Is AMD Ever Gonna Make A Great CPU?

[melikepie]

well first off look at this
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/intel-says-future-atom-processors-will-match-amd-phenom-ii-performance-in-2015/6453

well i guess intel is getting better every year but amd is getting worse every year but i really dont know what there gonna do next like they have a great gpu buisness and they have a lot of people helping them by buying a lot of GPUs and i think there great priced and there 7000 series offers tons new things and i think there doing well but while there doing that the CPU stuff is really gonna make them go bankrupt. amd does best at going bankrupt and there spending more and more money on bulldozer when basicly there gonna be spending more money then they are getting and i think some people should get fired. i really think that they hired rats for there marketing or intel workers got hired at amd either way they are probaly gone soon and im wondering i amd will EVER make a cpu that will work as well as intels but if it is as good as ivy bridge... they better be sure thats when ivy bridge is the best intel can offer at that time.

 

[netops07]

The company has all but secured the gpu market for all next gen consoles and they are putting a ton of focus into their APU. You have to think about something than the high end power user which is the minority. I was quite critical of AMD after the BD release, but if you look at what they are doing it all makes sense and could lead to some pretty sweet solutions in the not so distant future.

 

[melikepie]

The company has all but secured the gpu market for all next gen consoles and they are putting a ton of focus into their APU. You have to think about something than the high end power user which is the minority. I was quite critical of AMD after the BD release, but if you look at what they are doing it all makes sense and could lead to some pretty sweet solutions in the not so distant future.

well they might not do so well with all the money they spend on there CPUs and i think they need to fix that before they can move on and im hoping for an am3+ cpu or all the sad people like me who baught one

 

[grumbledook]

Sure they will, at the right price point. If with piledriver and beyond they can fix BD's ipc and make it less power hungry they will be well on their way again. 2015 is still quite a while away, and I have my doubts that atom will really pan out.
Llano is already doing decent business and most seems to be happy with it, so in that sense they already have a good cpu(apu but still)

 

[computernewb]

amd is planning to stop competing with intel

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-APU-Z-Series-ARM-Tegra-3,14114.html

 

[melikepie]

amd is planning to stop competing with intel

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-APU-Z-Series-ARM-Tegra-3,14114.html

well since intel is doing good i say 5 maybe 6 years from now amd will no longer be

 

[grumbledook]

No, that's a wrong conclusion. They're just branching out and won't try to compete in the very high end processor market, where they rarely had much success anyway.

 

[de5_Roy]

short answer: not in the near future (2013~).
your question has a very broad answer.
depending on who you ask, amd is already making 'great' (depends on personal definition) cpus.
their apus work very well in entry level discreet gfx-less pcs.
their apus work great in laptops.
their cpus (when undervolted/tweaked for lower power consumption) can help build cheap servers/workstations.
problem is, amd has much less money to put into cpu development right now. they recently gave up chasing intel for performance, meaning that 'a great cpu'(emphasis on the cpu) might never be made. they're taking the heterogenous computing path (which, intel will also follow) and will try to make easy-to-manufacture cpus instead. they'll still compete in the value market with the apus.
'will they ever make a(nother) great apu?'
'they already made llano and brazos. so, yes.' 😛

 

[wr6133]

The high end market is a minority anyway. The largest % of users are low to mid range that come in their OEM systems bought from PC world or wherever. Now last time i walked through PC World to laugh at the crappiness I was surprised at the sheer amount of AMD powered sytems for sale. Lots of Llano's, a few snoozedozers (always marketed as "gaming PC's ) and the netbook/laptop area seemed to have doubled its amount of AMD since the last time i had been there.

 

[Raidur]

AMD makes great CPUs.

2015 is still quite a while away (especially with the way the tech world is more and more rapidly advancing), and that claim actually doesn't surprise me. Phenom II is in the IPC range of 45nm, high L2, C2D and C2Q still.

AMD may be out of the race, but they still make a good CPU. They're definitely slowing down these days but they used to have much superior IPC to Intel (especially during the Athlon 64 days '$450 4400+ Athlon X2 FTW!') and I don't think they're done yet. Bulldozer is a little hiccup but I highly doubt they're out of the game.

Remember, gamers and CPU intensive users/enthusiasts are a very small market in CPU sales. AMD isn't bottlenecking any single GPU setups out there yet, likely including HD7k / GTX700.

 

[melikepie]

short answer: not in the near future (2013~).
your question has a very broad answer.
depending on who you ask, amd is already making 'great' (depends on personal definition) cpus.
their apus work very well in entry level discreet gfx-less pcs.
their apus work great in laptops.
their cpus (when undervolted/tweaked for lower power consumption) can help build cheap servers/workstations.
problem is, amd has much less money to put into cpu development right now. they recently gave up chasing intel for performance, meaning that 'a great cpu'(emphasis on the cpu) might never be made. they're taking the heterogenous computing path (which, intel will also follow) and will try to make easy-to-manufacture cpus instead. they'll still compete in the value market with the apus.
'will they ever make a(nother) great apu?'
'they already made llano and brazos. so, yes.' 😛

well all computers have a prosseser in it so leading a prosseser company can really help but other then that maybe a new company will make something great im just scared intel will be the only company and will charge a lot

 

[melikepie]

