Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[goldstone77]

In other news I got a great price on a used i7-3770K for $165 on Ebay! $173.37 with tax and 6 month insurance. I can sell my 2500K for ~$80. ~$85 to give this old board a little boost. I've been looking for a good buy, they have been selling for ~$240, and wasn't worth it.

That's pretty good. The 3770k is only around 30% slower than a kaby lake chip, and OC can close that gap to 20%.

In games that will outperform Ryzen for a lower price.

Good buy!

Not a bad deal.

As for it being better than Ryzen, I would disagree. I have both a 4790k and 1700x. The 1700x is a better overall gamer in the comparisons I have made, both OCed.

You know that is a common experience that people say that have used both Intel and Ryzen. That Ryzen feels smoother. Being an owner of both In your experience would you say that is true?

 

[YoAndy]

I didn't notice it at first, but you are right the Intel units definitely have a rainbow warrior theme across the product line!

Edit: price tag Intel $499.99 AMD $389.99

Intel X299 Gaming motherboards have better features, for example the X299 Aurus Gaming 9 have you even read the specs? before you argue non sense? 😉.First look at the illuminated back plate, you don't think it looks better on the X299 and is helpful. The x299 has way better audio,ESS SABRE reference DAC, True Hi-Fidelity Music
Provide surround sound audio and enabled DSD music playback,L / R separation analog signal processing with internally balanced audio design For maximum stereo sound quality and high-quality signal transmission, Independent Analog Power Drives clean analog power for audio components to ensure minimal noise,TI Burr-Brown™ Audio
Low stereo cross talk, high operational power output, 4 op amps 127 DB and savitech auto impedance sensing True Hi-Fidelity Music Provide surround sound audio and enabled DSD music playback, Hyperstream Dynamic Range (DNR 127dB), High-Res music (32bit, 384kHz PCM), World's best THD+N, Anti-pop Circuit Design Prevents popping noise when plugging in and removing the audio jack , Power Purifier Supplies undisturbed power to the Digital-Analog Converters, Precision Audio Stream Provides precise time triggers to Digital-Analog Converters, Dual Smart Headphone AMPs Automatically detects impedance of your head-worn audio device, whether earbuds or high-end headphones to provide optimal audio dynamics—preventing issues such as low volume and distortion. Audiophile Grade Capacitors Deliver true acoustic sound

Now compare all those freatures to the X399 ALC 1220 120dB SNR HD Audio with single Smart Headphone AmpALC 1220 120dB SNR HD Audio
There it goes your $100 difference just in audio and software alone.

Dude you are too funny, there isn't $110 more worth of Gold on that motherboard to justify that extra cost!

Dude you are funny and don't know anything about audio. I think some people will argue just because. I get it AMD is the best in the entire universe, are you happy now? .... Try buying all those options separate or a separate high quality audio card 127 db or higer. Oh wait is more than $150 and is less quality (122 db) instead of the 147db 4 Amps that comes built in the Intel x299 Gaming 9 board.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102101&cm_re=audio_card-_-29-102-101-_-Product

 

[goldstone77]

Spoiler

I didn't notice it at first, but you are right the Intel units definitely have a rainbow warrior theme across the product line!

Edit: price tag Intel $499.99 AMD $389.99

Intel X299 Gaming motherboards have better features, for example the X299 Aurus Gaming 9 have you even read the specs? before you argue non sense? 😉.First look at the illuminated back plate, you don't think it looks better on the X299 and is helpful. The x299 has way better audio,ESS SABRE reference DAC, True Hi-Fidelity Music
Provide surround sound audio and enabled DSD music playback,L / R separation analog signal processing with internally balanced audio design For maximum stereo sound quality and high-quality signal transmission, Independent Analog Power Drives clean analog power for audio components to ensure minimal noise,TI Burr-Brown™ Audio
Low stereo cross talk, high operational power output, 4 op amps 127 DB and savitech auto impedance sensing True Hi-Fidelity Music Provide surround sound audio and enabled DSD music playback, Hyperstream Dynamic Range (DNR 127dB), High-Res music (32bit, 384kHz PCM), World's best THD+N, Anti-pop Circuit Design Prevents popping noise when plugging in and removing the audio jack , Power Purifier Supplies undisturbed power to the Digital-Analog Converters, Precision Audio Stream Provides precise time triggers to Digital-Analog Converters, Dual Smart Headphone AMPs Automatically detects impedance of your head-worn audio device, whether earbuds or high-end headphones to provide optimal audio dynamics—preventing issues such as low volume and distortion. Audiophile Grade Capacitors Deliver true acoustic sound

Now compare all those freatures to the X399 ALC 1220 120dB SNR HD Audio with single Smart Headphone AmpALC 1220 120dB SNR HD Audio
There it goes your $100 difference just in audio and software alone.

