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Although I agree you really can't compare next gen to current gen. From what we have seen from AM2 in the way of benchmarks it doesn't look near as impressive. Granted it was with 667ddr2 vs 800ddr2 which is what it will be released with. I don't expect it to make up that much of a difference, AMD is effected more by latency in ram than speed. I do believe it will push them to figure out a way to make the 65nm release a big improvement in performance at the end of the year. I think if Conroe holds true, we will have a 3ghz AMD even sooner than anticipated. This is great because we finally have a competition just like video cards, we all win. Look at the improvement in cards in just the last 2 years.
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Lol, it isn't anything like video cards! Video card markets are split nearly down the middle with a little sliver more to Nvidia. Intel dominates x86 chip sales. Also, a 3ghz AMD could be a reality, but it would be impossible to overclock. Also, it will still be easily outperformed by the 2.66 Conroe.
 
Merom will retain good battery life, he claimed. Conroe will give a 40 per cent improvement in performance with a 40 per cent reduction in power, he said. He reckons Woodcrest will give an 80 per cent improvement in performance and a 35 per cent reduction in power
- http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30111
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Inquirer is BS and so is any exec. But, the review speaks for itself.
 
Yup, conroe looks quite good. Those graphics cards, and crossfire rather suck though.
In the THG review of the FX60, they used a single 7800GTX, and the fx did 124.4 frames in quack4. If you take into account the extra clock speed, looks like crossfire and the X1900XTs really aren't any better than the single 7800GTX.
 
Yup, conroe looks quite good. Those graphics cards, and crossfire rather suck though.
In the THG review of the FX60, they used a single 7800GTX, and the fx did 124.4 frames in quack4. If you take into account the extra clock speed, looks like crossfire and the X1900XTs really aren't any better than the single 7800GTX.
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Hm, X1900's should be easiler more powerful than a 7800. Smell unfair reviews, anyone?
 
Nice performance gains over the older intel chip. The benchmarks looks promising for the Conroe architecture. Pretty sure AMD with next gen chip will be the similar or better performance. Oh snap!
 
just because you say doesnt meen so. Does amd already have a planed out core? I bet not, and also who knows how long it will take them to make another core from the ground up again (K10 will be next i guess, since K9 is the dual core series!?) But since there is no release, and no, its not because its trying to increase hype (cause the logic of the new core would have been released a while ago if so) its because they have no idea what its going to be based on and what its going to be like, there just working on the AM2 and the quad core for the socket F boards.
 
just because you say doesnt meen so. Does amd already have a planed out core? I bet not, and also who knows how long it will take them to make another core from the ground up again (K10 will be next i guess, since K9 is the dual core series!?) But since there is no release, and no, its not because its trying to increase hype (cause the logic of the new core would have been released a while ago if so) its because they have no idea what its going to be based on and what its going to be like, there just working on the AM2 and the quad core for the socket F boards.
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If you think AM2 and Socket F are the only things they are planning, you are mistaken. Both companies plan out their road maps about 5 years in advance, though they do change drastically over that time.

I do think AMD will be a bit suprosed by Conroe's performance, but to say AMD has been doing nothing progress wise at all is being a bit blind.
 
For me I just like to see the competition....both companies are good companies......the fact of the matter is AMD toasted intel for the past couple of years and now it seems Intel has caught up and maybe even surpassed AMD.......don't fret....this is a good thing for AMD and for Intel.....oh and last but not least it is good for US as we are the ones who benefit from the competition.....so I say bravo Intel bring it on.......and now it is time for AMD to step up....
 
Sorry the only way a company can hold the "crown" is if they have the product out and in quantive numbers to fulfil the demand. Intel still has a while before their product reaches the market and even then it may only be out in a very limited number. One thing i do respect from AMD they usually don't give out a speculated launch unless they know they will hit the mark

The only reason am2 was announced was because the FX-60 was announced to be the last 939 socket set. And the 60 was released within a month of its announcement.

Intel is trying to create some hype. Looking at similar industries this has been done before and many times over. 4-6 months prior to launch is a long time in this market and the goal is to have people wait that time out before going out and upgrading thier systems. The reality of it is there is no guarentee that the product may ever hit the streets/masses.

One thing I am very curioius about is if the conroe is even 64bit? Yea the argument of importance of 64 bit was already stated but once again Vista has been set to launch later this year. If conroe's are not 64 bit then they are already limited to their lifespan. Yes 64 bit technology hasn't been utilzed much in the past, why would a company spend the extra time/money to invest to have true 64 bit compatibilty when most home systems are not true 64 bit. Sorry to all you XP64 thats not a true 64 bit OS it was a converted OS where Vista is built ground up as a 64bit OS. When it comes to high end processors gamers don't make up the only market for it, if memory serves me right more graphic users (artists,web designers, video editors) make up the majority of the consumers for the high end processor market.

As for marketing AMD has it on easy street. Since they are using older technology they don't have to to put out for the cost of changing out factories to handle the new architecture like Intel does. And they know since they have the leading processors on the market they can easily milk it. They can drop prices at any time and still make a profit from their current price point. Also since Intel feels they are above the law and have been using illegal marketing methods, AMD is collecting from antitrust lawsuites. That is in fact how they really got serious about the processor market since Intel screwed them out of a contract that they had in the mid 80's.

