Discussion Is the 50 series going to be a flop?

[UKTone]

I currently have a 4070 Super, I believe Nvidia is only going to release their main line up every 2 years now instead of every year. So I'm thinking, they'll almost certainly be making Super versions of the cards, with them being significantly better (mostly price points and to probably work better with monitors since this will likely be their first time doing display port 2.1, not sure if it's confirmed to have it and not sure which UHBR version it'd be able to do either ).

With DP 2.1b and HDMI 2.2 coming out before the middle of the yr, think this is a good time to not buy a 50 series, unless you're a streamer or something, but still amd may be a better option, buying intel gpus would also help with forcing nvidia to lower prices. Also, getting others not to buy would be good too.

Another reason i want people not to buy, so they can see that people don't want the gpus to be better than x gpu only with dlss 4, so maybe help us get stronger overall cards.

My current plan is to upgrade to a 50 series super (or whatever they call it) or get a 60 series, since i only have 1 pci-e 5 slot on my motherboard and it looks like it requires 2 slots.

Is there any info on intel's high end gpu? My friend talks about it a lot, but best one i can find is the B580, is there anything about the next gpu from them? If they go to high end, they can definitely help with getting both amd and nvidia to lower their prices.

Is Qualcomm supposed to be making a gpu too? What other competition is there upcoming that could potentially compete with nvidia, amd, and intel's high end cards?

What are you guys' thoughts and opinions?

 

[USAFRet]

Upgrading from the 4xxx series to 5xxx might not be a great or cost effective idea.

But not everyone "upgrades". A LOT of people build a whole new system. For them, the 5xxx might not be a bad idea.
If I were building a new system at the end of 2025, 5xxx something would probably be in the mix.

 

[Gaidax]

I think that more than anything 5000 series is a strategic iterative upgrade.

It is clear that Nvidia and now AMD want to flood the market with framegen capable hardware, because that's where they see the next step of visual fidelity evolution.

It's a long game that will culminate with the next gen consoles, where you can be sure framegen will be the key capability. That will take a few more years, but it will happen and by that time all 3 PC GPU vendors want to be ready with already existing base in gamers' hands.

When framegen capability becomes a requirement rather than a bonus, that's when they will force all the hordes of dinosaurs to abandon their 10/20/30 series cards (and their alternatives for team red/blue) for an upgrade.

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Also, Nvidia is in this ~2-years cycle for a long time. It's not new.

I used to upgrade every other gen, so once in 4 years - but maybe now I'll hold out with my 3080Ti for 60 series, and not because 50 series is bad, but more like because I feel that there just aren't enough games yet to utilize its otherwise impressive capabilities.

 

[LuKaWin10]

Upgrading from the 4xxx series to 5xxx might not be a great or cost effective idea.

But not everyone "upgrades". A LOT of people build a whole new system. For them, the 5xxx might not be a bad idea.
If I were building a new system at the end of 2025, 5xxx something would probably be in the mix.

The 5000 series seems good to me. Something great that will at release seem totally great. If I ever make a pc i'll probably use a 5000 series GPU (currently using a 970 lol)

 

[Flayed]

If these new cards offer more performance for the same money (or slightly less) whats not to like?

 

[ilukey77]

Im going to wait for actual reviews im skeptical about Nvidia's BS that have already pulled 5070 as good as 4090 ..

Another thing that feels like a red flag is the 5090 vs 4090 vs 4080 vs 5080 ..

Ill explain the 4090 was what 1600usd at release so they have increased the price up buy $400usd so for all purposes the 5090 is going to crush the 4090 in a big way ..

BUT

Why is the 5080 only $1000usd and Nvidia can pump up the 4090 to 5090 price buy $400usd ??

Is the increase very small vs the 4080 or 4080 super because if you take the 5090 vs 4090s increase why is there no increase with the 5080??

The 5080 should be just as good if not just a little better in all specs as the 4090 so same performance maybe 20gb instead of the 24gb !!


Im not happy honestly about the 16gb on the 5080 if im truly honest as im looking for a upgrade on my 7900xtx if it was 20gb id be more interested ..

This makes me more interested about AMDs new line up ..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7UxldYYZM&t=1567s


what frank is saying here makes perfect sense with what AMD is trying to achieve ( i dont agree with some of it personally) for me though im in the $1000usd price bracket when i purchase my GPU ( sadly AMD have dropped the ball for me )

I want to pay into the $2000 aud price bracket because like my 6900xt and 7900xtx im happy to be at the higher tier card !!

So this gen i may end up buying the 5080 because its in my price bracket

 

[LordVile]

Im going to wait for actual reviews im skeptical about Nvidia's BS that have already pulled 5070 as good as 4090 ..

Another thing that feels like a red flag is the 5090 vs 4090 vs 4080 vs 5080 ..