Dude you are too funny, there isn't $110 more worth of Gold on that motherboard to justify that extra cost!

Dude you are funny and don't know anything about audio. I think some people will argue just because. I get it AMD is the best in the entire universe, are you happy now? .... Try buying all those options separate or a separate high quality audio card 127 db or higer. Oh wait is more than $150 and is less quality (122 db) instead of the 147db 4 Amps that comes built in the Intel x299 Gaming 9 board.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102101&cm_re=audio_card-_-29-102-101-_-Product

Dude you are funny and don't know anything about audio.

What makes you a professional audiophile? And how does that relate to the cost of electronics?

I think some people will argue just because.

You jumped on this post I made just to argue your point that the sound card on the $499.99 motherboard justifies $110 increase in the price of the board. Considering the cost of electronics that is arguing just to argue! You are associating some kind of intrinsic value being added.

I get it AMD is the best in the entire universe, are you happy now? ....

Not True, and I wouldn't have just bought a i7 3770K if I thought that. I do believe Ryzen (not necessarily AMD) has advantages over some Intel processors. Cost being one of those factors.

Try buying all those options separate or a separate high quality audio card 127 db or higer. Oh wait is more than $150 and is less quality (122 db) instead of the 147db 4 Amps that comes built in the Intel x299 Gaming 9 board.

It's significantly cheaper integrated into a motherboard.

 

[juanrga]

The reason for the $100 higher price of the mobo is the higher quality to support higher loads from faster CPUs like the 7980XE. I don't get why people is discussing this. It is the same engineering reason why a SKL board costs more than a KBL board. It is the same reason why a TR4 board costs more than a AM4 board.

Juanrga the Intel board cost more, because it's an Intel board! Not because it has more expensive components on it! Every process node advancement Intel was maintained a process node advantage. Shrinking down the process farther than anyone else. This also drastically reduced the cost to make the processors. Over the years they never offered to pass that savings on to us! They just keep raising the prices even as their costs have gone down. All other consumer electronics have drastically reduced in price. I can go to Walmart and buy a 65" LED 4K TV for $549.99! That's because there are a multitude of manufacturers competing with each other. Intel has enjoyed a monopoly, and hasn't had to adjust their prices even though their manufacturing cost have drastically been reduced! We can easy tell this buy looking at the 10-16 billion they make a quarter. Lack of competition and desire to innovate allowed Intel to start selling rebranded CPU's, and save the cost on R&D. They never passed any savings on to us leaving us with quad cores for a decade. Any other consumer electronics market would have seen significant price reductions, and additional features.

It has higher quality components. It is also the reason why the Intel board is named "Gaming 9", whereas the simpler AMD board is named "Gaming 7"

9 > 7

We were discussing mobos pricing. Why do you change the goalpost, now towards CPUs again?

 

[-Fran-]

I didn't notice it at first, but you are right the Intel units definitely have a rainbow warrior theme across the product line!

Spoiler

Edit: price tag Intel $499.99 AMD $389.99

Intel X299 Gaming motherboards have better features, for example the X299 Aurus Gaming 9 have you even read the specs? before you argue non sense? 😉.First look at the illuminated back plate, you don't think it looks better on the X299 and is helpful. The x299 has way better audio,ESS SABRE reference DAC, True Hi-Fidelity Music
Provide surround sound audio and enabled DSD music playback,L / R separation analog signal processing with internally balanced audio design For maximum stereo sound quality and high-quality signal transmission, Independent Analog Power Drives clean analog power for audio components to ensure minimal noise,TI Burr-Brown™ Audio
Low stereo cross talk, high operational power output, 4 op amps 127 DB and savitech auto impedance sensing True Hi-Fidelity Music Provide surround sound audio and enabled DSD music playback, Hyperstream Dynamic Range (DNR 127dB), High-Res music (32bit, 384kHz PCM), World's best THD+N, Anti-pop Circuit Design Prevents popping noise when plugging in and removing the audio jack , Power Purifier Supplies undisturbed power to the Digital-Analog Converters, Precision Audio Stream Provides precise time triggers to Digital-Analog Converters, Dual Smart Headphone AMPs Automatically detects impedance of your head-worn audio device, whether earbuds or high-end headphones to provide optimal audio dynamics—preventing issues such as low volume and distortion. Audiophile Grade Capacitors Deliver true acoustic sound

Now compare all those freatures to the X399 ALC 1220 120dB SNR HD Audio with single Smart Headphone AmpALC 1220 120dB SNR HD Audio
There it goes your $100 difference just in audio and software alone.

