Intel Reveals 16 New Sandy Bridge CPUs & Price Cuts

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If the rumors are valid, Intel is planning to counter with a 2800K (6core) for current P67/Z68 platforms and will be released shortly on or after Bulldozer's release date. Which is great for users like you and me that have invested in this platform. 6 cores of Sandy Bridge means it will hold it's ground versus Intels LGA2011 processors...I'm certain of that!
 
Why am I reading a bunch of posts about complaints on these price cuts? Who cares if it is only $10? It's cheaper than it was yesterday. What's so wrong with that?
 
[citation][nom]eltoro[/nom]I'm sticking with my Q9650@3.6GHz for now.The real price reduction will happen when AMD will release their Zambezi CPUs.At that point Intel would have to do a drastic price reduction of their top range CPUs, or release new faster models, or most probably both.[/citation]

That's assuming Bulldozer lives up to the hype. Based on alot of the info out there, I think Bulldozer at 4.2GHz will be about 5% faster than the 2600K at 3.8GHz. And that's nothing for AMD to cheer about. What they have going for them is the "8 core" branding which will gain a lot of attention in the mainstream. For the average consumer that knows nothing about how to measure performance and what have you, 8 cores sounds much better to me than 4 or 6 cores, which is what Intel's current line up is comprised of. I don't think an additional 6 core processor to Intel's line up or even a price reduction will help Intel more than say adding an 8 core processor to its line up. In some ways, AMD has Intel by the soccer balls. Then again, for the enthusiast, we know which cores are better. However, how many people/concumers out there really know the difference? In the end, 8 is a lot more than 6.
 
Can't upgrade because I'm stuck in Socket 1366.

Intel dudes thought that they would sell me an extra chipset with the processor, but instead the will not even sell a processor to me.
 
[citation][nom]jsc[/nom]No. The chips come off the same lines. If they fail any of the testing, they are simply binned at a lower speed, smaller cache, fewer cores, or higher TDP.Better to make some money on a chip than no money. Intel has been doing this since the 386DX days. It's the same thing AMD does with the X2 and X3 chips.[/citation]

Yeah! Well said. Econ 101 called it "Price Discrimination" and with proper policing, (Not in today's America) the FTC would go after it.
 
Hey Intel Mafia!! I won't buy ANYTHING from you "family of processors" at ANY price point! The consumer is fortunate to have AMD give you a run for your dirty money.
 
I still want to know what room full of idiots comes up with this crap? Nobody, not even intel knows what they are shipping out to people.

Who is going to wet their pants and say I got an awesome spanking I3-2130!? I bet only .5% of the people who own a i-whatever-the-F-it-Is even know what they have. They simple bought a PC at a price point and went with it.

Person A "What kind of PC do you have?"
Person B "An HP with an intel CPU that costs me $589.95 at Best Buy".
Person A "what makes it better than last years model"
Person B "I have no idea"

Seriously, look at the chart.

Core i7-2960XM 4 / 8 2.7 / 3.7 GHz 8 MB 650 / 1,300 MHz 55 W $ 1,096
Core i7 2860QM 4 / 8 2.5 / 3.6 GHz 8 MB 650 / 1,300 MHz 45 W $ 0,568

For the jump of 200Mhz... the idiot who buys this crap spends double. There is a huge change in the model number and character codes - then the only difference is 200Mhz? What does X and Q mean? Why 2960 and 2860? They have nothing to do with any relationship whatso-ever.

I think I figured it out. i7 CPUs have 4 cores and 8 threads! Thats it! Uh nope:
We have i3, i5 and i7 CPUs that 2 cores and 4 threads!

All these Fracking numbers and letters are useless! P4 3.2Mhz (simple). AMD is not a whole lot better lately. Lets see... "A8-3850"

A-Series = Desktop standard CPUs.
#- = Cores. "A4-" = 2 cores, "A5-" = 3 cores, "A6- & A8-" = 4 cores.
3 is the generatio (Think Athlon III I guess)
x0x = GPU tech. Hince... A6-3650 has slower GPU but faster CPU than the A8-3800.

Its possible to make some sense with that, but its STILL CRAP.
How to name an AMD CPU that most people can understand.

