Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[Supernova1138]

I haven't read through the entire thread, is there any legitimate reason to wait for the 9700k? What kind of performance increase are we expecting?

9th generation is basically just a Coffee Lake refresh, so no IPC gains, only changes to the core/thread count. If the rumour is true and its an 8 core/8 thread CPU, then the performance boost over an 8700k is going to be variable, stuff that needs lots of cores but doesn't benefit from hyperthreading much will see a boost, but stuff that does benefit a lot from hyperthreading could perform fairly similar on both CPUs with the 9700k maybe only being a hair faster. If you're gaming, then probably no difference at all since virtually no games scale beyond 6 cores in any appreciable way and the only way you might see a performance boost is if the rumour of the 9700k being soldered is true, in which case it might be easier to push a higher overclock compared to the 8700k.

In terms of multitasking wouldn't more physical cores be better? I.E I'm playing a game and ripping a movie at the same time, or rencoding one of those rips while gaming

It all depends on how CPU intensive these other tasks are and whether they can be done with spare execution resources on the core which is how hyperthreading works. All I can say is it will be interesting to see what the benchmarks look like, we'll have to wait unless someone has an i7 7820x and wants to try to simulate this by running benches with HT disabled, then disable two cores and turn HT back on and see what results he gets in the same benchmarks.

Its pretty likely that the next cpus coming out, along with the die shrink should be the same socket right?

All indications are that the 9th gen CPUs will still be on LGA 1151, though there is some debate on whether they will all work on the existing 300 series chipsets. As for the 10nm shrink, that's up in the air, that won't be coming until late 2020, or maybe even 2021. Given Intel's track record, I would say there is a very high chance that 10nm will be on an entirely new socket. If you want longer term upgradeability, AMD is your only option right now.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Really, I was under a completely different impression. I've been assuming it was about how well a company/companies execute on there guidance, financial stability, and positive future prospects, which indecently are very poor for Intel at this moment! But, it couldn't have anything to do with that, could it? Who knew it was all just, "the mental and emotional factors governing a situation or activity." What a volatile world of uncertainty you must live in, since mind reading would be required to know how the market will react at any given time.... Come on, it's called economics!

Stocks can be very stupid. Thats why you have to read the news. Even something that you would assume shouldn't affect the stock can.

I haven't read through the entire thread, is there any legitimate reason to wait for the 9700k? What kind of performance increase are we expecting?

9th generation is basically just a Coffee Lake refresh, so no IPC gains, only changes to the core/thread count. If the rumour is true and its an 8 core/8 thread CPU, then the performance boost over an 8700k is going to be variable, stuff that needs lots of cores but doesn't benefit from hyperthreading much will see a boost, but stuff that does benefit a lot from hyperthreading could perform fairly similar on both CPUs with the 9700k maybe only being a hair faster. If you're gaming, then probably no difference at all since virtually no games scale beyond 6 cores in any appreciable way and the only way you might see a performance boost is if the rumour of the 9700k being soldered is true, in which case it might be easier to push a higher overclock compared to the 8700k.

So far the rumor seems true but we can't really claim no IPC jumps as you never know it is possible to gain IPC. Rumor still shows that there will be an 8/16 i9 but of course Intel is the one to truy tell us.

I haven't read through the entire thread, is there any legitimate reason to wait for the 9700k? What kind of performance increase are we expecting?

9th generation is basically just a Coffee Lake refresh, so no IPC gains, only changes to the core/thread count. If the rumour is true and its an 8 core/8 thread CPU, then the performance boost over an 8700k is going to be variable, stuff that needs lots of cores but doesn't benefit from hyperthreading much will see a boost, but stuff that does benefit a lot from hyperthreading could perform fairly similar on both CPUs with the 9700k maybe only being a hair faster. If you're gaming, then probably no difference at all since virtually no games scale beyond 6 cores in any appreciable way and the only way you might see a performance boost is if the rumour of the 9700k being soldered is true, in which case it might be easier to push a higher overclock compared to the 8700k.