Dude you are too funny, there isn't $110 more worth of Gold on that motherboard to justify that extra cost!

Dude you are funny and don't know anything about audio. I think some people will argue just because. I get it AMD is the best in the entire universe, are you happy now? .... Try buying all those options separate or a separate high quality audio card 127 db or higer. Oh wait is more than $150 and is less quality (122 db) instead of the 147db 4 Amps that comes built in the Intel x299 Gaming 9 board.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102101&cm_re=audio_card-_-29-102-101-_-Product

Careful big shot. Integrated chips into MoBos don't cost the same as the independent PCB based products. Realtek SPUs (including DACs) are peanuts across lines. You can read this here from a while back from Toms that is still very relevant in any "sound card" discussion: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/high-end-pc-audio,3733.html

That being said, I will concede that you can justify (weirdly enough) the price difference of the two board with that argument alone; whether I like it to be the case or not, is moot. But that is a very different argument to make than other things we all read already.

And just for shizzle and giggles: it also comes with a "Killer" network card; there's more cost added that is *very* debatable if it's worth the extra cost.

 

[juanrga]

I don't trust graphs who's data can't be verified by multiple sources. Especially, when they are in a foreign language. sorry.

You didn't complain when 8350rocks mentioned the German computerbase.de

HFR is well-known and trusted site. I will continue linking to his graphs and reviews.

 

[goldstone77]

The reason for the $100 higher price of the mobo is the higher quality to support higher loads from faster CPUs like the 7980XE. I don't get why people is discussing this. It is the same engineering reason why a SKL board costs more than a KBL board. It is the same reason why a TR4 board costs more than a AM4 board.

Juanrga the Intel board cost more, because it's an Intel board! Not because it has more expensive components on it! Every process node advancement Intel was maintained a process node advantage. Shrinking down the process farther than anyone else. This also drastically reduced the cost to make the processors. Over the years they never offered to pass that savings on to us! They just keep raising the prices even as their costs have gone down. All other consumer electronics have drastically reduced in price. I can go to Walmart and buy a 65" LED 4K TV for $549.99! That's because there are a multitude of manufacturers competing with each other. Intel has enjoyed a monopoly, and hasn't had to adjust their prices even though their manufacturing cost have drastically been reduced! We can easy tell this buy looking at the 10-16 billion they make a quarter. Lack of competition and desire to innovate allowed Intel to start selling rebranded CPU's, and save the cost on R&D. They never passed any savings on to us leaving us with quad cores for a decade. Any other consumer electronics market would have seen significant price reductions, and additional features.

It has higher quality components. It is also the reason why the Intel board is named "Gaming 9", whereas the simpler AMD board is named "Gaming 7"

9 > 7

We were discussing mobos pricing. Why do you change the goalpost, now towards CPUs again?

I didn't switch the topic. I think that it's overpriced because of the brand being supported, not the cost of the components.

I don't trust graphs who's data can't be verified by multiple sources. Especially, when they are in a foreign language. sorry.

You didn't complain when 8350rocks mentioned the German computerbase.de

HFR is well-known and trusted site. I will continue linking to his graphs and reviews.

I'm not speaking for what 8350rocks likes or wants. I'm speaking for what I like or want. Verifiable results across a multiple reviews with links to the reviews. Not one review in a foreign language, which I can't validate the results or testing methodology.

 

[juanrga]

In other news I got a great price on a used i7-3770K for $165 on Ebay! $173.37 with tax and 6 month insurance. I can sell my 2500K for ~$80. ~$85 to give this old board a little boost. I've been looking for a good buy, they have been selling for ~$240, and wasn't worth it.

That's pretty good. The 3770k is only around 30% slower than a kaby lake chip, and OC can close that gap to 20%.

In games that will outperform Ryzen for a lower price.

Good buy!

Not a bad deal.

