Intel to AMD: Your x86 License Expires in 60 Days

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LOL yea i go to wikipedia just like you toi get all that crap knowlege you just have stored up in that small head of yours LOL. cyrix were bad CPU's i know i used them in collage but if AMD were not around they would be the only competition on the market which means all the amd fanboys would have been cyrix fanboys because of there hate for intel.
 
Would AMD be able to go back at Intel for taking QuickPath? My understanding was that they essentially shared these patents. But if it came down to it, surely AMD owns the patent on QuickPath. Producing Nehalems would be illegal.
 
I could be wrong, but once Intel invalidates the "sharing" contract, it invalidates its use of all three, 64bit, multi-core architecture, and on chip memory controllers(i7). Lets face it, Intel has stood on the shoulders of a giant to get back in the saddle, and now they fear that AMD may come out on top again, would you want to lose that market share again if you were in their shoes?
 
Seems everyday Intel has beef with somebody else. They must be racking up some legal fees. Intel makes some good products, but I think they things like this will only hurt them in the long run.
 
To my knowledge, having a monopoly is not illegal in the US. There are certain actions that are illegal like manipulating suppliers. However, it seems that what Intel is doing is protecting its IP and licensing. I am not condoling it but it falls within the law.
 
Honestly Intel is not worried about AMD and it's processors. What Intel does care about is protecting its IP in the x86 IS.

I 100% agree with Intel on this one. You can't spin off a company that is not a direct child of the parent company and expect all the rights given to your company to apply. I am sure Intel really wouldn't care except for the fact that this spin off is made up of other companies that do not have rights to their IP, Circumventing Intel's license program.
 
Folks, I doubt the AMD IP licensing agreements are tied to the Intel IP licensing agreements, although certainly from AMD's standpoint that would look really attractive right now. The courts striking down the contract allowing AMD the right to use Intel's IP would probably not affect the contract allowing Intel the right to use AMD's IP. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure these agreements are independent (from each other) contracts setting per-chip royalties and rights, not quid pro quo agreements.
 
I think Intel may have a legitimate claim about a breach of contract with AMD transferring the license to a different company (versus a subsidiary), but the legal ramifications of the revocation of that license may lead to significantly more questionable legal issues (such as if Intel would be considered a monopoly).

Overall, I think this demonstrates how broken our patent system is. I'm going to draw on a non-computer example that I just learned about. Did you know that agribusinesses can patent genetically modified organisms? Sure you did. Did you know that any plant that gets their genetic code is considered theirs in terms of collecting license fees, regardless of how that gene was introduced? That means if seeds are wind blown, accidentally spilled, or intentionally planted on a farmers property who didn't pay the licensing, the agribusinesses have the right to sue for use of unlicensed seeds. Even if the gene is introduced by cross-pollination without the farmer's knowledge, it is a violation - and entire historical seed banks maintained by farmers become the property of the agribusiness.

Lets go a step further - did you know that they are starting to allow existing organisms that are not genetically modified to be patented? In other words, you may wake up tomorrow and find that you have no rights to the seeds of the plants in your garden and you may be sued for illegal use of a product that is patented.

My point is this - the patent system has been corrupted and perverted. When people or companies can patent systems for tax savings based on the laws that are available to the public, there is something seriously wrong. When people or companies can take away your right to harvesting seeds and reusing them on a family farm, there is something seriously wrong. When people or companies can create patents for devices they have no intent to manufacture but will force existing devices to infringe on the patent, there is something seriously wrong.

What is the right system? I don't know - that is something we need to discuss on a societal level. How do we help the inventors of new ideas enjoy the benefits of their developments (or help companies recoup the cost of research and development) while preventing absurd legal situations that will only damage the development of society as a whole? In the United States, I don't think there will be a good answer developed until the citizenry starts educating itself, communicating openly, and fulfilling their civic duties.
 
The end of AMD in the x86 industry will spell disaster for us consumers. As AMD is the consumer's last line of defense for competition, we should wake the Intel fanboys that letting AMD going down the drain will eventually f**k them over. Technology as we know it will slow and the prices will be super inflated. There goes the $500 - $1000 computer market. Competition fuels innovation and price cutting.

Intel is the hardware version of Microsoft and this is indeed a time where true technologists unlike fanboys should start panicking. Especially with Apple using Intel, IBM cannot even compete in the desktop space to give at least some pressure against Intel. So when AMD goes down, we are as well screwed.
 
[citation][nom]The_Blood_Raven[/nom]Now I usually scoff at people calling Intel evil, but this is about as evil as it gets. I hope the government steps in and bitch slaps Intel, they are trying for a total monopoly of modern CPUs, that is ILLEGAL![/citation]

You getting yourself far to excited, Intel hasn't done anything yet.

We should all wait until the 60 days deadline comes by which time I'm sure Intel and AMD will have sorted this. If Intel didn't want AMD to have a x86 licence it wouldn't have given it to AMD in the first place.
 
Intel has a legitimate reason to revoke the x86 license because AMD is breaking the contract. AMD would have no reason to revoke the Intel x86-64 license because they still fall within lines of the contract. AMD makes great CPU's no doubt for their price but if you got the money, Nehalem will get you the best performance.
 
yea, I side with Intel. If AMD isn't playing by the rules they can just do without Intel tech, let's see how well that works out for AMD. Don't screw with Intel is the message to AMD. In these tough times even the large companies need to reign in, increase competitive advantage and become the best, crush the competition. Go Intel.
 
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[citation][nom]bunnyblaster[/nom]To my knowledge, having a monopoly is not illegal in the US. There are certain actions that are illegal like manipulating suppliers. However, it seems that what Intel is doing is protecting its IP and licensing. I am not condoling it but it falls within the law.[/citation]
Well with this where is the EU sanctions on intel hell the force Microsoft when it's microsoft competition for being a dill head that there is no real competition for them.
 
Losing AMD would spell disaster for Intel. The reason being Intel would jack up prices and IBM would be forced back into the consumer market. IBM has much more advanced chips and architecture. Intel would be stomped by superior technology and locks in patents.
 
How long has AMD been contracting out the manufacture of its processors to companies like Chartered? Now Intel wants to complain when AMD uses a spinoff foundry that AMD owns a stake in? Totally off base since this has already been done in the past by third party companies!
 
Wikipedia is NOT a credible source. anyone can create an account and make changes. I am the network administrator of a college and Wikipedia is NOT allowed in student projects or reports of any kind.

i am a mythtv user and I DON'T agree with most of the stuff people write about it.....i have made corrections...and what happens....days later it is changed back!!!!!!
 
like microsoft needs an apple, intel needs amd. a strong amd, able to innovate and forcing intel into doing the right thing for the market and not just doing what is right for itself.
 
Wow, I'm just kind of absorbing everyone's thoughts here, but I just wanted to say thanks for everyone's comments. They've been fun and educational to read. I was also like the first commenter, knowing not one bit about this licensing agreement between AMD and Intel.
 
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