Intel regains crown

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Quote: prozac - The test was stupid. They tested current gen AMD to a next gen Intel. Where's the comparison? It's unfair. But Intel is making huge improvements, which is good.

The pentium 4 released way before the A64 and they compared the A64 to that the whole time, so in your opinion it shouldnt have been fair to compare the A64 to Pentium 4 correct?

Im not trying to piss you off, but what I am trying to show here is that they are just trying to show what benchies on what is currently available, im sure they would show them in AM2 if they could. The reason why I went from my P4 660 system to the one you see below is because the chip as a whole was a newer technology that performs better...thats all im saying!!!

Antec NeoHE 550w PS
DFI Lan Party UT NF4 Ultra
AMD Athlon 3700+ Sandy @ 2.8ghz (10x280) - "Arctic Freezer 64"
2gb (2x1gb) Patriot Performance Memory (2-3-2-5)
ATI Original X1900XT
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AM2 is not ready to be tested. DDR2 will offer 10% more performance over DDR1 K8 anyway, so it isn't any loss at all. A 2.8ghz Toledo was the best they could do.
 
Both Intel and Amd fanboys are just Dumb people. I use both computers. What I think Intel conroe Has is sse4. And Am2 Might Change the way you look at computers. And both intel and Amd always leap frogs each other in computer tech. It dont matter if it was 1 week or 3 years. But that Helps Both Amd and Intel in the long run. Face the facts both Intel and Amd Fanboys. If one company falls apart the other computer company can make small updates. Like 10mhz and say it a update with no worries. Then charge a arm and a leg. Hell I dont want that do any of you?

All Fanboys Rot in hell.
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I couldn't agree more........
 
Intel regains crown

Check out these benchies ..

I don't usually believe in benchmarks so this is for everyone else's enjoyment. I usually take these for what their worth.


http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=1
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Not in my opinion. The crown won't be handed over until Intel delivers in quantity to the general public.
 
Intel regains crown

Check out these benchies ..

I don't usually believe in benchmarks so this is for everyone else's enjoyment. I usually take these for what their worth.


http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=1
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Not in my opinion. The crown won't be handed over until Intel delivers in quantity to the general public.

Intel has 4 65nm factories in full production. This is not even an issue...
 
Intel regains crown

Check out these benchies ..

I don't usually believe in benchmarks so this is for everyone else's enjoyment. I usually take these for what their worth.


http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=1
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Not in my opinion. The crown won't be handed over until Intel delivers in quantity to the general public.

Intel has 4 65nm factories in full production. This is not even an issue...

My point was that it all means nothing until the processor is available for us computer geeks to buy. AMD is still king until I can go to NewEgg and get a Conroe and supporting motherboard for it.

It's the equivalent to winning the election, but not being sworn into office yet (minus a recount or two). It hasn't happened until it happens!
 
Intel regains crown

Check out these benchies ..

I don't usually believe in benchmarks so this is for everyone else's enjoyment. I usually take these for what their worth.


http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=1
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Not in my opinion. The crown won't be handed over until Intel delivers in quantity to the general public.

Intel has 4 65nm factories in full production. This is not even an issue...

My point was that it all means nothing until the processor is available for us computer geeks to buy. AMD is still king until I can go to NewEgg and get a Conroe and supporting motherboard for it.

It's the equivalent to winning the election, but not being sworn into office yet (minus a recount or two). It hasn't happened until it happens!

So, if Conroe didn't show an increase in performance as it did on that bentchmark.. would you still stand by your statement?

Obviously this thread wouldn't have started.. :lol:
 
You made my point has the video card industry always been split down the middle? NO. Before the 9700/9500 ATI, people buying a highend card weren't looking at ATI. Besides I wasn't talking about overall sales. I was strictly speaking performance. Nvidia dominated with its geforce2,3,4. From a high end stand point I don't know anyone back then that ran ATI. Now its a different ball game you have 2 companies that make excellent cards. Do you think we would have the cards we have today from Nvidia if they hadn't been smacked down for 2 years by ATI?
 
Bottom line here is that until there's real-world benchmarks performed with each company's latest generation product at launch time, the argument that AMD is better than Intel or vice-versa holds no water. Everything always looks good on paper, and sure, a new-generation of processor damn well better be an improvement over the last, but the head to head on the finished products must be done to determine who is the performance leader.

How many times have you seen a review on a latest-generation graphics card and found that in some benchmarks, the new video card gets the crap kicked out of it by the old because of a bad or beta driver? The same can be said here for the AM2 benchmarks; until the completed chipsets and latest firmware / BIOS updates are available, how can you truly judge?