As for it being better than Ryzen, I would disagree. I have both a 4790k and 1700x. The 1700x is a better overall gamer in the comparisons I have made, both OCed.

You know that is a common experience that people say that have used both Intel and Ryzen. That Ryzen feels smoother. Being an owner of both In your experience would you say that is true?

It is not a Intel vs RyZen thing. It is about people comparing fresh installs of 8-core vs older installations 4-core with bloatware. There is also subjective elements such as justification bias.

Fresh install vs fresh install, same core count Intel is smoother.

 

[juanrga]

I didn't switch the topic. I think that it's overpriced because of the brand being supported, not the cost of the components.

So you confirm that you think it is a case of evil being transmitted by contact. Gygabyte is acting as an evil company because is charging $100 extra to customers of that brand, which you don't cease to remind us how evil is. Of course that is all wrong, the board is more expensive because is better, but nice to know your thoughts.

I'm not speaking for what 8350rocks likes or wants. I'm speaking for what I like or want. Verifiable results across a multiple reviews with links to the reviews. Not one review in a foreign language, which I can't validate the results or testing methodology.

I only mentioned how you didn't complain when he mentioned we would use computerbase.de review, which is evidently German. You didn't replied to him stating your predilection for English-only reviews.

I will continue mentioning good reviews, and adding graphics independently of the language that you prefer. For instance if I see a recent review showing how Intel chips consume less power than AMD chips

I will add to the thread.

 

[juanrga]

"Something exciting is coming soon. Can you guess what it is?"

https://twitter.com/ASUS_ROG/status/907604865144193031/photo/1

 

[goldstone77]

I didn't switch the topic. I think that it's overpriced because of the brand being supported, not the cost of the components.

So you confirm that you think it is a case of evil being transmitted by contact. Gygabyte is acting as an evil company because is charging $100 extra to customers of that brand, which you don't cease to remind us how evil is. Of course that is all wrong, the board is more expensive because is better, but nice to know your thoughts.

Your words not mine. Some of the extra cost is in actual components, but not all of it. Companies are not evil. They follow a business model to make money. Unchecked business who have Monopolies abuse their market power to lessen competition is against the law.

I'm not speaking for what 8350rocks likes or wants. I'm speaking for what I like or want. Verifiable results across a multiple reviews with links to the reviews. Not one review in a foreign language, which I can't validate the results or testing methodology.

I only mentioned how you didn't complain when he mentioned we would use computerbase.de review, which is evidently German. You didn't replied to him stating your predilection for English-only reviews.

I will continue mentioning good reviews, and adding graphics independently of the language that you prefer. For instance if I see a recent review showing how Intel chips consume less power than AMD chips

I will add to the thread.

I didn't say you couldn't.

 

[YoAndy]

 

[YoAndy]

I didn't notice it at first, but you are right the Intel units definitely have a rainbow warrior theme across the product line!

Spoiler

Edit: price tag Intel $499.99 AMD $389.99

Intel X299 Gaming motherboards have better features, for example the X299 Aurus Gaming 9 have you even read the specs? before you argue non sense? 😉.First look at the illuminated back plate, you don't think it looks better on the X299 and is helpful. The x299 has way better audio,ESS SABRE reference DAC, True Hi-Fidelity Music
Provide surround sound audio and enabled DSD music playback,L / R separation analog signal processing with internally balanced audio design For maximum stereo sound quality and high-quality signal transmission, Independent Analog Power Drives clean analog power for audio components to ensure minimal noise,TI Burr-Brown™ Audio
Low stereo cross talk, high operational power output, 4 op amps 127 DB and savitech auto impedance sensing True Hi-Fidelity Music Provide surround sound audio and enabled DSD music playback, Hyperstream Dynamic Range (DNR 127dB), High-Res music (32bit, 384kHz PCM), World's best THD+N, Anti-pop Circuit Design Prevents popping noise when plugging in and removing the audio jack , Power Purifier Supplies undisturbed power to the Digital-Analog Converters, Precision Audio Stream Provides precise time triggers to Digital-Analog Converters, Dual Smart Headphone AMPs Automatically detects impedance of your head-worn audio device, whether earbuds or high-end headphones to provide optimal audio dynamics—preventing issues such as low volume and distortion. Audiophile Grade Capacitors Deliver true acoustic sound

Now compare all those freatures to the X399 ALC 1220 120dB SNR HD Audio with single Smart Headphone AmpALC 1220 120dB SNR HD Audio
There it goes your $100 difference just in audio and software alone.

