News Intel Launches $699 Core i9-13900KS, the World's First 6 GHz CPU: Available Now

[korekan]

wohoooo cant imagine how hot it is during gaming in my home if i can afford it.

 

[rluker5]

That was in the context of the response from Terry. He advocates for "no unlimited/unrestricted tests". I just mention that in the context that Intel just enabled, officially, a new power level/state for the KS, so the 320W may be the new ceiling. It's probably an OC mode, but less weird/extreme than the 4096W limit.

And at least the sample HardwareUnboxed reviewed, it did not get to 6Ghz with the most beastly cooling solution plus ILM frame mod to lower temps so it boosts even higher. I don't know what to tell you, but it seems it'll reach 6Ghz under very specific conditions. And the floor power increase is real anyway.

Regards.

All core isn't single or double core.
The 13900ks is 6ghz for 2 cores, not all cores.
On the single core cinebench hwunboxed showed CPU package power of 36w so not throttling there, and their system was all core loaded per the clocks and their big cooler was providing about 256w of steady state cooling which is comparable to a nh-d15 air cooler for Alder/Raptor.
This review from HWUnboxed is not credible and their hwinfo64 display shows it.
Edit: I also saw 280w cooling so that isn't that bad, but there was a lot of background stuff going on if they couldn't get single core to work. That is basic stuff.

 

[rluker5]

Yeah, I get that already. The point being, is it can draw that much power, and good cooling will be essential for when it does. Otherwise it will throttle!

AMD's 7x series throttle by design at 95c.

 

[Elusive Ruse]

AMD's 7x series throttle by design at 95c.

They don't.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Cooling Requirements & Thermal Throttling

High temperature seem to be an issue on the new Ryzen 7000 processors. We're pairing a Ryzen 9 7950X with a $10 stock cooler, a Noctua air-cooler and a 420 mm AIO to get a feel for what the differences are like in terms of °C, MHz and performance in both applications and games.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[-Fran-]

All core isn't single or double core.
The 13900ks is 6ghz for 2 cores, not all cores.
On the single core cinebench hwunboxed showed CPU package power of 36w so not throttling there, and their system was all core loaded per the clocks and their big cooler was providing about 256w of steady state cooling which is comparable to a nh-d15 air cooler for Alder/Raptor.
This review from HWUnboxed is not credible and their hwinfo64 display shows it.
Edit: I also saw 280w cooling so that isn't that bad, but there was a lot of background stuff going on if they couldn't get single core to work. That is basic stuff.

Hence the "under very specific conditions".

If you can only run a game that doesn't use more than 2 cores and have zero other applications running in the background... I'm not sure what to say... Sounds iffy to me.

Regards.

 

[-Fran-]

AMD's 7x series throttle by design at 95c.

There's more nuance to that number than just saying "throttle point".

AMD made a reverse on how "throttling" works and Intel may follow suit shortly: instead of capping power and using the temperature as a stopping point, AMD made it the reverse, so when the CPU reaches 95°C it just then stops supplying more power to the CPU in order to clock higher.

In practice it is a barrier, but not the same kind of barrier as we've accustomed to, which is kind of annoying TBH. It means you are "cooling capped" instead of "power capped" under normal operation.

EDIT: Hence why I'm still salty the IHS seems to be not allowing the Zen4 cores to perform better, thermally. AMD is artificially capping the performance by having a crappy IHS on it and why delidding and lapping the CPU gives back so much performance when running un-capped or manually OC'ing.

Regards.

 

[Tom Sunday]

An overlay that shows you how much money you are paying for electricity to run this stupid thing.

Many of us here are still living with Mom including free utilities, unlimited kitchen, fridge privileges and apple pie! I came home with a business degree like millions of other guys unable in landing a job with a meaningful (Fortune 500) company and now living in a basement command center. So in order to keep my sanity with whatever money there is and with driving a forklift at Walmart, most $$$ are simply going to my car & tech. Hopefully another ‘entitlement’ will be forthcoming and pay for my education. Reality bites!

 

[Elusive Ruse]

Many of us here are still living with Mom including free utilities, unlimited kitchen, fridge privileges and apple pie! I came home with a business degree like millions of other guys unable in landing a job with a meaningful (Fortune 500) company and now living in a basement command center. So in order to keep my sanity with whatever money there is and with driving a forklift at Walmart, most $$$ are simply going to my car & tech. Hopefully another ‘entitlement’ will be forthcoming and pay for my education. Reality bites!

 

[rluker5]

Hence the "under very specific conditions".

If you can only run a game that doesn't use more than 2 cores and have zero other applications running in the background... I'm not sure what to say... Sounds iffy to me.

Regards.

You just put a post directly under mine under the Sapphire Rapids article. In my post I have, under a spoiler, images of CPU context switching in CP2077 showing that it runs single core a lot. Check out those images. CPU use isn't as simple as single core or multi core. Lots of that could be 6GHZ. Hard for me to test because MSI AB doesn't support Raptor Lake yet. At least doesn't display much.