In terms of multitasking wouldn't more physical cores be better? I.E I'm playing a game and ripping a movie at the same time, or rencoding one of those rips while gaming

It all depends on how CPU intensive these other tasks are and whether they can be done with spare execution resources on the core which is how hyperthreading works. All I can say is it will be interesting to see what the benchmarks look like, we'll have to wait unless someone has an i7 7820x and wants to try to simulate this by running benches with HT disabled, then disable two cores and turn HT back on and see what results he gets in the same benchmarks.

Its pretty likely that the next cpus coming out, along with the die shrink should be the same socket right?

All indications are that the 9th gen CPUs will still be on LGA 1151, though there is some debate on whether they will all work on the existing 300 series chipsets. As for the 10nm shrink, that's up in the air, that won't be coming until late 2020, or maybe even 2021. Given Intel's track record, I would say there is a very high chance that 10nm will be on an entirely new socket. If you want longer term upgradeability, AMD is your only option right now.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Intel-Core-i9-9900K-and-the-Core-i7-9700K-will-be-compatible-with-H310-boards-as-well.318606.0.html

So far a lot of info is popping up showing that the 300 series will support 9th gen and that the 8 cores chips will not be relegated to Z390 boards only, they should work on Z370 and even ASRock seems to have a H310 board that will support them.

As for platform longevity, these days CPUs barely jump performance wise. Buying a new Intel or AMD today will probably last 5 years barring any breakthrough in performance that may or may not come and normally those insane massive performance updates come with a new socket as thats the only way. Engineering a new chip to work on an older socket minimizes the ability to truly add performance. Another downside to it is that everything around it ages as well. Its fine if you are early enough but if you are towards the end of a tech it will only hold your system back.

I always look at the entire platform when buying a new setup. Never look at just the CPU the build around it. Intel normally pushes newer tech before AMD does. However with Ryzen doing well we shall see if AMD holds back or pushes forward as fast as Intel normally does.

 

[goldstone77]

 

[goldstone77]

When Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett makes investing decisions, he focuses on one thing only: the facts.

"You have to be able to play out your hand under all circumstances," Buffett told shareholders in 2006. "But if you can play out your hand, and you've got the right facts, and you reason by yourself, and you let the market serve you and not instruct you, you can't miss."

Your opinions and emotions aren't likely to help you. "Being contrarian has no special virtue over being a trend follower," Buffett says. Instead, the Oracle of Omaha suggests taking a pragmatic approach to investing decisions. First, gather all of your facts. Next, learn how to dissect them to find the pertinent information you need to make your decision. For Buffett, that means looking for the pieces that are "important and knowable."

"If something's important but unknowable, forget it," he says. "I mean, it may be important whether somebody's going to drop a nuclear weapon tomorrow, but it's unknowable."
Focus on the variables that you do have at your disposal. Once you've narrowed down your information, "then you decide whether you have information of sufficient value that — compared to price and all that — will cause you to act," Buffett explains.

Whether or not you choose to invest in something should be based on your research, not on your reaction to what other people are doing and saying. As Buffett puts it, "what others are doing means nothing."

That's why Buffett recommends doing your homework beforehand and investing in solid companies that will last, rather than trying to time the market or react to your anxieties. Concentrate on the facts, not how you're feeling.

"Don't watch the market closely," he told CNBC in 2016 amid wild fluctuations. "If they're trying to buy and sell stocks, and worry when they go down a little bit … and think they should maybe sell them when they go up, they're not going to have very good results."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/warren-buffett-if-you-invest-this-way-you-cant-miss.html

due diligence:
reasonable steps taken by a person in order to satisfy a legal requirement, especially in buying or selling something.
a comprehensive appraisal of a business undertaken by a prospective buyer, especially to establish its assets and liabilities and evaluate its commercial potential.

If you are going to be a serious and successful investor, like Warren Buffet, it would be wise to heed these words. It's not all smoke and mirrors, and if it feels that way to you I would suggest having someone else do your investing for you. If it feels like your gambling, than you probably are, and that's not investing!