Dude you are too funny, there isn't $110 more worth of Gold on that motherboard to justify that extra cost!

Dude you are funny and don't know anything about audio. I think some people will argue just because. I get it AMD is the best in the entire universe, are you happy now? .... Try buying all those options separate or a separate high quality audio card 127 db or higer. Oh wait is more than $150 and is less quality (122 db) instead of the 147db 4 Amps that comes built in the Intel x299 Gaming 9 board.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102101&cm_re=audio_card-_-29-102-101-_-Product

Careful big shot. Integrated chips into MoBos don't cost the same as the independent PCB based products. Realtek SPUs (including DACs) are peanuts across lines. You can read this here from a while back from Toms that is still very relevant in any "sound card" discussion: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/high-end-pc-audio,3733.html

That being said, I will concede that you can justify (weirdly enough) the price difference of the two board with that argument alone; whether I like it to be the case or not, is moot. But that is a very different argument to make than other things we all read already.

And just for shizzle and giggles: it also comes with a "Killer" network card; there's more cost added that is *very* debatable if it's worth the extra cost.

Actually I have been building my own amps since I was 10, due to my uncle having a PHD in Physics and electrical engineering, I personally went to school for Computer Since and Physics(Bachelor's degree so far working on my masters now). Sound cards that are actually worth spending the time and money would automatically be in the $150-$200+ range, due to integrated audio being roughly superior to anything cheaper in those price categories( we are in 2017 and some top of the line Intel boards like the for example the Asus Rampage or the Gaming 9 have pretty good integrated audio). I'd much rather go with an ODAC and O2 amp than a high end Xonar or any Creative Sound Blaster . ODAC being USB is a big plus over PCI/PCI-e, and having the DAC and amp separate means a great degree of flexibility down the line.

 

[-Fran-]

Actually I have been building my own amps since I was 10, due to my uncle having a PHD in Physics and electrical engineering, I personally went to school for Computer Since and Physics(Bachelor's degree so far working on my masters now). Sound cards that are actually worth spending the time and money would automatically be in the $150-$200+ range, due to integrated audio being roughly superior to anything cheaper in those price categories( we are in 2017 and some top of the line Intel boards like the for example the Asus Rampage or the Gaming 9 have pretty good integrated audio). I'd much rather go with an ODAC and O2 amp than a high end Xonar or any Creative Sound Blaster . ODAC being USB is a big plus over PCI/PCI-e, and having the DAC and amp separate means a great degree of flexibility down the line.

How do you work around the noise in the signaling for audio? I have never bought into these "ooooh, shinny integrated DAC" just because of that. I'm talking from experience with a lot of MoBos that have integrated DACs and they all suck compared to en external DAC (battery or line powered). My monitors get crazy noise using the analogs and using digital defeats the purpose of an internal DAC.

Slightly off-topic, but I'd like to know if you know how to do it.

 

[YoAndy]

Actually I have been building my own amps since I was 10, due to my uncle having a PHD in Physics and electrical engineering, I personally went to school for Computer Since and Physics(Bachelor's degree so far working on my masters now). Sound cards that are actually worth spending the time and money would automatically be in the $150-$200+ range, due to integrated audio being roughly superior to anything cheaper in those price categories( we are in 2017 and some top of the line Intel boards like the for example the Asus Rampage or the Gaming 9 have pretty good integrated audio). I'd much rather go with an ODAC and O2 amp than a high end Xonar or any Creative Sound Blaster . ODAC being USB is a big plus over PCI/PCI-e, and having the DAC and amp separate means a great degree of flexibility down the line.

How do you work around the noise in the signaling for audio? I have never bought into these "ooooh, shinny integrated DAC" just because of that. I'm talking from experience with a lot of MoBos that have integrated DACs and they all suck compared to en external DAC (battery or line powered). My monitors get crazy noise using the analogs and using digital defeats the purpose of an internal DAC.

Slightly off-topic, but I'd like to know if you know how to do it.

Since most USB DACs support a 48KHz sampling rate, it would be best if you are running at that sample rate (in windows, set shared mode at 16bit/48KHz, or use). Working at different sample rates than the maximum could lead to high frequency response problems coming from the DAC and increased IMD distortion (as is the case with mine when it works at 44.1KHz instead 48KHz).I'm aware of all the re-sampling issues, the XP mixer kernel, device settings in Windows, etc.