 

[helper800]

You just put a post directly under mine under the Sapphire Rapids article. In my post I have, under a spoiler, images of CPU context switching in CP2077 showing that it runs single core a lot. Check out those images. CPU use isn't as simple as single core or multi core. Lots of that could be 6GHZ. Hard for me to test because MSI AB doesn't support Raptor Lake yet. At least doesn't display much.

Use HWinfo then, it fully supports raptor and alder CPUs.

 

[Elusive Ruse]

In times like these and being the everyday man on the street, I for one like to be holding a few more dollars in my hand. Initially I thought that with holding a college degree in my hand I had a title to something. Well that did not work! Right now my life however revolves around ‘entitlements’ and the President may after all will be paying for my education. My mom just came down to my basement command center asking me: “When are you going to find a real job?” Welcome to my reality!

Dude, stop, my sides can take so much

 

[Amdlova]

13900 World's wide edition
13900(K) (AlasKa edition)
13900(KS) (AlasKa eSkimo edition) house heater

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

AMD's 7x series throttle by design at 95c.

Yeah, but it's not drawing 300w!

 

[Amdlova]

My last cpu from intel with overclock in mind is the 4770k, non days I want the (T) Series... Too slow.
LESS HEAT, LESS POWER, LESS COOLERS... people need to stop its not only 320w from cpu you got in your case more 40w from pump and fans if you don't need a chiller will eat more 200w. It's beyond of stupid...

 

[TerryLaze]

I guess it depends on what you use as a benchmark. Under full rendering load:

It doesn't matter what you run, physical limits are the same for everything.

Yes, if you have adaptive boost enabled it will always try to reach 100 degrees.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...intel-technologies-boost-cpu-performance.html

Intel® Adaptive Boost Technology

Opportunistically increases all-core turbo frequency when current, power, and thermal headroom exists. Works below a temperature limit of 100°C.

Also techpowerup says that: "Temperatures are based on delta T, normalized to 25°C. " anybody that specialized in thermodynamics that can explain what this means?!

 

[PEnns]

The thing is it won't run at 300W all the time unless all you do is Cinebench all day, every day. The idle power draw will be under 10W like all other Raptor Lake CPUs which is almost one-fifth of the competition.

Source: https://youtu.be/JHWxAdKK4Xg?t=264

Yes indeed. You deserve a cookie from Intel's PR dept

Fat cats and silly Intel fanbois will buy this monster to...............let it sit sidle all day!!

Thanks for your amazing insight and prophesies into these amazingly dreamy scenarios

 

[King_V]

MOAR WATTZES!! MOAR HURTZES!!! MOAR FASTER!!!!!! (a tiny bit)


Stupidity marches forward... ho hum.

 

[helper800]

MOAR WATTZES!! MOAR HURTZES!!! MOAR FASTER!!!!!! (a tiny bit)


Stupidity marches forward... ho hum.

This next in: Intel to release 13950KIS* , now with double the wattage, but its **Faster™
*Kill ItSelf™ edition is the trademark of Death to CPU's, an Intel consortium.
**Faster™ is a trademark in association with Intel and technically true.

 

[lmcnabney]

Is it going to get whipped by Zen4 X3D running at under 200W?

 

[helper800]

Is it going to get whipped by Zen4 X3D running at under 200W?

I believe AMD said that their new X3D chips are about 25% faster than the 5800X3D in games. Simple math means that puts them on par or a bit better than the 13XXX intel CPUs. It will be interesting to see what they can do when they come out and get benched. I personally went from a 3900X to a 5800X3D and it was a massive boost in FPS even at 1440p with a lot of games I was/am playing.

 

[Devoteicon]

Even an i3 12100 can run almost anything at 60 fps in 1080p. It's a beast of a CPU.

So true. I got my i3-12100 paired with a 3060 ti right now and nothing drops below 60fps with no discernible bottleneck that I'm seeing with the games I play. It truly is the $$$/perf king, imo.

 

[Deleted member 431422]

It doesn't matter what you run, physical limits are the same for everything.

Yes, if you have adaptive boost enabled it will always try to reach 100 degrees.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...intel-technologies-boost-cpu-performance.html


Also techpowerup says that: "Temperatures are based on delta T, normalized to 25°C. " anybody that specialized in thermodynamics that can explain what this means?!

It means you ain't gonna see those GHz when there's 30+ °C outside. Not without A/C blowing inside the case.

 

[boe rhae]

the chip is really interesting from a technical standpoint but i don't think anyone should buy this for practical purposes.

 

[Amdlova]

Intel need to Take the 3nm from tsmc and build new chips, new design 14nm ++++++ (10nm or 7nm jokes) can't go on

 

[RichardtST]

Explain how the E cores are "just garbage"? This thing will beat both 7950X and 7950X3D in every multi-threaded and professional workload. Do you think that is only using the 8 "full speed cores"?

Because if nothing else, I can count on Windows to put my one timing-critical-speed thread on one of the slower cores. Every time. Without fail. Would you buy a computer with a thousand 200mhz z80s? Even if the total work done by all the threads combined is higher? How about a rack full of raspberry pies? No, of course not. I program in real-time, and I push my cores to their limits. Last thing I need is more cheap gimmicks.