Intel is Stepping on the Gas for Atom CPU Plans

[tearsana]

I find it funny that eeryone keeps mentioning AMD and comparing Intel to them when Intel is hugely outclassed by ARM chips in this market.

 

[scazbala86]

[citation][nom]11796pcs[/nom]For what the Atom is meant for, it does it's job VERY well. Of course it's not fast- it's designed that way. It's meant for web browsing and that's what is does well. All of you even bringing up gaming need to leave. They're meant to be low heat and low power consumption. The fact that they can run with passive cooling is awesome.[/citation]

Thats just it, they weren't designed to do everything people want to do on their netbooks and tablets. People want a multimedia rich experience, and the Atom just can't deliver that, that is unless you pair it with an Ion GPU, but even then AMD's Brazos platform destroys that combination. Unless these new chips are designed with that type of workload in mind, they will have trouble competing in the netbook and tablet markets.

 

[scazbala86]

[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]Typical AMD funboy...AMD is done. They will never compete in the high end CPU market ever again.[/citation]

Typical Intel fanboy, saying AMD is done. 😛

 

[The_Prophecy]

Before this gets out of hand...

 

[Guest]

Those who are bashing AMD need to realize that when software programmers take advantage of writing programs for the SP's that will be available in the Llano processors then it will be a wrap for Intel. This is not some fanboy talk. Just realize that a GPU is far more powerful than a CPU is. AMD is betting on this fact to keep them ahead of the game. Hopefully, programmers will learn to stop whining and being lazy and actually start using those SP's. Keep in mind too that the hardware will be known hardware like what you find in gaming consoles so it is only a matter of time for the use of those SP's to become mainstream for just about any software that can benefit from those SP's. Essentially the APU's are supercomputers on a chip!

 

[fir_ser]

Intel is taking these drastic measures to catch up with ARM, moreover AMD’s Fusion just made things worse for Atom.

 

[Kamab]

[citation][nom]Blessedman[/nom]Intel > AMD on pure performance per watt on all CPU frontsAMD > Intel on pure performance per watt on all GPU frontsIntel > ALL on pure manufacturing process... So Intel pushing for a piece of the ultra portable market makes perfect sense. This also explain Intel's very large "investment" in Nvidia.[/citation]

Intel is the industry driving force for microfab research/development. I'm not sure about performance per watt or performance per watt per dollar because it depends on what processors/ gpu's your comparing.

 

[middels8088]

Lets get this right...

AMD wins in producing cheap solutions and better graphics....
Intel wins in producing strong cpu firepower in a very low voltage.

But Intel will win forever because they have a friggin large fanbase compared to AMD, and nothing will change this fact until AMD attacks like a wild dog in the OEM front.

 

[Nintendork]

Wich Fusion Llano is aimed for. Look at all of those Sub 500 OEM, all of them with dual cores intel C2D IGP/HD2000, amd HD4200 or Nvidia 6150SE outdated graphics.

Low end Llano provide a 160SP gpu (vs 40SP in HD4200, twice the power of the most expensive SB HD3000 found in costly models). All of this in a sub $80 dual core cpu. For bit more 320SP and 400SP+quad core for $500-700 desktops.

60%+ increase if added an AMD radeon (IGP + GPU crossfire). No intel setup can compete with that at the same price or even higher. That's the mass OEM marktet, who many HP/Acer/Dell's you see with mid to high end graphics? At most HD6570/6670.

Llano:
More profits for OEM's
Free gaming performance upgrade if paired with a discrete gpu

For example:
Phenom II X4 975 + HD6670 = 100% gaming performance
Llano A8 (HD6550) + HD6670 + internal CF = 160% gaming performance

~same price

 

[Guest]

Intel is both Toyota and the Import car, as it is both innovative and expensive. They have small cars in their fleet to keep their fleet's average MPG within the gov't requirements, not for anything practical (though this is changing). AMD is the Ford, having a full lineup of aging technology that works fine and is well priced, but hardly exciting. And ARM is the Mini or Smart car. It gets you there, it is cute, it gets good mileage, but when you need a real car then you need a real car.

 

[palladin9479]

Until Intel significantly changes their micro-architecture then Atom will constantly turn up at the bottom of benchmarks. This isn't about fanboyism, Intel deliberately hamstrung the Atom CPU to prevent it from competing with the i3. This is similar to how Intel disabled the L2 cache on the older Celeron to prevent them from competing with the lower end Pentium III's (or was it the II's). With a simple hack you could enable the cache and get a cheap fast CPU. In Atom's case its in-order execution and its caching logic is horrible. The Atom is barely more powerful then a cell phone CPU and before long those will be beat it. Intel is getting market share through shear muscle and not through any actual feature set or power advantage (when the entire platform is taken into consideration).

 

[whysobluepandabear]

[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]Toyota has had the best quality rating for a while. Ford is actually rapidly coming upon that, due to them utilizing their European designs more and VW, a German car maker, now ahs some of their cars manufatured in China.Of course better is all about the person. Some people don't take care of their cars. My Ford COntour is 12 years old and the most I have had to do was replace the upper and lower air intake gaskets.[/citation]

Maybe for It's class, but beyond that, there is absolutely no comparison. German engineering stomps Toyota ...and pretty much ranks amongst the best.


With that aside, Toyota has vastly fallen since the massive recalls and their reliability and reputation has taken a huge hit, compared to where they were before any of this news surfaced.



You would have to drive a BMW (say 3 series so we don't completely try comparing a 100k+ car to one that is 30k) and use it consistently for a few good months. You'd hop in the Toyota and swear your world got turned upside down, and realize immediately that driving is now not fun or pleasurable at all. Yeah, It's that good. Loved my Beemer.

