Intel Quad Core or Core Duo??

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Hello everybody,
I am kinda new at this not really.
I have a Intel® Pentium® Processor E2180 (1M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB) - intel website (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=31733).

I am thinking of replacing my current processor with either a Duo or a Quad core, but I have been going through forums and topics like this are a bit outdated. But what I want to know is that would it be smarter to go Duo? or Quad? and do the extra cores do anything to "expand" preformance? like do the extra cores/threads multiply the max GHz or does it stay the same.
example:
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E8300
(6M Cache, 2.83 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9505S
(6M Cache, 2.83 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

do the extra cores/threads of the quad out "GHz" the duo?
Looking for the best performance in gaming and non-gaming. 😀
-I am a Gamer

OH and I think I need more RAM right???? :heink:

Specs:
Acer Aspire M1641 with a Nvidia MCP73 motherboard *LGA 775
Nvidia Geforce 9500 gt
Corsair 430 watt PSU
2GB RAM
(only experience of MODing PC's replacing Graphics card) 😗
 
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Depends on what you play and what you are willing to spend.

Firstly, more cores do not affect the clock speed (GHz value), so using your example, 2.83GHz on a dual is the same as 2.83 on a quad.
However, the extra cores allow the quad core to perform more tasks simultaneously than the dual. You could for example game and run a virus scan at the same time without affecting gaming performance too much, which you can''t do with only two cores.
For productivity, more cores all always better. The most recent games also support more than two cores, so that's another benefit. But, if gaming is your primary focus, the 9500GT is not exactly a great performer.
Next question: Yes, more RAM is always good. I would recommend at least 4GB.
One more thing: If you do upgrade, make sure your motherboard supports the new CPU.
 
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6078347&CatId=2261

This is the type of memory you want, although for certain compatibility it would be safer to buy a pair of sticks;

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631346&CatId=2264



For gaming I would recommend a fast Core 2 Duo (2.8 GHz +), unless you need a quad Core for rendering or other very intensive specific tasks.

As previously mentioned, a Graphics card upgrade is called for also if you want to play the latest games, but you need to watch power requirements (PSU).

It may be worth buying a new motherboard/CPU/memory and sticking this on ebay....
Cheers.
 
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forget dual cores these days seriously get with the times

2gb of ram? go to atleast 4gb

i hope your not using windows xp...

on the other hand your system has an nvidia chipset... supprised it still works (nvidia chipsets are poor at best) - maybe it is time to save your $$$ for a new rig.
 
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Hey guys tahnks for your input, I have recently come to this website with cheap RAM parts. They are of Acer model RAM but they are also made from the same company of my currect desktop (Acer Aspire M1641)
http://www.macmemorystore.com/Acer-Aspire/M1641-ram-memory.html

Is it wise to buy from Acer? or would it be better to get the RAM bugleboy has recommended?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631346&CatId=2264&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=TnL5HPStwNw-frXyJFoqTXA5uUFrlk51Lw

Just looking for the cheapest yet reliable RAM parts, but not the crapiest ><
(on a budget)
 
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Whoa whoa whoa.

First off, open your case and read the motherboard model number. It's not necessarily going to be compatible with any Core 2 775 socket CPU.

My suggestion, for best value, is after you find out what CPU you can install, just get the fastest duo core ~3ghz, as the quads are not very good value (around $200 no way!). Then get 4gb of Kingston ValuRam and upgrade to Win 7 64bit. After that you might want to upgrade to a better HDD like a WD Caviar Black, Samsung Spinpoint F3, or Seagate Barracuda (7200rpm for all of them). And finally for gaming, a new GPU would make a big difference. A 5770 is one of the absolute best bang for your buck GPUs available right now.
 
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uh well I did find the motherboard number I think.