A3-XC##G A3 (Athlon III)-Xcores (XC) Ghz clock (##) GPU class (G)
While on paper the GPUs have a model number, (6410, 6530 6550 is meaningless) as they come with whatever goes with the CPU.

Mine (AMD) Why?
A3-X2250 (A4-3300) 2 cores, 2.5Ghz, standard GPU
A3-X4260 (A6-3650) 4 cores, 2.6Ghz, standard GPU (6530)
A3-X4295 (A8-3850) 4 cores, 2.9ghz, enhanced GPU (6550)

Tack on an M for Mobile and "L" for Low power when needed.
With THOSE kind of model numbers, you know what you're getting - mostly (nothing in Cache is needed in the model number)

So, if AMD went with my model numbers and came out next week with the A3-X4320 and a A3-x4365... you'd know that they were 4 cores with a 3.2Ghz and 3.6Ghz CPUs with the later being the better GPU as well.

AMD is not as bad as intel. And with Bulldozer, they have a chance to make better model numbers. P3-4300 (Phenom III) 4 core, 3.0Ghz standard GPU. The X is not really needed... but looks better to avg. joe, I think.

Meanwhile with i3, i5, i7 - you're not going to know how many cores and whatever else you're getting without a decoder ring and chart. For me, its a turn off.

 
AMD is not the top CPU performer, but you get way more for your money. For now, I'm doing just fine with an AMD Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition Heka 2.8Ghz($60) unlocked on my Gigabyte MB($59) to quad running stable 3.2Ghz. Even this is beyong what most people will currently need.
Intel just ratcheted down their earnings outlook for next year on soft demand. PC sales have slowed to a crawl, growing just 2% worldwide last quarter and falling 6% in the United States. The bad economy is a factor, but with the growth of Web-based applications, cloud storage, and tablets like the iPad, the semi-conductor landscape is changing rapidly. With HP spinning off its PC division, there are clear signs that the PC business may not be as lucrative as it once was.
 
Hsir135: agreed... I'm still on my Q6600. I'm waiting for Bulldozer... and it should last me a good 4-6 years. Kind of like the OLD days of computers when a C=64, AppleII, Amiga lasted you a good 5 years or so. During the 90s~00, with the sloppy demands of Windows and gaming, we needed more powerful hardware. MS finally got their OS running good in that system requirements don't go up. AmigaOS 3.0 for example offered 4x the abilities, yet had a smaller memory foot print and better performance.

Today, $400 gets you roughly a 3Ghz / 4GB / 1TB computer that'll do what most people need. The difference in getting a $700 HP is nominal for most users.

Gaming? The consoles have taken over... 100,000 sales for a PC is a blockbuster, but its a failure in the console market. Most games are developed for consoles then ported (if ever... HALO3?) to PC... usually rendering a $400 gaming card to doing nothing. I haven't bought a PS3 yet... maybe a PS4... its been a long time since I bought a new game. Heavy DRM by EA and such means I've refused to buy games with limited installs and system-wrecking root-kits. Sorry, my computer is more a tool than a gaming device.

No games = no need for $300+ gaming cards. Which also means R&D for future consoles should go up as well. How many people actually need or willing to spend $600~800 for a GTX580~590 card?

What happens to MS-OS? If its going to survive, its not going to be the same OS today as it will be 5-10 years from now.

The next NEW tech that would be like the PC-ERA in which hardware & software tech grows is when we have operational VR devices... and I don't know if I want to plug a system into my brain and see / feel / smell the words "© Microsoft" or "© Apple". But who knows... with the porn industry and VR like that, computers would make a comeback. When you play Halo or Star Wars, you're going to REALLY FEEL IT.

That's about 10~20 years away.
At that point, we'll be crowded into tiny containers as our homes, with only a bathroom and a place to plug in our "console"... where we'll spend our time in a VR world... cheaper to make and live in. Look what people do now in WOW, SL and other MMORPGs.
 
