 5900x, or 5950x, so your argument is invalid. I wouldn't run less than an a 280mm AIO, or a Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro4, on either of them.
 
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The_King said:
The title should read Intel finally humbled or brought to their knees. Sells new CPUs cheaper than AMD

Since they always priced there offerings higher to say AMD products are inferior compared to theirs

AMD Ryzen has not fallen its Intel who have fallen.
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Tier prices for Alder Lake went up from previous generation Rocket Lake. So, not really sure what you are talking about here.
 
spongiemaster said:
How does owning any computer that doesn't have a 5 series AM4 chipset, or maybe 4 series if you're lucky, make either the AMD or Intel option cheaper? Obviously the rest of us are talking about building a new system from scratch, as that is most of the market.
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No, the vast majority of the market already has a PC, but most of the market definitely does not have an AM4 platform to take advantage of their upgrade pathways. There are generally 3 camps of people.
  1. You have a 3-4+ year old PC and are looking to get a new PC or make a small upgrade to the current one to make it last longer. (vast majority)
  2. You have a laptop or no desktop PC and are in the market for a new one.
  3. You have a relatively modern 2 years old or newer PC and want to upgrade even though you probably don't need to, but rather just want new tech.
 
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