The high end market is a minority anyway. The largest % of users are low to mid range that come in their OEM systems bought from PC world or wherever. Now last time i walked through PC World to laugh at the crappiness I was surprised at the sheer amount of AMD powered sytems for sale. Lots of Llano's, a few snoozedozers (always marketed as "gaming PC's ) and the netbook/laptop area seemed to have doubled its amount of AMD since the last time i had been there.

amd is on there way im hoping they will catch up

 

[de5_Roy]

well all computers have a prosseser in it so leading a prosseser company can really help but other then that maybe a new company will make something great im just scared intel will be the only company and will charge a lot

intel always takes the opportunity to suck some more money from the customers. if amd was in intel's place, they'd do exactly the same, they're both giant corporations. as for becoming the 'only' company - that's not gonna happen because of the government regulations in place.
besides, the competition is just changing venue - it's not going away. right now, intel, amd, nvidia (arm) all will be competing in the mobile sector. while intel might have supremacy in desktops, amd will still provide desktop apus and cpus. amd is on the way to become totally fabless and more flexible. their recent roadmap reflects that.

 

[melikepie]

intel always takes the opportunity to suck some more money from the customers. if amd was in intel's place, they'd do exactly the same, they're both giant corporations. as for becoming the 'only' company - that's not gonna happen because of the government regulations in place.
besides, the competition is just changing venue - it's not going away. right now, intel, amd, nvidia (arm) all will be competing in the mobile sector. while intel might have supremacy in desktops, amd will still provide desktop apus and cpus. amd is on the way to become totally fabless and more flexible. their recent roadmap reflects that.

well i think intel will get most desktop PCs but if so doesnt intel have %100 control over a bit of how much desktops are gonna cost?

 

[wr6133]

Theres laws and rules in place about monopolies so its in Intels interest to not actually utterly destroy AMD.

 

[de5_Roy]

well i think intel will get most desktop PCs but if so doesnt intel have %100 control over a bit of how much desktops are gonna cost?

if you look at the recent events, you'll notice that the biggest factor influencing desktops is hard disk drive price.

 

[melikepie]

Theres laws and rules in place about monopolies so its in Intels interest to not actually utterly destroy AMD.

well at this rate i think that intel gonna do just that and then lets see what happends

i really think amd is a failure they really need to look at what intel is doing with ivy bridge and future CPUs and just put all that in a nice really overclockable smaller then 22nm cpu and i will be happy but what exactly matters how small like what does it change and whats 22nm all the prossesers are the same size

 

[melikepie]

if you look at the recent events, you'll notice that the biggest factor influencing desktops is hard disk drive price.

well sadly i bought a 250gb hdd and for $10 more i could have got a 500gb so ya but i really dont look at the size of the hdd i just check if it is 250gb+

 

[vitornob]

AMD Llano is a great CPU btw.. it's my AMD's personal favorite

 

[wr6133]

well at this rate i think that intel gonna do just that and then lets see what happends

i really think amd is a failure they really need to look at what intel is doing with ivy bridge and future CPUs and just put all that in a nice really overclockable smaller then 22nm cpu and i will be happy but what exactly matters how small like what does it change and whats 22nm all the prossesers are the same size

I totally disagree. Yes it would be nice and many of us would like AMD to make a great performance CPU but from a business sense that would cost a pile in R&D and wouldnt probably yield the volume results. AMD's current range does have a good bite in the OEM sector with laptops and desktops and it would seem more sensible from a $$$ making point of view for them to pursue this volume sector rather than spend a fortune to deliver a CPU that a very small minority of people will actually buy.

Enthusiasts and Gamers that self build on high budgets using top line CPU's do not make up a large % of sales (or even a significant % read most build the threads here the majority of builds are on a budget). Its the lower and mid range stuff that big companies like Dell and others buy in bulk and churn out in large unit sales to companies and resellers bring home the bacon.

So the real question for AMD i would think to remain profitable in the CPU business is actually "Do we have a low to mid cost cpu series that can satisfy the demands of the average office worker or home user?"..... Well yes they do with Llano (have you seen how cheaply you can make average Joe's facebook browser/porno streamer with a llano build?).

The real disadvantage with AMD not going for the performance crown is it leaves Intel alone there so for those that do want the highest CPU's you have one choice and the company giving that choice has no reason to really lower prices on those units or even pursue the most aggresive development of them. They can sit back and charge what they like.

So although it would be nice for AMD to pull the cat outta the bag with some great new CPU it just wouldnt make the best business sense for them to do so.

 

[jdwii]

well at this rate i think that intel gonna do just that and then lets see what happends

i really think amd is a failure they really need to look at what intel is doing with ivy bridge and future CPUs and just put all that in a nice really overclockable smaller then 22nm cpu and i will be happy but what exactly matters how small like what does it change and whats 22nm all the prossesers are the same size

Easier said then done!

 

[madooo12]

AMD in the GPU arena used to suck untill ~2009 Now they have the best GPUs, Wish the same happens with CPUs

 

[jdwii]

AMD in the GPU arena used to suck untill ~2009 Now they have the best GPUs, Wish the same happens with CPUs

Yeah the Radeon 4800 HD Is what brought ATI back!

 

[amuffin]

The thing is that Intel CAN destroy amd and they CAN keep their prices minimum with amd being gone.

 

[wr6133]

Can they though? If they sunk AMD as they probably could have if they wished would they be forced to break up as they would have become a monopoly?