Also pricing of the Conroe's even though thats the slated MSRP doesn't mean thats going to be the market price. So yea the FX-60 may be selling at 1k now but by the time it has real world competition (which by then would also be older gen to the AM2) it could easily drop down to a few hundred dollars.

To think AMD has not looked into the 65nm architecture is pure ignorance. If they hadn't started R&D prior to Intel announcing they were going to 65nm, after the anouncement they would of been forced to. Looking at AMD's past Its pretty easy to guess that they are moving to AM2 for more then a few clock cycles and ddr2 technology. AMD usually doesnt make major changes like this unless they are planning to open the way for newer technology.

I have to give credit to AMD with the AM2 announcement at the same time of the FX-60. Those that buy the 60 know at that time they can never upgrade their processor past that point w/o having to upgrade more components.

Right now the comparison is nothing more then apples to oranges done so to excite the simple minded that wet themselves before they are even close to touching, premature-ej 😳 ...
 
Where is those AMD Fan Bullys? Eating alot of crow?

I hope they never show their ugly faces again.

AMD never beat Intel like that, ever.
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OUR DAY HAS COME

AND SINCE THEY PAID US OUT FOR HINTING EVEN A WORD OF INTEL, THEY CAN HEAR OUR CONROE WORDS FOR A YEAH HEHEHE

Someone shut this wanker up, I've seen spambots give better posts then his sh¡t & dribble....
 
Both Intel and Amd fanboys are just Dumb people. I use both computers. What I think Intel conroe Has is sse4. And Am2 Might Change the way you look at computers. And both intel and Amd always leap frogs each other in computer tech. It dont matter if it was 1 week or 3 years. But that Helps Both Amd and Intel in the long run. Face the facts both Intel and Amd Fanboys. If one company falls apart the other computer company can make small updates. Like 10mhz and say it a update with no worries. Then charge a arm and a leg. Hell I dont want that do any of you?

All Fanboys Rot in hell.
 
Where is those AMD Fan Bullys? Eating alot of crow?

I hope they never show their ugly faces again.

AMD never beat Intel like that, ever.
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OUR DAY HAS COME

AND SINCE THEY PAID US OUT FOR HINTING EVEN A WORD OF INTEL, THEY CAN HEAR OUR CONROE WORDS FOR A YEAH HEHEHE

Someone shut this wanker up, I've seen spambots give better posts then his sh¡t & dribble....

I have been putting up with amd fanboy bs for months for saying anythin bout intel, there are more amd fanboys then intel fanboys in reality and its time for them to hear the name of Intel Conroe.

Chill Noob
 
Yeah I agree man. I am just soooooooooo freakin sick of everybody bashing Intel. Every day coming into these forums, AMD this, AMD that. I'm sure at one time, it was the opposite.

The thing is, when conroe hits the street and we really realize its true potential, we can always go back to all of the old posts and realize just how silly we really are.
 
Agreed. These tests might have had any number of confounding factors, such as video driver issues, chipset differences, etc. I think it might have been more useful to compare Conroe to current Intel where as much as possible is the same except the CPU. Conroe may very well leave current AMD in its dust (I'm not a fanboi), but I'm not sure this test really showed it.
 
Has any1 noticed that thr is no such thing as a 2.8GHZ AMD 64 X2, that they tested conroe against?
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Hmmmm, let's see...reported..."Over clocked" AMD 64 FX-60.... do you suppose this was done intentionally? Perhaps even to prognosticate the comparision that will be done in the future as the only step for AMD is speed bumps....hmmmmm

A better observation would be why AT reported an FX-60 (which is dual core BTW) but labeled graphs as 2.8 X2s....I believe he typo'ed.
In the next few months, that is all AMD will be doing. DDR2 with AM2, higher clocks, that's it.
 
That is very true man. Intel can only compare to what's available today and until both AM2 and Conroe come out, we just won't know how they will compete.

I'm just happy that Intel has finally made some good things come to life and seems to be headed in the right direction.
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Oh my f*cking god, I love you. I can shut dvdpiddy and madmodmike the hell up now! watch what you say ak i'll find you know that!
 
Yeah they made a lot of money, but then again Intel could release inferior processors for another 3 years and still finish in the black. Performance wise their product was limping indeed compared to AMD's offerings.
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Limping along for 3 years????? By my count the AMD 64 has been out for only 2 years or so. As previously stated the Northwood cored P4's ripped shreds off the Socket A AMD's
 
Strange,i can't see MadModMike posting here. What, was that totally unexpected? Even Intel can't fake results to that extent.
I just checked the FX 60 performance results and they are corect on games.
And you can't really say it's not fair to compare those chips since:
FX 60 is 1000$ now
Conroe 2.66 will be 500$ in august

Seems quite fair.
AMD will have to think of something. They were soooo found of themselves. Lets see how ahead they will be in 6 months time or should i say how behinf they will be!
 
AMD64 came out in 2003. Maybe its just coincidence, but that was also the year in which AMD made its heaviest loss ever ($854M) :?
 
Seems interesting to me that nobody has mentioned the most immediate benefit to come from a 64bit processor....


More addressable memory. The old standard was 3.5 to 4GB. I think there are boards out now that can handle up to 16GB per processor. Seems like something that would be useful when computing large numbers or processor multiple files at once. Again it may not be used by very many people, but you can gain this advantage even using 32bit OS's.

P.S. put me down as someone who will be skeptical until I see both of the new generation architechures for AMD and Intel before I "Crown" the new king.
 
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