At least one thing can be said in AMD's favor; they do at least get a bit more life out of a chipset by making it compatible with a wider range of products. When was the last time Intel came out with a CPU that didn't need a new chipset or type of RAM? They went from RDRAM to DDR, socket 423 to 478, needed an entirely new chipset just for their dual-core CPUs.... you get the idea.
 
I think... any new advancement to technology processor wise, or even graphic's wise... will pretty much be a new chipset.

I wouldn't be suprised if AMD did come out with something better right off the bat, but requires you to move to another platform.
 
Bottom line here is that until there's real-world benchmarks performed with each company's latest generation product at launch time, the argument that AMD is better than Intel or vice-versa holds no water. Everything always looks good on paper, and sure, a new-generation of processor damn well better be an improvement over the last, but the head to head on the finished products must be done to determine who is the performance leader.

How many times have you seen a review on a latest-generation graphics card and found that in some benchmarks, the new video card gets the crap kicked out of it by the old because of a bad or beta driver? The same can be said here for the AM2 benchmarks; until the completed chipsets and latest firmware / BIOS updates are available, how can you truly judge?

At least one thing can be said in AMD's favor; they do at least get a bit more life out of a chipset by making it compatible with a wider range of products. When was the last time Intel came out with a CPU that didn't need a new chipset or type of RAM? They went from RDRAM to DDR, socket 423 to 478, needed an entirely new chipset just for their dual-core CPUs.... you get the idea.
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They use 975X chipsets-the same used in the test. Although I absolutely agree Intel switches around a lot, AMD will switch soon to AM2 and DDR2 as well. However, the nForce 4 chipsets by Nvidia are compatible with almost all Intel 775 chips, and offer excellent performance. Personally, I think AMD should make their own chipsets/motherboards for guaranteed quality performance and a working platform-something some people value higher than overclocking/ultra power.
 
I think... any new advancement to technology processor wise, or even graphic's wise... will pretty much be a new chipset.

I wouldn't be suprised if AMD did come out with something better right off the bat, but requires you to move to another platform.
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Given AMD's switch to DDR2, a new chipset will no doubt be needed, but let's keep an eye on how long AMD stays with the AM2-DDR2 platform before making a switch.

Anytime there's a fundamental change in a CPU architecture, changes to the supporting hardware are often inevitable, I just think that Intel has made some extremely bad choices over the years. They really dropped the ball with the first-gen P4s because of the RDRAM, which, aside from being proprietary and super $$$ compared to DDR, just couldn't compete with DDR once it gained full steam, and it was also a complete lack of foresight on their part not to see that their dual-core CPUs would need a new chipset... either they didn't know or it was deliberate to milk more $$$, depending on who you ask.

Let's hope with all of this money they've pumped into the R&D for the next generation CPUs and the switch to 65nm that they'll show some longevity and stability for once.
 
AMD simply does not have the resources to manufacture their own chipsets like Intel.
Anyways to end this little argument between fanboy groups, I'll buy the Conroe and a nice Socket M2 system, and put them right next to each other where they belong. :)
 
I'm all for healthy competition, but to compare an AMD 2.4 Ghz Operton to a next generation chip when there is currently a AMD 2.8 Ghz Operton available is hitting below the belt. Has no one else noticed the chip they chose to do the competition against? It be the same as AMD putting a their 4800+ against an old Intel 3.0 Ghz saying how much better they are.
 
Come on people... Do you really have the expectation that AMD would take and maintain a performance lead over Intel for all eternity?
Is it that hard to accept that maybe just maybe Intel might take a performance lead back?

I honestly don't care between the two companies - I have both systems at home.

But all this speculation and everything is just plain silly! You can somewhat compare the Intel/AMD performance competition to the graphics card market. One generation nvidia will lead, then the next, ati. It just doesn't happen as quickly for the CPU market. Intel had P3's, AMD came in and took it. Intel got it back for a brief period, AMD came in and took it. Now its Intel's turn again. It might or might not last that long, but I'm sure AMD will come in at some point and take it back!

Realize that rearchitecting a processor is no small task. It takes years to do. I'm sure AMD has something in the works.... so don't worry and start bashing everyone, just let Intel have its turn.
 
This is not a 2.4 AMD but a FASTER THAN CURRENTLY AVAILABLE AMD!

These are interesting results without a doubt, notice they are comparing a mid range Conroe CPU with 667MHz mem (not the 800MHz that will it will be launched with), pitted against a future top end FX-62. Now AMD does have Socket AM2 awaiting launch with DDR2, but this is not expected to be a major performance leap, and maybe even a slight hit due to latencies.