 

[goldstone77]

[Reddit]Intel 8C16T - 3Dmark Time Spy https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/92kt46/intel_8c16t_3dmark_time_spy/ … … https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4126457 Reported stock core clock:3.1Ghz/Maximum turbo core clock:5Ghz.

 

[-Fran-]

Sorry, but stock manipulation is never based on objective research of economic factors: case in point BTC. What better example than that to prove gamerks point is there?

Hell, even things that happen to the CEOs can affect the stock price. That is why Intel "accepted BK's resignation" (I can't put enough quotes around that!).

So, "facts" is well stated. What you consider a deciding fact will vary from person to person.

Cheers!

EDIT: Changed a word.

 

[goldstone77]

If you couldn't connect the dots on your own over the last year as to why Intel is a bad investment, nothing I say "fact" or otherwise will change your mind, and debating it would lead to an argument of futility. Objective "Due Diligence" or a bag holder you will be!

 

[goldstone77]

Sorry, but stock manipulation is never based on objective research of economic factors: case in point BTC. What better example than that to prove gamerks point is there?

Winklevoss twins bitcoin ETF rejected by SEC
The Securities and Exchange Commission rejected a second attempt by Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, founders of crypto exchange Gemini, to list the first-ever cryptocurrency ETF on a regulated exchange.
The U.S. financial watchdog has yet to approve a cryptocurrency-based ETF and in the release Thursday highlights issues with security, market manipulation and investor protection issues.

Again, if you can not connect the dots and see why BTC is gambling and not investing, any "fact" I say will not help you. Think arcade tokens, and Beanie babies without being able to hold anything in your hand.

 

[goldstone77]

All indications are that the 9th gen CPUs will still be on LGA 1151, though there is some debate on whether they will all work on the existing 300 series chipsets. As for the 10nm shrink, that's up in the air, that won't be coming until late 2020, or maybe even 2021. Given Intel's track record, I would say there is a very high chance that 10nm will be on an entirely new socket. If you want longer term upgradeability, AMD is your only option right now.

Recent leak, suggest backward compatibility, and rumors suggest soldered IHS! Someone might be getting the hint!

Edit: ROG STRIX Z370-F GAMING ASUS motherboard was used with the i9-9900K 8/16.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1581001/intel-future-chips-news-rumours-reviews/page-68.html#21182012

 

[goldstone77]

Intel Ice Lake Client Platform / System (Intel IceLake U LPDDR4/4x T4 PD RVP)
Genuine Intel CPU 0000 @ 1.60GHz (4C 8T 1.69GHz/1.6GHz 5% OC, 4x 512kB L2, 8MB L3)
Intel UHD Graphics, Gen11 LP (384SP 48C 600MHz, 768kB L2, 3.2GB) (OpenCL)

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_system.php?q=cea598ab9dab92a79fb9dee3ceffd9ab96a781e8d5e5c3ab96a680f8c5f5d3b6d3eedef88bb68e&l=en

 

[goldstone77]

I7 8565U! Intel 14nm Whiskeylake

 

[YoAndy]

Another story about the Core i9-9900K Leaked Benchmarks Show Intel’s Core i9-9900K Crushing AMD’s Ryzen 7 2700X

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274497-leaked-benchmarks-show-intels-core-i9-9900k-beating-amds-ryzen-7-2700x?utm_medium=notification

 

[jimmysmitty]

Another story about the Core i9-9900K Leaked Benchmarks Show Intel’s Core i9-9900K Crushing AMD’s Ryzen 7 2700X

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274497-leaked-benchmarks-show-intels-core-i9-9900k-beating-amds-ryzen-7-2700x?utm_medium=notification

Its interesting to watch the bickering back and forth in that articles thread. Its almost as if instead of wanting this, where AMD go back and forth, they want just, mostly it seems, AMD to win. I hope these guys realize that if AMD consistently win and gain more and more market share they can say goodbye to the cheaper prices and hello to paying similar or more than for Intel products. AMD has done it before they will do it again.

AMDs loyalties lie to the board not to the consumer. I feel a lot of people forget that and think of AMD as some sort of consumer loving company.