[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]I still want to know what room full of idiots comes up with this crap? Nobody, not even intel knows what they are shipping out to people. ...Seriously, look at the chart.
Core i7-2960XM 4 / 8 2.7 / 3.7 GHz 8 MB 650 / 1,300 MHz 55 W $ 1,096
Core i7 2860QM 4 / 8 2.5 / 3.6 GHz 8 MB 650 / 1,300 MHz 45 W $ 0,568
For the jump of 200Mhz... the idiot who buys this crap spends double. There is a huge change in the model number and character codes - then the only difference is 200Mhz? What does X and Q mean? Why 2960 and 2860? They have nothing to do with any relationship whatso-ever. I think I figured it out. i7 CPUs have 4 cores and 8 threads! Thats it! Uh nope:We have i3, i5 and i7 CPUs that 2 cores and 4 threads!All these Fracking numbers and letters are useless! ... Meanwhile with i3, i5, i7 - you're not going to know how many cores and whatever else you're getting without a decoder ring and chart. For me, its a turn off.[/citation]

TOTALLY AGREE Belardo!. THEY EFFECT THE CORPORATION WANTS IS: "JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES AND MIND, LOOK FOR THE INTEL STICKER, AND BUY$$$$"

They are achieving that. Never mind that NO everyday user SOFTWARE (Certainly not WINDOZE) CAN regularly deliver 4 threads (much less 8) threads of algorithm evenly balanced to keep the "cores" busy. It's a total bamboozle whitewash of the public. They find cores idle. They invent "turbo boost" which takes up some more real estate on the CPU die, because why penalize the few cores which are working with the power limits of the cores which are idle? It's all two steps forward and 1.5 steps back. But with plenty of marketing hype and needless product proliferation. They even take perfectly good processors, and laser burn the extra cache so that they can fill the low price point during seasons of high demand! (It's not just the weaker chips that fill low price point).

Imagine if car manufacturers did what intel does in the name of Price Discrimination/maximizing revenue: They'd be offering V-8s, but with the spark plug holes welded shut on 4 of the cylinders, call it a cadillac celeron and sell it for less to some poor schmuck.

Intel inside, Mental Outside.
 
The economic history of the US is littered with KILLER, legalized sanctioned Monopolies in every era: railroad, oil, long distance cable, diamonds, you name it! why should the wintel mafia be any different? Meanwhile they soothe us with the greatest show on earth.
 
[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]To me, Intel seems to be holding back the multi-core era at this point by still releasing Single-core Celerons and branding extreme edition to a mere quad-core.[/citation]
Eddie, have you ever parallel programmed? How many "cores" would you like?

the fact remains that moore's law of faster processors has become a core game now. Each new core reduces the total power pool available to the other cores. But yeah it sounds like progress. so cool.
 
I like Intel, but I'm gonna see exactly what the Bulldozers can do before I decide to buy a motherboard/CPU upgrade. 🙂
 

for the last time and you already know this but like me your going to build a Bulldozer unit as well.
Bulldozer will NOT beat SB period...
I do not even know if it will soundly beat Intel/Nehalem..
 
Intel would sell so many more processors if they would just keep the same sockets. I for one would love to upgrade my Q6600 but it would essentially require me to buy a whole new machine. Stop changing sockets!!!
 
[citation][nom]gmastr85[/nom]Intel would sell so many more processors if they would just keep the same sockets. I for one would love to upgrade my Q6600 but it would essentially require me to buy a whole new machine. Stop changing sockets!!![/citation]
They DO have too many sockets and socket changes, but in THAT particular case, I think you still might be out of luck, since that was the last DDR2 socket, and DDR3 has since been well established.
 
Intel would sell so many more processors if they would just keep the same sockets. I for one would love to upgrade my Q6600 but it would essentially require me to buy a whole new machine. Stop changing sockets!!!
Click to expand...
there are LGA775 DDR3 motherboards...
but with that being said, it's time to move on.
 

Interesting, I did not realize that. But yes, either way, Socket 775 is a bit old. Backwards compatibility would be nice though. Props to AMD for their socket transitions in recent years that maintain compatibility. I'd be very happy if a bios update comes out that enables my AM3 board to accept Bulldozer.
 

+1

what motherboard do you have specifically.?
 

Ya, I figured it might get an update later on, if at all. If not, then the cost of a motherboard upgrade may make Bulldozer a less attractive upgrade option for me. Thanks for the compatibility chart though!
 
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