This was Intel's 2.66GHz clocked Conroe (a non extreme version using underclocked RAM and not the 3GHz version that will be launched) being benched against AMD's future extreme version dual core FX 2.8GHz!

Clearly it appears that Intel's Conroe is going to come out strong and scale up fast, which may indeed make it one of the best overclockable chips to date, always a plus for enthusiasts!

If anything, it appears the tests were in AMD's favor.
 
This is not a 2.4 AMD but a FASTER THAN CURRENTLY AVAILABLE AMD!

These are interesting results without a doubt, notice they are comparing a mid range Conroe CPU with 667MHz mem (not the 800MHz that will it will be launched with), pitted against a future top end FX-62. Now AMD does have Socket AM2 awaiting launch with DDR2, but this is not expected to be a major performance leap, and maybe even a slight hit due to latencies.

This was Intel's 2.66GHz clocked Conroe (a non extreme version using underclocked RAM and not the 3GHz version that will be launched) being benched against AMD's future extreme version dual core FX 2.8GHz!

Clearly it appears that Intel's Conroe is going to come out strong and scale up fast, which may indeed make it one of the best overclockable chips to date, always a plus for enthusiasts!

If anything, it appears the tests were in AMD's favor.
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If Intel's Conroe can boast that kind of advantage at launch and it can still overtake the AM2, all the power to them. AMD has been putting out some fantastic products over the last few years, and it just means AMD will strike back with something better.

I wouldn't, however, expect too much from today's benchmarks; while Windows XP is still the flavour of choice right now, we'll all need new CPUs by the time Vista launches, so even though the battle of the CPUs will produce some great products over the next little while, I wouldn't look into the numbers too much.
 
I for one hope Conroe whoops AM2's ass. Then AMD can come up with something even more fantastic. Either way, we as the consumers are the winner. XD
 
yeah, I agree that AMD has been putting out some good products. I think by throwing Intel back into the mix, we'll have more choices to make. I like that idea.
 
This is all very interesting,
But what socket/chipset will the Conroe use? I hear it's not the 975
From what little I know about PCs, such a major design change usually requires a new socket/chipset.
I've seen new sockets & chipsets required for lesser reasons.
 
This is all very interesting,
But what socket/chipset will the Conroe use? I hear it's not the 975
From what little I know about PCs, such a major design change usually requires a new socket/chipset.
I've seen new sockets & chipsets required for lesser reasons.
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It should use socket T (775) with the 975X chipset, that was used for the benchies. Never know though; Intel could Jew us just because they can.
 
This is all very interesting,
But what socket/chipset will the Conroe use? I hear it's not the 975
From what little I know about PCs, such a major design change usually requires a new socket/chipset.
I've seen new sockets & chipsets required for lesser reasons.
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This goes back to my point a few posts up that Intel's one problem over the years has been switching supporting hardware too much. They jumped from RDRAM to DDR to DDR2, Socket 423 to 478 to 775, new chipset just for the dual-core chips, and God knows how many chipsets period.

Given the change in architecture, it's for absolute sure that Conroe will either stick with an existing but incompatible socket design (Much like the new AMD socket 940 being incompatible with the old), or a completely new socket design. AMD has always had the upper hand in terms of chipset / socket life and consistency, so let's hope Intel will do the same for some time to come. They did it with the 440BX chipset, which was arguably the best chipset ever in terms of its innovation and life, so what's to stop them now?
 
This is all very interesting,
But what socket/chipset will the Conroe use? I hear it's not the 975
From what little I know about PCs, such a major design change usually requires a new socket/chipset.
I've seen new sockets & chipsets required for lesser reasons.
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This goes back to my point a few posts up that Intel's one problem over the years has been switching supporting hardware too much. They jumped from RDRAM to DDR to DDR2, Socket 423 to 478 to 775, new chipset just for the dual-core chips, and God knows how many chipsets period.

Given the change in architecture, it's for absolute sure that Conroe will either stick with an existing but incompatible socket design (Much like the new AMD socket 940 being incompatible with the old), or a completely new socket design. AMD has always had the upper hand in terms of chipset / socket life and consistency, so let's hope Intel will do the same for some time to come. They did it with the 440BX chipset, which was arguably the best chipset ever in terms of its innovation and life, so what's to stop them now?
Intel has agreed to use 775 on Conroe, this has been confirmed. Again, the 975X is Conroe ready...what chipset do you think anandtech used to test it?
 
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