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OC3D actually posted an article, so I just thought of sharing this here at the FORUM as well. Some new info on INTEL's upcoming CPUs has been leaked. I will just quote their text here.

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/int...fining-next-era-laptop-experiences/#gs.swk3j4

Intel has officially launched its first 10th generation Core processors, revealing 11 10nm SKUs which are designed for sub-30W power draw in slim 2-in-1 notebook designs. These are Intel's first commercially available 10nm processors.

While Intel's product launch is today, the company has confirmed that system availability isn't expected from PC manufacturers until 2019's Holiday Season, making this a paper launch. Some OEMs may ship 10nm systems early, but not in large quantities.

These new processors all make use of Intel's 10nm manufacturing process, the company's Gen11 graphics (which support VESA Adaptive Sync) and the company's next-generation Sunny Cove core architecture. These processors are code-named Ice Lake. Intel has further confirmed that there will be "additional products in the 10th Gen Intel Core mobile processor family" which will target "increased productivity and performance scaling for demanding, multithreaded workloads". Intel has not stated whether or not these higher-end processors will utilise 10nm, only that they will feature "performance scaling for demanding, multithreaded workloads".

One of Intel's newest features with Ice Lake is support for Integrated Thunderbolt 3, WiFi 6 and support for AVX 512 and AI Inference instructions. This is a first for an Intel mobile platform.

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/int...fining-next-era-laptop-experiences/#gs.swk3j4

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...s_its_first_10th_generation_10nm_processors/1

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https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-10nm-ice-lake-test-benchmarks,6257.html

Tom also had two articles including some benchmarking which looks impressive. It beats a CPU with a higher boost clock speed.

Of course it is all preliminary and we will have to try and get two similar consumer models to really test against but it looks promising for their new uArch.

It looks like AMD will at least have some good competition on the mobile side.
 
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It's seems misleading if not fraudulent to lead your PR marketing claim with a IPC improvement of 18% versus Skylake - a 2015 processor.

It's like Apple releases a statement saying " The iPhone 11: now 18% better than your old phone ( the iPhone 6S)"

Looking strictly at Intel's charts, you gain ~3.5% single thread performance over Whiskey Lake and most of this gain likely comes from faster memory support, security fixes, and inclusion of large AVX-512 gains in exotic workloads. 3.5% on a new Arch and die shrink seems underwhelming...

Intel does have good improvements on graphics and AVX-512 workloads but otherwise it seems like a sideways / no improvement for typical software use cases.
 
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jimmysmitty said:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-10nm-ice-lake-test-benchmarks,6257.html

Tom also had two articles including some benchmarking which looks impressive. It beats a CPU with a higher boost clock speed.

Of course it is all preliminary and we will have to try and get two similar consumer models to really test against but it looks promising for their new uArch.

It looks like AMD will at least have some good competition on the mobile side.
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Yup, I just saw that...But at that time the article wasn't live I think, I just checked the homepage though.. :D

Anyways, I still think AMD has the upper hand in the MOBILE APU side as well. Competition is going to be tough though....Just found another article:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-ice-lake-10-gen-naming-guide,40063.html
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jimmysmitty said:
I think GPU wise it will be closer than we think:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeForce-MX250-vs-Vega-10-vs-Vega-Mobile_9561_8142_8640.247598.0.html

Vega 10, the top APU GPU for AMD, sits behind the nVidia MX250. In most tests so does the 64EU Iris Pro. Its going to be an interesting battle to be sure in the mobile world.
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remixislandmusic said:
Finally some competition to amd apus!

The performance looks impressive. I hope they are pretty efficient aswell.
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Vrooman said:
It's seems misleading if not fraudulent to lead your PR marketing claim with a IPC improvement of 18% versus Skylake - a 2015 processor.

It's like Apple releases a statement saying " The iPhone 11: now 18% better than your old phone ( the iPhone 6S)"

Looking strictly at Intel's charts, you gain ~3.5% single thread performance over Whiskey Lake and most of this gain likely comes from faster memory support, security fixes, and inclusion of large AVX-512 gains in exotic workloads. 3.5% on a new Arch and die shrink seems underwhelming...

Intel does have good improvements on graphics and AVX-512 workloads but otherwise it seems like a sideways / no improvement for typical software use cases.
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Yup Intel pretty much easily stepping back in and look the true performance gain over Intel last generation. Very good result there.

Raja’s Law is making them perform even better.
 
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Yes.....For INTEL 7nm DESKTOP CPU counterparts are at least a far cry...Not only is Intel just reaching 10nm manufacturing as AMD rolls out 7nm chips, but these Ice Lake chips Intel showed off are sadly not intended for desktops, but exclusively for mobile or versatile 2-in-1 devices.