As for sampling rates, 99.9% of the music people play is at 44.1 Khz. Until that changes, I think that's the most useful sampling rate to report on. If you're using a DAC for other purposes, I agree it's good to know how it does at 48/96/etc. But given most just want to listen to music, 44.1 makes more sense to me so that's why I use it.

 

[-Fran-]

Actually I have been building my own amps since I was 10, due to my uncle having a PHD in Physics and electrical engineering, I personally went to school for Computer Since and Physics(Bachelor's degree so far working on my masters now). Sound cards that are actually worth spending the time and money would automatically be in the $150-$200+ range, due to integrated audio being roughly superior to anything cheaper in those price categories( we are in 2017 and some top of the line Intel boards like the for example the Asus Rampage or the Gaming 9 have pretty good integrated audio). I'd much rather go with an ODAC and O2 amp than a high end Xonar or any Creative Sound Blaster . ODAC being USB is a big plus over PCI/PCI-e, and having the DAC and amp separate means a great degree of flexibility down the line.

How do you work around the noise in the signaling for audio? I have never bought into these "ooooh, shinny integrated DAC" just because of that. I'm talking from experience with a lot of MoBos that have integrated DACs and they all suck compared to en external DAC (battery or line powered). My monitors get crazy noise using the analogs and using digital defeats the purpose of an internal DAC.

Slightly off-topic, but I'd like to know if you know how to do it.

Since most USB DACs support a 48KHz sampling rate, it would be best if you are running at that sample rate (in windows, set shared mode at 16bit/48KHz, or use). Working at different sample rates than the maximum could lead to high frequency response problems coming from the DAC and increased IMD distortion (as is the case with mine when it works at 44.1KHz instead 48KHz).I'm aware of all the re-sampling issues, the XP mixer kernel, device settings in Windows, etc.

As for sampling rates, 99.9% of the music people play is at 44.1 Khz. Until that changes, I think that's the most useful sampling rate to report on. If you're using a DAC for other purposes, I agree it's good to know how it does at 48/96/etc. But given most just want to listen to music, 44.1 makes more sense to me so that's why I use it.

That doesn't sound quite as what I was expecting, but I'll try it none the less. Thanks.

No more off topic here 😛

 

[YoAndy]

You are welcome Yuka,

Guys, I have a question because we talk about how close is Ryzen IPC to Broadwell-E chips, But according to Cpu-Z and various others benchmarks (that I have personally ran), my First generation core i7 has a bit better single core performance than Ryzen 7(I'm running @4.5 GHz)

 

[goldstone77]

You are welcome Yuka,

Guys, I have a question because we talk about how close is Ryzen IPC to Broadwell-E chips, But according to Cpu-Z and various others benchmarks (that I have personally ran), my First generation core i7 has a bit better single core performance than Ryzen 7(I'm running @4.5 GHz)

I know my 2500K@4.5 scores a 155 on Cinebench for single thread, which I tested myself. It really shows how much frequency affects single thread scores as well as multi-thread scores for that matter. Now these synthetic benchmarks are important, because they can also help you see how optimized individual programs are for a particular processor. For instance great Firestrike scores, and terrible FPS in a game like Rise of the Tomb raider. One optimization later 30% boost in FPS, which now falls more in line with the Firestrike score.

 

[YoAndy]

You are welcome Yuka,

Guys, I have a question because we talk about how close is Ryzen IPC to Broadwell-E chips, But according to Cpu-Z and various others benchmarks (that I have personally ran), my First generation core i7 has a bit better single core performance than Ryzen 7(I'm running @4.5 GHz)

I know my 2500K@4.5 scores a 155 on Cinebench for single thread, which I tested myself. It really shows how much frequency affects single thread scores as well as multi-thread scores for that matter. Now these synthetic benchmarks are important, because they can also help you see how optimized individual programs are for a particular processor. For instance great Firestrike scores, and terrible FPS in a game like Rise of the Tomb raider. One optimization later 30% boost in FPS, which now falls more in line with the Firestrike score.