Anyways, I would like to have someone's input to my semi-final upgrade solution:
replacing
Intel® Pentium® Processor E2180 (1M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
w/
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E7600
(3M Cache, 3.06 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115059

Replacing:
my currect ACER 1GBx2 RAM
w/
Corsair XMS2 4GB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory Upgrade - 2x2048MB
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631346&CatId=3412

Specs:
Acer Aspire M1641 with a Nvidia MCP73 motherboard *LGA 775
Windows 7 32 bit
Corsair 430 watt PSU

System
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Manufacturer ACER
Model Aspire M1641
Total amount of system memory 2.00 GB RAM
System type 32-bit operating system
Number of processor cores 2
64-bit capable Yes

Graphics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Display adapter type NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
Total available graphics memory 1791 MB
Dedicated graphics memory 1024 MB
Dedicated system memory 0 MB
Shared system memory 767 MB
Display adapter driver version 8.17.12.7533
Primary monitor resolution 1280x1024
DirectX version DirectX 10

Network
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network Adapter NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller
Network Adapter Compact Wireless-G USB Adapter


 
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The RAM, yes.

But I still can't tell which mobo you have exactly. However, it seems to be either an nForce 500 or 600 series. In that case:
http://www.nvidia.com/content/nforce700i/nForce_Intel_CPU_List.pdf

According to the list for dual cores, you can use E6300-6800, or E8200-8600. Not the one you chose, though.

I'd maybe try emailing Acer or using a live help chat about which CPUs will work. The Acer site does show 3 BIOS revisions for your PC, but there's zero documentation on it and I can't find a proper compatibility list.
 
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Hmm yeah well Thanks for looking up that stuff up WOLF! ><
but the problem is that I have tried to contact ACEr B4 but there is no support unless I were to have a warrenty which expired a few years ago, and they want me to buy another warrenty which I am not even thinking of right now.

Well I found out that my version of the nvidia motherboard can't be identified, I opened the PC my self and there was no indication of its model number besides of what I posted earlier Nvidia MCP73. And yes I know what a mtoherboard model number looks like XD
Though I did find a forum post about my motherboard (http://www.fixya.com/support/t5520664-please_may_tell) This guy couldn't find it either, but he guessed that it is like the MICROSTAR board. and from the link that he has posted and I followed to the CPU compatibility list: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/P45T-C51.html#?div=CPUSupport

IDK really confused about the compatibility of the CPU to my motherboad
 
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Well, you know, it looks like you have around $200.

You can get, for example, this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660813
AMD Phenom II X4 925 2.8ghz quad core plus motherboard
$165

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.661996
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.4ghz quad core plus motherboard
$222

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660352
Intel i3-2100 3.1ghz dual core with hyperthreading and motherboard
$193
 
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yeah well I dont want to replace my motherboard right now. Don't want to reinstall everything. and yes I am cheap like that, I am a student and with no job ATM so yeah go figure ><

But would replacing my Intel® Pentium® Processor E2180 (1M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
w/
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E7600
(3M Cache, 3.06 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115059
still look like an option? though my motherboard is an unknown
 
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Um... PII and C2Q are pretty much neck and neck, at least to a point of being inconsequential. Also, we DO NOT KNOW what CPUs his motherboard will support. He buys the wrong one, and he's out all that cash. And he's not even looking at a C2Q, and if he was, the cheapest one is the Q8400 2.66ghz at $182.

inerstrenth: You're looking at a $150 CPU, which is way too expensive for what you're getting and for an extra $15 you get a new PII X4 plus the motherboard. Given that, and the fact that we don't even know if the CPU will work, it seems pretty silly to buy it.

So basically, new dual core CPU = $150. New C2Q = $182. And a whole new motherboard upgrade, with DDR3 support - which is cheaper than DDR2 and faster, and which will actually support overclocking, plus a new PII 925, for just $165... if you want value, it seems rather clear. Or buck up another $30 and you can get a sandy bridge CPU plus mobo (faster than the PII 925)

Not to mention the PII 925 is faster than the Q8400:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/81?vs=89
i3 2100 vs

Now, if you just really don't want to upgrade the motherboard for whatever reason, then you should spend as little as possible rather than buy that overpriced C2D E7600. FYI the only things you'd really need to reinstall is drivers. Easiest thing to do IMO would be a windows repair install after the new hardware is installed. Or, buy a Win 7 64bit license which you can take with you whenever you build a new PC.

