Intel or AMD?

[jennyh]

Remember the 940 is AM2+ so no ddr3 mobo. It's not a huge loss in performance however and you'll save a little more cash on ddr2 memory and mobo.

 

[tisello]

gah wtf! =(

 

[jennyh]

Look for a 945 or 955, they have really come down in price. Or check out the 720 BE.

DDR2 is still competitive though, we're talking something like 2-3% difference between a DDR2 and DDR3 setup, it's almost not worth bothering about.

 

[sighQ2]

@ tisello

Now you are in the thick of the research - stay with it - and you will see your way through to the best solution FOR YOU!

It's about your needs now and in future - you can save on the ddr2 path, and way that against the gains of ddr3/socket AM3. Note that AM3 cpu's WILL WORK IN A AM2+/DDR2 mobo. (but AM2+ cpu's will not work in a AM3 mobo). Also FUTURE AM3 mobos will use the new chipsets coming probably Q4. AM3 platform is still rolling out. An AM3 cpu will work in tomorrows AM3 mobo. There has never been an upgrade path offered like this before - there are almost too many options. Think it through for you.

It gets a little crazy - slow down and work it out for you, not anyone else.

 

[theholylancer]

Well if he is gona wait that long, may as well wait and see how I5s perform lol....

not I3 tho, they are just rebrands


IMHO,get DDR3, since if they do continue with this backward compat CPU from AMD with DDR2/DDR3 and then DDR3/DDR4 you'd be future proof with DDR3 much more than DDR2

 

[amdfangirl]

^ not if you upgrade once in a blue moon

 

[jennyh]

Not sure anyone will bother with DDR4 either, it's probably gonna go DDR5 like on the gpu market (yes i know amd did some gddr4 but they soon learned it wasn't worth it).

 

[theholylancer]

^ not if you upgrade once in a blue moon

so true, my upgrade path went like:


A64 s939 -> more ram swap (2x 512 to 2x 1 gb OCZ gold to platinum )-> 6800GT to 7900GS -> i7 920 with 7900GS

thats in 5 years


and I'm planning to go to ATI 5xxx or maybe nvidia if they get their *** right.

 

[BadTrip]

i7 920 with 7900gs, wow

 

[theholylancer]

i7 920 with 7900gs, wow

well dropping another 400 dollar at least for a gfx right at this moment don't sound very productive.... I made the mistake once when I got my 6800 GT, as after about 3 months (I got it at the start of the summer) they released the 7800GTX and GT stuff that blew 6800 GT out of the water and then a little bit after came the 8800 line with DX10.....

I'm not making that mistake again with DX11 and ATI 5xxx and nvidia GT300 (if they have it lol) cards just around the corner.




unless someone wana pass me their old 8800GTS+ or something like that for 10 dollars roflmao.

 

[tisello]

so should i wait for a ati 5xxx card?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yes

 

[jimmysmitty]

Cheapest X58 mobo $169.99:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130227

Supports up to 24GB of DDR3, 2 full 16x PCIe slots, supports SLI or CF. MSI is also known for decent mobos and pretty good OCing. Thats a cheepee mobo yet it has tons of featres and OCs well thus far for the people who own it.

There is nothing here about 775. But did you know that AM2+ is a dead end too? And it didn't last as long as LGA775. AM3 is their current future BUT there is no gurantee it will last more than 2 years, especially with more cores.

Most benches are lies.... to you. But then again instead of backing your claims up with some sort of alternat benchmarks showing what you are talking about you keep repeating it. Unless you can prove that what pretty much every site has gotten, that Core i7 performs the best in everything but single card gaming then you need to stop.

And of course a biased review is one not praising AMD. In all honesty, if pretty much every site got the same results unless you buy a Core i7 and a Phenom II of equivalent pricing you can't say jack.

BTW, how many Intel systems have you built this year? I am guessing none. BTW, for friends I have built 3 AMD systems because thats what their budget allowed. Nice bias buddy.

And please post those reasons and none of this "monopoly, antitrust" BS. If thats all you care about then your best bet to not support them is to never buy a PC again since every company is out to get your business and money. Hell don't buy anything but non name brand anything. Actually you had better just make your own everything because every corporation is the same.

 

[amdfangirl]

Might be better off with a 720 BE.

710 if you don't wanna OC.

 

[theholylancer]

710 if you don't wanna OC.

is the unlocked multi that much of a thing for OCing on AMD nowadays??

I mean common, if the simple FSB and divider tricks don't work or are people just getting lazy with OCing and multi playing is all they do??

 

[J0SEPH]

"A business is a business. Out to make money, not friends. "


let the fanboys babble their reaction to this. I am an AMD fan for very good reasons. Do the research to educate yourself - or piss away your [strike]money[/strike] welfare check.

I would love to respond to your comment, but it's too difficult to type with my eyes rolled heavenward.

gb2 4ailchan

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Oh my. Really? Whats that Randomizer posted below? Could it be? A chart showing those prices that AMD supposively did not gouge people with during the Athlon X2s reign?

Oh that must be an evil Intel conspiracy, right?

Saddest thing is that was the mid to high end. The Athlon FXs were even worse to start. They were well over $1K.

AMD doesn't hike their prices my ass. They are a God damn business just like Intel. If Phenom II creamed C2Q and Core i7 you better bet your ass that they would be running their 945BEs at over $1K. Stop trying to make them some saint company that cares about the consumer. They care about their bottom line and thats all.

Am I crazy or do these people seriously think AMD is Jesus? I mean I know intel wont lower their prices to help out us lower income people on budgets. I know nVidia wont. Why can't people realize AMD cares more about the profit than the people?

A business is a business. Out to make money, not friends.

LOL - sadly, these AMD fanbois will ignore/rewrite history to suit their own holy image of the saintly company .