Oh well. I am interested to see what the clock speeds for that bench were. Its confirmed it was done on an Asus Z370 board which is good. This feels a lot like the old P67 days when they also released the Z68. Didn't need the Z68 for the new CPUs but it had a few new features the P67 didn't have.

 

[goldstone77]

 

[jimmysmitty]

I wonder if that means we will have an i9 9900 non K edition.

 

[-Fran-]

Another story about the Core i9-9900K Leaked Benchmarks Show Intel’s Core i9-9900K Crushing AMD’s Ryzen 7 2700X

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274497-leaked-benchmarks-show-intels-core-i9-9900k-beating-amds-ryzen-7-2700x?utm_medium=notification

Its interesting to watch the bickering back and forth in that articles thread. Its almost as if instead of wanting this, where AMD go back and forth, they want just, mostly it seems, AMD to win. I hope these guys realize that if AMD consistently win and gain more and more market share they can say goodbye to the cheaper prices and hello to paying similar or more than for Intel products. AMD has done it before they will do it again.

AMDs loyalties lie to the board not to the consumer. I feel a lot of people forget that and think of AMD as some sort of consumer loving company.

Oh well. I am interested to see what the clock speeds for that bench were. Its confirmed it was done on an Asus Z370 board which is good. This feels a lot like the old P67 days when they also released the Z68. Didn't need the Z68 for the new CPUs but it had a few new features the P67 didn't have.

Well, 2 things:

1.- Looks like the original title and the internal title were changed after the article was published for clickbait (look at the URL vs the title).
2.- It's "leaked" data. Putting any sort of forward conclusion with no additional information is dumb to say the least. Most of the bickering I saw there was around that.

And as a general reminder: AMD is minuscule in the market space compared to Intel, even with Ryzen. Intel is still, for the consumer Windows-PC sector, an effective monopoly. You want AMD to stay at the top for a while, not even close to Intel, so they push the behemoth to do better. Well, what do you know: 8 cores in 14nm in 1 year. All previous information and "planning it takes to get CPUs into form" argument went to the garbage bin with this gen.

No one here (this thread) supporting AMD is blind to the fact that AMD is, in fact, a company and will try to get your hard earned dollar any way it can. The problem is the other side IMO. Intel's loyalists are just giving them their hard earned dollar with no second thoughts very easily. How many here upgraded from Sandy to *anything* before Coffee Lake? Looking back, how they could've made, say, Kaby Lake their 6-core part, you don't have second thoughts here? You think Intel wasn't technologically capable of offering more cores (just 2 more!) before Coffee Lake? And so many other questions that we all know were not technologically driven, but by economical reasons. The wrong kind of economical reasons, I might add: no competition, absurd dominant position, people's desperation for upgrades, good marketing (not as good an nVidia's though) and some other reasons.

Cheers!

 

[jimmysmitty]

Another story about the Core i9-9900K Leaked Benchmarks Show Intel’s Core i9-9900K Crushing AMD’s Ryzen 7 2700X

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274497-leaked-benchmarks-show-intels-core-i9-9900k-beating-amds-ryzen-7-2700x?utm_medium=notification

Its interesting to watch the bickering back and forth in that articles thread. Its almost as if instead of wanting this, where AMD go back and forth, they want just, mostly it seems, AMD to win. I hope these guys realize that if AMD consistently win and gain more and more market share they can say goodbye to the cheaper prices and hello to paying similar or more than for Intel products. AMD has done it before they will do it again.

AMDs loyalties lie to the board not to the consumer. I feel a lot of people forget that and think of AMD as some sort of consumer loving company.

Oh well. I am interested to see what the clock speeds for that bench were. Its confirmed it was done on an Asus Z370 board which is good. This feels a lot like the old P67 days when they also released the Z68. Didn't need the Z68 for the new CPUs but it had a few new features the P67 didn't have.

Well, 2 things:

1.- Looks like the original title and the internal title were changed after the article was published for clickbait (look at the URL vs the title).
2.- It's "leaked" data. Putting any sort of forward conclusion with no additional information is dumb to say the least. Most of the bickering I saw there was around that.