Intel previously has stated that it would be launching 7nm products in 2021. This sounds a bit aggressive for a company that has had issues with 10nm.

I think Intel's 7nm is going to be the combination of what they have learned till now from the 14nm and 10nm series of products. Intel wants that 2X scaling as well (MOORE'S LAW), but with intra-node optimizations (as evident from this roadmap).

7nm will also be where Intel goes with EUV, and also introduce the next-gen Foveros and EMIB packaging. In 2021 INTEL might also launch 7nm XE GPUs, though they might mostly target the data center, with some consumer variants as well.

I just wonder how Moore's Law is going to pan out in the coming years !?

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Intels 7nm is different in that it will be a EUV based process while 10nm is not. I don't think they are running into the same issues with it.

My thoughts are that 10nm will never make it to desktop and we will see 7nm desktop parts. While this seems like them being behind we have to remember than the nm naming has become nothing more than a marketing name. Intels 10nm is more dense than TSMC or Samsungs 7nm and will still be more dense than their 7nm+ or 6nm or whatever they decide to call it. As well Intels 7nm should, based on information we have, be more dense than TSMC and Samsungs 5nm.

If Intel can launch their 7nm in 2021 they would be matching TSMC for 5nm. Although current rumor has no real idea what AMD plans to use for Zen 4, it could ne TSMCs 6nm or their 5nm.

I would love to take an Intel 8 core CPU and give it the same clocks as AMDs Ryzen and test the performance and power draw. I would bet that intels 14nm+++ or however many there are is probably almost as efficient as TSMCs 7nm is.
 
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Not quite what I wanted to see. I wanted to see power draw more. Performance is interesting. Synthetics show one picture, games show another. I would like to see power draw numbers.

At 4GHz Ryzen would be at its top end so I wonder if the power draw would stay similar to stock settings or possibly go up while the 9900K would be at its lower end since it turbo boosts much higher than 4GHz.
 
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If anything, from all I've read/seen lately, Intel 10nm cpus for desktop will be a Broadwell part deux. Couple of lga1151 v2 cpus, just to fill in market gaps set by amd, but no performance giants like the 9900k. It'll be a tide-over until 7nm drops with the real performance increase and hype that skylake brought after the original Broadwell fiasco.
 
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jimmysmitty said:
Not quite what I wanted to see. I wanted to see power draw more. Performance is interesting. Synthetics show one picture, games show another. I would like to see power draw numbers.

At 4GHz Ryzen would be at its top end so I wonder if the power draw would stay similar to stock settings or possibly go up while the 9900K would be at its lower end since it turbo boosts much higher than 4GHz.
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Yeah, if Intel can't get their 4 years optimized core to beat a brand new arch from AMD, I'd be worried. The laptop 10nm seems good enough to hold Intel over until their 7nm products launch, at least on the mobile side. Not even gonna try to speculate on Intel desktop since they haven't meet on schedule in that department in years.
 
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remixislandmusic said:
Oh no.

Broadwell was just kind of a forgotten generation and I believe intel intends for people to forget about it.

I just want an I5 2500k again. Or really the incredible performance increase that the entire sandy bridge architecture brought. Maybe except for the single-core Celerons at like 1.6ghz...
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Probaly going release a good gamer cpu for 10nm Intel 1 for i5 and 1 for i7 just like 5th gen lol.
 
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That's a long time to let the 9900K (and upcoming 9900KS, etc) to carry the flagship reigns; I'm not overly optimistic about any real gains from any upcoming rumored 10 core variant, but, knowing Intel, they will find 1000 samples to release that hit 5.1 GHz on two cores/4.8 GHz all core and cranks out 1-2 extra frames per second over the lowly/mere 8 core predecessors. Until AMD can add 300-400 MHz to it's current offerings, it appears Intel will still rule in high end gaming.
 
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My next big CPU upgrade would be next-gen RYZEN/ZEN 3 when it launches. Desktop that is....

Currently using the i7 4790, and it still pretty much does the work on 1080p/60Hz setup, on my potato PC to be precise, lol.
 
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Karadjgne said:
That's always the case though. Sandy/Ivy owners waited on DC, Haswell owners waited on Kabylake, and everyone waited on Ryzen, and many kept waiting for R2, and some waited on R3.

Most upgraders have a pc that's good enough. Especially for 1080p/60. Problem is when good enough isn't good enough.
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Yup. Performance with 3rd gen ryzen is plenty for me and I would most certainly upgrade to it if i won the lottery tomorrow.
 
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