But anyway, this one is much more reasonable: E6600 3.06ghz $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116347

But will it work? :sarcastic:
 
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you have a Nforce 620i chipset
this is Nvidia Chipset CPU compatibility chart
http://www.nvidia.com/content/nforce700i/nForce_Intel_CPU_List.pdf

look under 6 series on chart

the motherboard does have to be able to support the FSB
your currently at 800mhz FSB and more than likely your mobo
only goes up to 1066mhz

usuall it is 800/1066 or 1066/1333

the safe bet would be a Conroe 65w 65nm like the X6800
or maybe a Kentsfield like the Q6600 or Q6700

but the problem is the price of a good enough CPU to make the upgrade worthwhile
(at least want to jump about 500mhz ie 2.0 to 2.66) is kinda of high

Look on Ebay for used CPUs cheap otherwise not worth it

a I3 2100 and mobo would be about the same and blow away any of those CPUs
 
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WOW WOLF you are amazing!!
IDK how I overlooked the e6600 ><, but the e6800 looks soo much better! XD too bad its not compatible. But I would still be able to use the e6700 right? (being a bit paranoid of the compatibility ><)
Oh and I think I would need to update my BIOs after changing my CPU right?
 
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just looked at Wolfs link
(good job Wolf)
On Nvidia chipset list
http://www.nvidia.com/content/nforce700i/nForce_Intel_CPU_List.pdf?ClickID=ak9pawrl9krpzp9zwnopasttprr5zwvk5sks

they do list Wolfdales 45nm cpus as compatible (whicht the Pentium E6600 is though they dont specifically mention it)
and it is at 1066mhz which is a safer bet

be careful since there is a Core2Duo E6600 if you are shopping around
which is weaker than the Pentium E6600

only thing is some motherboards wont support the 45nm chips due to voltages being different
depends on motherboard and the voltage regulator being used

your E2180 is a 65nm chip so the safer bet is sticking with another 65nm chip

BUT the chance of the Pentium E6600 working and the performance it would give
would be worth it

did you try CPU-Z to see if it listed a motherboard model
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

good free program
might give mobo maker and model
 
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King, I used the CPUID like a week ago and all it gave me was MPC73, nvidia MCP73, chipset Geforce 7050

King you got me all confused with the 45nm ><
But I am looking for a dual/duo core (double core) NOW I am getting confused with the dual and the core 2 duo >< which one is better!
the Intel® Pentium® Processor E6700 (2M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 1066 FSB) is a 45nm
I am really confusing my self here >< looks like the CPU^ is a double core lol XD

Hmmm well the nvidia compatibility list is like 2008 so maybe outdated?????
this is soo frustrating, my motherboard is an unknown (uncommon) ><
 
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the Intel® Pentium® Processor E6700 (2M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 1066 FSB) is a 45nm what is the worst case scenario that when I replace the 65nm (current CPU) with 45nm????

Oh and the samething about the cache, since the e6700 has like a intel smart cache and my current CPU is a L2 cache, is there a problem with that?

my current CPU is a 775 socket looks like it is compatible but it is not on the compatibility list, not going to look for the date of when the e6700 was made GTG and do stuff out of the house lol 😀. But I bet it came out after the compatibility manual thingy came out, or not IDK but the e6700 is made from wolfdale
 
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just naming

Pentium Dual Core
and
Core2Duo
are both two cores

what intel did (still does) is make a Core2Duo and then make a Pentium version
with a few less "features"

a newer Pentium Dual Core like the E6600 is better than
a older Core2Duo E6600 though

45nm and 65nm just refers to the physicial die size of CPU
45nm is newer and better
though has slightly different voltage requirements

You know if you could find a seller with the Pentium E6600 that had
a good return policy.............

nothing wrong with trying a product and if it doesnt work returning it :)

anly takes about 15 minutes to swap out CPUs
and would just cost you return shipping if it didnt work

some might question the ethics though......
 
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