And that's the reason why I can't see myself buying a new Ryzen when new Intel chips are so much faster. My i7 990X still faster when gaming or running Gaming benchmarks. Now last week my corsair PSU died. I bought a new Thermaltake PSU with 10 years warranty. But my motherboard decided to quit a day after installing the new PSU(when the previous corsair died probably damaged the Motherboard) So now I'm stuck thinking in what should I build. The new 8 generation is not here fast enough

 

[juanrga]

A different look at mindfactory sales

(i)
One can see that the huge increase in AMD sales (+4100) is not made at the expense of Intel sales (-1800). This means that most people that is now purchasing AMD wasn't purchasing Intel before. Aka those sales correspond to AMD fans. This agrees with a Lisa Su tweet giving thanks to "fans", not to customers.

Mindfactory is an AMD retail partner and Germany is traditionally pro-AMD because AMD invest millions in the Country.

(ii)
The graph is based in a selective counting of sales. The most popular models (as Pentiums) are lacking in the count. Therefore the % of all sales is not valid.

(iii)
Despite all the bad press and the biased reviews, the SKL-X is selling very well even at Mindfactory.

7700k is selling more than combined 1800X/1700X/1700.

 

[goldstone77]

You are welcome Yuka,

Guys, I have a question because we talk about how close is Ryzen IPC to Broadwell-E chips, But according to Cpu-Z and various others benchmarks (that I have personally ran), my First generation core i7 has a bit better single core performance than Ryzen 7(I'm running @4.5 GHz)

I know my 2500K@4.5 scores a 155 on Cinebench for single thread, which I tested myself. It really shows how much frequency affects single thread scores as well as multi-thread scores for that matter. Now these synthetic benchmarks are important, because they can also help you see how optimized individual programs are for a particular processor. For instance great Firestrike scores, and terrible FPS in a game like Rise of the Tomb raider. One optimization later 30% boost in FPS, which now falls more in line with the Firestrike score.

And that's the reason why I can't see myself buying a new Ryzen when new Intel chips are so much faster. My i7 990X still faster when gaming or running Gaming benchmarks. Now last week my corsair PSU died. I bought a new Thermaltake PSU with 10 years warranty. But my motherboard decided to quit a day after installing the new PSU(when the previous corsair died probably damaged the Motherboard) So now I'm stuck thinking in what should I build. The new 8 generation is not here fast enough

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz With ASROCK Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 & Hyper 212 Evo
I would suggest getting something to tide you over for now. Try to find something acceptable on ebay, and wait to see what 10 and 7nm bring. I'll try to find you something if the temporary route is what you want to do. You might just need a motherboard.

You can always sell it on ebay and get most or all of your money back.

 

[-Fran-]

You are welcome Yuka,

Guys, I have a question because we talk about how close is Ryzen IPC to Broadwell-E chips, But according to Cpu-Z and various others benchmarks (that I have personally ran), my First generation core i7 has a bit better single core performance than Ryzen 7(I'm running @4.5 GHz)

I know my 2500K@4.5 scores a 155 on Cinebench for single thread, which I tested myself. It really shows how much frequency affects single thread scores as well as multi-thread scores for that matter. Now these synthetic benchmarks are important, because they can also help you see how optimized individual programs are for a particular processor. For instance great Firestrike scores, and terrible FPS in a game like Rise of the Tomb raider. One optimization later 30% boost in FPS, which now falls more in line with the Firestrike score.

And that's the reason why I can't see myself buying a new Ryzen when new Intel chips are so much faster. My i7 990X still faster when gaming or running Gaming benchmarks. Now last week my corsair PSU died. I bought a new Thermaltake PSU with 10 years warranty. But my motherboard decided to quit a day after installing the new PSU(when the previous corsair died probably damaged the Motherboard) So now I'm stuck thinking in what should I build. The new 8 generation is not here fast enough

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz With ASROCK Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 & Hyper 212 Evo
I would suggest getting something to tide you over for now. Try to find something acceptable on ebay, and wait to see what 10 and 7nm bring. I'll try to find you something if the temporary route is what you want to do. You might just need a motherboard.

You can always sell it on ebay and get most or all of your money back.

Well, this is me. I really don't need an upgrade ~________~

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o6xb265ytb6e04h/cine-r15_i7-2700K_4.64Ghz_64bits.jpg?dl=0

Cheers!

 

[YoAndy]

You are welcome Yuka,

Guys, I have a question because we talk about how close is Ryzen IPC to Broadwell-E chips, But according to Cpu-Z and various others benchmarks (that I have personally ran), my First generation core i7 has a bit better single core performance than Ryzen 7(I'm running @4.5 GHz)

I know my 2500K@4.5 scores a 155 on Cinebench for single thread, which I tested myself. It really shows how much frequency affects single thread scores as well as multi-thread scores for that matter. Now these synthetic benchmarks are important, because they can also help you see how optimized individual programs are for a particular processor. For instance great Firestrike scores, and terrible FPS in a game like Rise of the Tomb raider. One optimization later 30% boost in FPS, which now falls more in line with the Firestrike score.