And as a general reminder: AMD is minuscule in the market space compared to Intel, even with Ryzen. Intel is still, for the consumer Windows-PC sector, an effective monopoly. You want AMD to stay at the top for a while, not even close to Intel, so they push the behemoth to do better. Well, what do you know: 8 cores in 14nm in 1 year. All previous information and "planning it takes to get CPUs into form" argument went to the garbage bin with this gen.

No one here (this thread) supporting AMD is blind to the fact that AMD is, in fact, a company and will try to get your hard earned dollar any way it can. The problem is the other side IMO. Intel's loyalists are just giving them their hard earned dollar with no second thoughts very easily. How many here upgraded from Sandy to *anything* before Coffee Lake? Looking back, how they could've made, say, Kaby Lake their 6-core part, you don't have second thoughts here? You think Intel wasn't technologically capable of offering more cores (just 2 more!) before Coffee Lake? And so many other questions that we all know were not technologically driven, but by economical reasons. The wrong kind of economical reasons, I might add: no competition, absurd dominant position, people's desperation for upgrades, good marketing (not as good an nVidia's though) and some other reasons.

Cheers!

You completely missed my point. The point is that fanboys are fanboys however the biggest issue with AMDs fanboys is the fact that they think they are some god sent consumer focused company. Right now we have Intel and AMD going back and forth. Thats great. If it continues it will be great. If one stays above the other thats bad. Thats my point.

And if people can't see click bait and just take it as it is then thats their problem.

And Intel had 8 cores before this at 14nm. It was just considered a HEDT product. Now its trickling down.

Without having all of the internal documents there is no way of knowing if and when Intel decided to setup the 8 core for mainstream.

 

[goldstone77]

I wonder if that means we will have an i9 9900 non K edition.

Jimmy, looking back at Coffee Lake we can see that there was an initial release of limited SKUs, and later others were released later. I know from reports that their manufacturing is running at full capacity. This may limit which products they can bring to market, and possibly one of the factors in pushing back the releasing Coffee Lake refresh to Q1 2019. Also, the fiasco of a paper launch last year with Coffee Lake that resulted in retail stores initially spike prices could compel them to improve their image with customers. That said I think Intel will want to get as much yield as possible out of dies, and I would expect typical segmentation. These binned parts will likely come later.

 

[goldstone77]

We know that 6 core processors were planned on mainstream product maps a few years before launch, but the i9 are basically Xeon Ws, and i9s were not originally supposed to be released for HEDT, it was added.

In essence, these are Xeon versions of the current Skylake-X (Core i9) processors with all the pro features enabled, such as the extended memory support, vPro, Intel’s AMT, and the standard enterprise Reliability,

Intel Xeon W Workstation CPU Review
https://youtu.be/UATF8ycfLD0?t=180
There was the Kabey Lake X, which was basically Kabey Lake chips.
I have some things to say - Core i9 & X299
https://youtu.be/TWFzWRoVNnE?t=229
Core i9 – Our Unbiased Review
https://youtu.be/3w-G85O8n3I?t=170
Intel i9 Skylake X & i7 KBL-X CPUs: 18C/36T to 4C/4T | Computex
https://youtu.be/wMg41vu2mes?t=200

While we agree that competition is great and that Ryzen is triggering some of it, to think that i9 is a response to Ryzen is misguided. Silicon like this takes around 18 months to go through the development process, and spends the last six months of its pre-sale life in validation and fabrication. The i9 line is nothing more than a name. The silicon already existed. It may be true that Intel introduced the new i9 branding in response to Ryzen, but it certainly wasn’t built ground-up as a competitor. Ryzen didn’t even exist retail (or close to it) when this thing started development.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2931-intel-kbl-x-sky-x-cpus-extreme-megatasking

Intel needs to improve it's image with customers, and I think they are making corrections to fix their image with the change in personal. Intel did fire Chief executive Brian Krzanich and chief marketing officer Steve. They hired some several AMD employees, including Chris Hook heads Discrete Graphics and Visual Technologies Marketing.
Also, there are reports of a talent war between the two companies scrambling to get the best and brightest from each other.
Exclusive: Intel and AMD Talent Wars Heat Up
By Usman Pirzada
Jul 17
https://wccftech.com/intel-amd-talent-wars-heat/

As a fan of technology this is all incredibly exciting to watch from the side lines. I enjoy this kind of fierce competition, which is always going to lead to better products, options, and pricing for us the consumer!