 

[whysobluepandabear]

[citation][nom]The Greater Good[/nom]If resale value is any indicator, yes... the Toyota is better. Oh, Honda also holds higher resale value than BMW, MB. Higher prices doesn't always mean that you're getting a better product.[/citation]
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=buy&story=hiResidual&subject=best_resale



Nah, I don't think so.


With that aside, resale value deals with market and so many other factors, that It's not really an indication of value or if the product is better.


An example would be: Look at the cost of normal BMW maintenance, fixing the same exact part, the Honda would not only have a CHEAPER costing part, but also CHEAPER LABOR cost. That right there effects resale value.

 

[whysobluepandabear]

[citation][nom]valpanig[/nom]When i drive my mom's Avalon next to BMW or Mercedes i always say, up yours... overpriced pieces of imports.[/citation]
You too miss the point. You look at price and what does the job of transporting you from point A to point B.


The price is very much worth it, you just don't know it, or what you're talking about. If you have the opportunity to drive and operate one for an extended amount of time, you'd never want to go back.


You should take a 3 series or the M3, at high speeds around curvy, winding roads and feel the car as it handles effortlessly, while you can feel the road the entire time. Do that in your Avalon and watch you lose control and go through the guard rail, off the cliff, into the ocean, but first hitting large rocks causing the car to violently explode, but also crush your skull in from the impact.


P.s., Your mom's Avalon is an import too....did you forget that? lol

 

[cookoy]

I was hoping to see more details about how Intel plans to step up its Atom line with this article. Well Atom is a small cpu deserving only a tiny tidbit of news.

 

[aracheb]

[citation][nom]samwelaye[/nom]Mario75, actually for NOW, the amd netbooks are outperforming intel. On a side note, that was probably one of the most unintelligent comments i have ever read.[/citation]
kudos to you for being able to read that, i gave up after the second line.
What is wrong with the grammar in this country, I can't complain much about the grammar since English is not my first language, but please keep the slang in the street.

 

[jgutz2006]

i find humor in the car comparisons...but whos driving a toyota and calling the BMW/Mercedes a "damn import" rofl. But anyone who thinks a 20-40k car can compare to the luxury lines is someone who's never driven one or cannot afford one (which isnt anything to get upset about). I went to infinity M class and its absolutely amazing how superior it is to the other cars i test drove, (Ford, Toyota, Chevy and even much better than its smaller siblings in the nissan line)

 

[BSMonitor]

AMD > Intel on pure performance per watt on all GPU fronts

Hmmm, doubtful. Entry Level / Windows Desktop GPU performance. Intel packs all of this into a 95W Quad Core CPU for Sandy Bridge. No AMD integrated North Bridge entry level GPU / CPU combo can touch that 95W.

 

[quicksilver98]

[citation][nom]another user[/nom]> intel haz no good GPU!!!Could you name any tasks other than gaming that require a 'good GPU' on an Atom system? And gaming is much less important than children think.[/citation]

Yea anything on the Internet that uses Flash or any technology like it....

 

[gmarsack]

I like Atom for what it is, a low cost power sipping CPU. I actually own 4 Atom based servers. Sure, they are low performers, but these servers also are quite and low cost to operate. For me, that's a win!

 

[silverblue]

[citation][nom]BSMonitor[/nom]Hmmm, doubtful. Entry Level / Windows Desktop GPU performance. Intel packs all of this into a 95W Quad Core CPU for Sandy Bridge. No AMD integrated North Bridge entry level GPU / CPU combo can touch that 95W.[/citation]
Probably because none are on sale yet. All bar the upper echelon of Llano offerings will undercut your 95W value.

 

[Pherule]

I find it funny how people keep referring to cars. They need to understand that this is a computer forum: others here are more likely to understand comparisons related to computers than those related to cars.

 

[K2N hater]

[citation][nom]fir_ser[/nom]Intel is taking these drastic measures to catch up with ARM, moreover AMD’s Fusion just made things worse for Atom.[/citation]
Even though Fusion is far superior than both ARM and Atom I'm yet to see AMD taking a desearved slice of the market.

 

[dalethepcman]

[citation][nom]BSMonitor[/nom]Hmmm, doubtful. Entry Level / Windows Desktop GPU performance. Intel packs all of this into a 95W Quad Core CPU for Sandy Bridge. No AMD integrated North Bridge entry level GPU / CPU combo can touch that 95W.[/citation]

I own a 9 watt fusion based system, and I can tell you as a matter of fact, it easily has greater than 10% of the performance of my I7 2600k So yes, AMD can easily touch, bitch slap, and stab Intel and maybe even ARM in performance per watt for general computing (read anything other than massive number crunching.) I'm not even talking about the 5w version that was just released, and once AMD updates to 28nm instead of 40nm the performance / watt will get even better.

 

[feeddagoat]

[citation][nom]11796pcs[/nom]For what the Atom is meant for, it does it's job VERY well. Of course it's not fast- it's designed that way. It's meant for web browsing and that's what is does well. All of you even bringing up gaming need to leave. They're meant to be low heat and low power consumption. The fact that they can run with passive cooling is awesome.[/citation]

TBH it doesn't do it very well. Look at the ARM low powered processor in smartphones. They're better for web browsing since they use far less power yet complete the same task that atom has set out to do. Its hard to say if Atom design is to blame or the bloated OS windows 7 is compared to android or ios for such a device. Personally I say a bit of both but mainly the OS not being designed for low power or optimally designed the hardware