And that's the reason why I can't see myself buying a new Ryzen when new Intel chips are so much faster. My i7 990X still faster when gaming or running Gaming benchmarks. Now last week my corsair PSU died. I bought a new Thermaltake PSU with 10 years warranty. But my motherboard decided to quit a day after installing the new PSU(when the previous corsair died probably damaged the Motherboard) So now I'm stuck thinking in what should I build. The new 8 generation is not here fast enough

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz With ASROCK Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 & Hyper 212 Evo
I would suggest getting something to tide you over for now. Try to find something acceptable on ebay, and wait to see what 10 and 7nm bring. I'll try to find you something if the temporary route is what you want to do. You might just need a motherboard.

You can always sell it on ebay and get most or all of your money back.

Well, this is me. I really don't need an upgrade ~________~

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o6xb265ytb6e04h/cine-r15_i7-2700K_4.64Ghz_64bits.jpg?dl=0

Cheers!

Yeah you still good for a few more years. I was too, but My PSU killed my Motherboard. Now I need to upgrade, my wife is sad because she hasn't been able to play minecraft. When are specting the new 8 generation ?

 

[goldstone77]

You are welcome Yuka,

Guys, I have a question because we talk about how close is Ryzen IPC to Broadwell-E chips, But according to Cpu-Z and various others benchmarks (that I have personally ran), my First generation core i7 has a bit better single core performance than Ryzen 7(I'm running @4.5 GHz)

I know my 2500K@4.5 scores a 155 on Cinebench for single thread, which I tested myself. It really shows how much frequency affects single thread scores as well as multi-thread scores for that matter. Now these synthetic benchmarks are important, because they can also help you see how optimized individual programs are for a particular processor. For instance great Firestrike scores, and terrible FPS in a game like Rise of the Tomb raider. One optimization later 30% boost in FPS, which now falls more in line with the Firestrike score.

And that's the reason why I can't see myself buying a new Ryzen when new Intel chips are so much faster. My i7 990X still faster when gaming or running Gaming benchmarks. Now last week my corsair PSU died. I bought a new Thermaltake PSU with 10 years warranty. But my motherboard decided to quit a day after installing the new PSU(when the previous corsair died probably damaged the Motherboard) So now I'm stuck thinking in what should I build. The new 8 generation is not here fast enough

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz With ASROCK Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 & Hyper 212 Evo
I would suggest getting something to tide you over for now. Try to find something acceptable on ebay, and wait to see what 10 and 7nm bring. I'll try to find you something if the temporary route is what you want to do. You might just need a motherboard.

You can always sell it on ebay and get most or all of your money back.

Well, this is me. I really don't need an upgrade ~________~

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o6xb265ytb6e04h/cine-r15_i7-2700K_4.64Ghz_64bits.jpg?dl=0

Cheers!

Yeah you still good for a few more years. I was too, but My PSU killed my Motherboard. Now I need to upgrade, my wife is sad because she hasn't been able to play minecraft. When are specting the new 8 generation ?

That's why I bought that i7-3770K cheap. I can feel the lack of threads weighing on this CPU especially when encoding. For what I do Ryzen isn't a good enough upgrade per say. The extra cores would be huge, but single thread score is minor upgrade. That's why I'm holding out for either 10 nm Intel or 7nm Ryzen. Like I said, but get a cheap ~$100 board and cpu if that is what you need from Ebay. You can always sell it back and recoup the cost of the rental!

 

[-Fran-]

Yeah you still good for a few more years. I was too, but My PSU killed my Motherboard. Now I need to upgrade, my wife is sad because she hasn't been able to play minecraft. When are specting the new 8 generation ?

End of this year, was it?

I am also eagerly awaiting how the new i7 fares. If it does everything well in a reasonable price range, I might upgrade to it and leave this i7 as my new home server, but at a reasonable clock speed, haha. I mean, I have to say 4.6Ghz since day 1 (1.35v on load!) has been one hell of a lucky draw in the CPU lottery; if the new i7 6C can go to 4.5Ghz with air and not sweating bullets, I'll just swap it.

Cheers!