Either that, or they don't remember 5 years ago. Probably the latter - many seem to have the attention span of a flea. Or Sasquatch. Or Sasquatch covered with fleas .

 

[keithlm]

But did you know that AM2+ is a dead end too? And it didn't last as long as LGA775.

But then LGA775 didn't last as long as LGA775 lasted.

If a new chip that calls itself LGA775 can not work in all LGA775 motherboards without anything other than a BIOS flash then it is misleading to call the new chip LGA775.

If this happens 4 or 5 times then what you really have is 4 or 5 different sockets still being called LGA775. How long did each of those pseudo-sockets last as compared to AM2+?

 

[cjl]

Well if he is gona wait that long, may as well wait and see how I5s perform lol....

not I3 tho, they are just rebrands


IMHO,get DDR3, since if they do continue with this backward compat CPU from AMD with DDR2/DDR3 and then DDR3/DDR4 you'd be future proof with DDR3 much more than DDR2

i3 definitely aren't just rebrands - they are an entire new architecture. They may perform similarly to the old high end duos, but that doesn't make them a complete rebranding.

 

[nerrawg]

Honestly if it is only gaming (at high res and fps) that you want, then listen to randomizer and AMD girl (omg I can't believe I wrote that) here. What I am talking about here is of course with regards to the recommendations of the X3 720 BE and X3 710. Actually "theholylancer" has a bit of a point as well because you can almost guarantied OC the 710 as high (FSB or core frequency) as the 720 without the unlocked multiplier. Also comparisons have shown that once you get over 3.2-3.4 GHz core clock the speed on phenom II's has little effect (it's on Anandtech cpu section: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=13 ). Really overclocking the HT freq. and the memory controller speed can have a large effect - seen here vs. Core 2 architecture: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/05/11/overclocking-amd-s-phenom-ii-x3-720-be/6
These are not the perfect references, so I would like to hear some feed back. The main thing with buying any PC is your budget and your end goal. Always! keep this in mind, because more expensive is not always better in the long run, unless you are a rich SOB (which is cool by me, I'm just not one of those). If you want to read more check this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/264181-31-best-bang-buck-spend-system
Basically everyone knows that the i7 whoops the phenom II's a**, however when it comes down to bang for the buck it is a whole different question. Future predictions are hard to make, but if you live in the US and use Newegg (like a sensible person), then the combo saving on the phenom II are unbelievable. I wish we had them across the pond here in the UK. In this case saving anywhere from $200-400 (depending on RAM and MOBOs) will give you the cash for the ultimate worthwhile graphics solution (OC'ed 4890's in CF). This coupled with an overclocked phenom II X3 710/720 will give you excellent (60+ fps ) framerates in the most demanding games @ 1920x1200 res, and playable fps in games @ 2500 x 1600. There are of course downsides though, like lack of dual AMD and Nvidia support. However, as Nvidia are seldom better bang for the buck (sometimes they are though), and therefore if you are in a budget then they are not usually a wise choice. If you intend to play on a 24 inch 1920 x 1200 monitor then I recommend 4850 X2 or 2 x 4850's (4770's if you can find them under $100) in CF on a 790GX/X/FX board as best bang for the buck in most games. It will no doubt beat a single 4870 or 4890 by a long shot and provide the performance you need at that resolution for ~ $200 - not bad at all! If you do not believe me then at least read Proximon's comments as he indisputably knows what he is talking about. Long time since I have written here, so hello again to Randomizer, Helloworld98, gkay09, shortstuff_mt and xthekid! Wish you guys the best and keep up the good work!

btw jimmysmitty and fazers_on_stun have good points too; so keep this in mind- there is no point in company loyalty - only performance and value per $!

 

[jennyh]

LOL - sadly, these AMD fanbois will ignore/rewrite history to suit their own holy image of the saintly company .

That is correct fazers, the victors always write the history.

 

[J0SEPH]

That is correct fazers, the victors always write the history.

Apparently you share George W. Bush's concept of of both victory and history

GB2 Ubuntu

 

[tisello]

So if i want the most "bang for the buck" i should choose AMD Phenom II 720 x3?

But if i want the best preformance for a reasonable price i should choose i7 920?

 

[xaira]

the only way a 920 i7 is justified, is if ur getting it at microcenter

 

[jimmysmitty]

But then LGA775 didn't last as long as LGA775 lasted.

If a new chip that calls itself LGA775 can not work in all LGA775 motherboards without anything other than a BIOS flash then it is misleading to call the new chip LGA775.

If this happens 4 or 5 times then what you really have is 4 or 5 different sockets still being called LGA775. How long did each of those pseudo-sockets last as compared to AM2+?

All dependant upon the mobo company. Most high end mobo companies would support them till at least the end of the 65nm Core 2s and some would even support them all the way to the 45nm Core 2s.

Its not only a simple BIOS update either or any of the low end AM2+ mobos could support every Phenom/Phenom II out there yet not all can due to the low end voltage regulators. Remember that if you go cheap on a mobo you limit the actual CPU support. Plenty of AM2+ mobos don't support above a 9750 Phenom.

I could even list quite a few LGA775 mobos with the 945P chipsets (that are roughly 4-5 years old now) that support every single Core 2 out there but meh, I don't feel like pulling them up.

And still the mobo maker will make the decision in the end. There are also plenty of AM2+ mobos that still do not support a Phenom due to a lazy mobo maker not willing to update the BIOS. But ones like Asus and other high end ones tend to update the BIOS all the time or at least till the end of the mobos usefullness. My current P5K-E can support every LGA775 from the original Prescott based Pentium 4s all the way to the highest end Core 2 Quad @ 45nm and it uses a P35 which according to a lot of people was going to end at the 65nm Core 2 Quads......