Ill explain the 4090 was what 1600usd at release so they have increased the price up buy $400usd so for all purposes the 5090 is going to crush the 4090 in a big way ..

BUT

Why is the 5080 only $1000usd and Nvidia can pump up the 4090 to 5090 price buy $400usd ??

Is the increase very small vs the 4080 or 4080 super because if you take the 5090 vs 4090s increase why is there no increase with the 5080??

The 5080 should be just as good if not just a little better in all specs as the 4090 so same performance maybe 20gb instead of the 24gb !!


Im not happy honestly about the 16gb on the 5080 if im truly honest as im looking for a upgrade on my 7900xtx if it was 20gb id be more interested ..

This makes me more interested about AMDs new line up ..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7UxldYYZM&t=1567s


what frank is saying here makes perfect sense with what AMD is trying to achieve ( i dont agree with some of it personally) for me though im in the $1000usd price bracket when i purchase my GPU ( sadly AMD have dropped the ball for me )

I want to pay into the $2000 aud price bracket because like my 6900xt and 7900xtx im happy to be at the higher tier card !!

So this gen i may end up buying the 5080 because its in my price bracket

You have to remember the 90 series is just a rebranded Titan card, or to put it a different way the “prosumer” production card, and the 5090 is about 30% more CUDA and RT hardware for 25% more money and that’s not including generational improvements. We might end up seeing 40 or 50% improvement with the 90 specifically. AMD as far as gaming goes if MFG is actually good the 5070 is a steal at 550.

 

[punkncat]

My bigger concern where it comes to these new graphics cards are the power draw. We have a situation where it has already been shown that the power grid here in the states is already under a lot of stress, needs a lot of shoring up with incoming vehicle changes and so on....and the flagship card uses over 600W. My entire current system barely pulls that from the wall. THEN, channel that through a sub par power connector design.....

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Im going to wait for actual reviews im skeptical about Nvidia's BS that have already pulled 5070 as good as 4090 ..

Another thing that feels like a red flag is the 5090 vs 4090 vs 4080 vs 5080 ..

Ill explain the 4090 was what 1600usd at release so they have increased the price up buy $400usd so for all purposes the 5090 is going to crush the 4090 in a big way ..

BUT

Why is the 5080 only $1000usd and Nvidia can pump up the 4090 to 5090 price buy $400usd ??

Is the increase very small vs the 4080 or 4080 super because if you take the 5090 vs 4090s increase why is there no increase with the 5080??

The 5080 should be just as good if not just a little better in all specs as the 4090 so same performance maybe 20gb instead of the 24gb !!


Im not happy honestly about the 16gb on the 5080 if im truly honest as im looking for a upgrade on my 7900xtx if it was 20gb id be more interested ..

This makes me more interested about AMDs new line up ..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7UxldYYZM&t=1567s


what frank is saying here makes perfect sense with what AMD is trying to achieve ( i dont agree with some of it personally) for me though im in the $1000usd price bracket when i purchase my GPU ( sadly AMD have dropped the ball for me )

I want to pay into the $2000 aud price bracket because like my 6900xt and 7900xtx im happy to be at the higher tier card !!

So this gen i may end up buying the 5080 because its in my price bracket

From one leak from black ops 6 I think the 9070 supposedly was on par with a 4080 super. This was the non xt card. So who knows how good the xt version is?

That said as someone who just bought the 7900 xtx from Microcenter, I think I’m in my return period until nearly the end of the month (the 26th I think) I know I’m tempted to say man should I return the card for a 9070xt? The 5080 has crossed my mind but I’m not sure I want to give nvidia my money after they’ve jacked up prices in the past.

I did read that AMD is suggesting that fsr 4 may come to rdna 3 later but that they may still keep developing fsr3. But I’m in that catch 22 myself. Considering the idea of just sticking with the xtx as well.

 

[Gaidax]

My bigger concern where it comes to these new graphics cards are the power draw. We have a situation where it has already been shown that the power grid here in the states is already under a lot of stress, needs a lot of shoring up with incoming vehicle changes and so on....and the flagship card uses over 600W. My entire current system barely pulls that from the wall. THEN, channel that through a sub par power connector design.....

Well people should have seen that coming, the writing was on the wall on these. That is why I recommend for every bloke buying "gaming" PC to put there nothing less than 1kw PSU.

That's why my new PC from a year ago got 1600w PSU.

Watch this becoming even worse next gen. Now of course, this is much less of an issue for mid-range, but for high end - you can see that 5080 draws more than 3080Ti already. So, I bet even 6080 would already break 400w tdp by itself.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

You likely aren’t wrong. I just installed a new 1200 watt thermaltake gf3 that I got on sale for just under 150 to go with my 7900 xtx.