Fair market value (FMV) is an estimate of the market value of a property, based on what a knowledgeable, willing, and unpressured buyer would probably pay to a knowledgeable, willing, and unpressured seller in the market.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I wonder if that means we will have an i9 9900 non K edition.

Jimmy, looking back at Coffee Lake we can see that there was an initial release of limited SKUs, and later others were released later. I know from reports that their manufacturing is running at full capacity. This may limit which products they can bring to market, and possibly one of the factors in pushing back the releasing Coffee Lake refresh to Q1 2019. Also, the fiasco of a paper launch last year with Coffee Lake that resulted in retail stores initially spike prices could compel them to improve their image with customers. That said I think Intel will want to get as much yield as possible out of dies, and I would expect typical segmentation. These binned parts will likely come later.

Thats true. Especially considering that FAB 42 was dropped from 10nm and is being fitted for 7nm, or so that was the initial plan, and is not being used for 14nm.

I guess we will see.

 

[aldaia]

If this is true we won't see intel 9000 series until 2019

https://hk.xfastest.com/11058/intel-new-raodmap-2018-2019-i9-9900k-i7-9700k/

 

[-Fran-]

You completely missed my point. The point is that fanboys are fanboys however the biggest issue with AMDs fanboys is the fact that they think they are some god sent consumer focused company. Right now we have Intel and AMD going back and forth. Thats great. If it continues it will be great. If one stays above the other thats bad. Thats my point.

And if people can't see click bait and just take it as it is then thats their problem.

And Intel had 8 cores before this at 14nm. It was just considered a HEDT product. Now its trickling down.

Without having all of the internal documents there is no way of knowing if and when Intel decided to setup the 8 core for mainstream.

From the first bolded part: I wholeheartedly agree there. You're just missing one important detail: it's not just AMD. You swap "AMD" in that bold sentence for *any* company and it applies perfectly. Fanbois be Fanbois, right?

From the second bolded part: my point there is simple, really... AMD has been the underdog for a very, very long time and just recently everyone thought they were going to be bankrupt by the end of next year at best. The important and significant difference is that Intel has never, ever, had that problem. At worst, their shares were in danger of losing 10% of their value, at best their bonuses for the year. Damn, that must be terrifying to poor shareholders and employees. No new expensive yatch this year! (well, half kidding, but you get the point I hope). AMD being on top for, say, 3 consecutive years will force Intel to plan for competing and not dominating. All of these blunders have been because of the stupid dominant position they've had has made them overconfident. As a side topic, I'm willing to say nVidia doesn't suffer from it, even though they've been dominant for a long time now. Different cultures? Anyway, I hope we can at least agree here that a single agent in a consumer market segment is just annoying and utterly disgusting.

EDIT: Related:
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Cheers!

 

[goldstone77]

Intel Core i9-9900K, i7-9700K, i5-9600K and i5-9400 coming this quarter

Intel Coffee Lake
Guess what, the first roadmap posted by XFastest was wrong.

Intel Core i9-9900K, i7-9700K, i5-9600K and i5-9400 coming this quarter
Well, here’s the actual roadmap, which was probably meant to be posted with the original article, but instead we saw an outdated one. The article at XFastest has been updated and the story has changed.

According to the new roadmap, Intel will in fact launch 9th Gen Core series this quarter, most likely in September, so just as it was rumored.

It appears that in Q1 2019 Intel will launch more parts, but the K series and i5-9400 should already be available.

https://videocardz.com/76922/intel-core-i9-9900k-launches-in-q3-2018-after-all

 

[goldstone77]

Exclusive: Intel’s Desktop Roadmap 2018 to 2019
By Usman Pirzada
3 hours ago

https://wccftech.com/exclusive-intels-desktop-roadmap-2018-to-2019/

 

[goldstone77]