Discussion Is the 50 series going to be a flop?

[UKTone]

I currently have a 4070 Super, I believe Nvidia is only going to release their main line up every 2 years now instead of every year. So I'm thinking, they'll almost certainly be making Super versions of the cards, with them being significantly better (mostly price points and to probably work better with monitors since this will likely be their first time doing display port 2.1, not sure if it's confirmed to have it and not sure which UHBR version it'd be able to do either ).

With DP 2.1b and HDMI 2.2 coming out before the middle of the yr, think this is a good time to not buy a 50 series, unless you're a streamer or something, but still amd may be a better option, buying intel gpus would also help with forcing nvidia to lower prices. Also, getting others not to buy would be good too.

Another reason i want people not to buy, so they can see that people don't want the gpus to be better than x gpu only with dlss 4, so maybe help us get stronger overall cards.

My current plan is to upgrade to a 50 series super (or whatever they call it) or get a 60 series, since i only have 1 pci-e 5 slot on my motherboard and it looks like it requires 2 slots.

Is there any info on intel's high end gpu? My friend talks about it a lot, but best one i can find is the B580, is there anything about the next gpu from them? If they go to high end, they can definitely help with getting both amd and nvidia to lower their prices.

Is Qualcomm supposed to be making a gpu too? What other competition is there upcoming that could potentially compete with nvidia, amd, and intel's high end cards?

What are you guys' thoughts and opinions?

 

[USAFRet]

Upgrading from the 4xxx series to 5xxx might not be a great or cost effective idea.

But not everyone "upgrades". A LOT of people build a whole new system. For them, the 5xxx might not be a bad idea.
If I were building a new system at the end of 2025, 5xxx something would probably be in the mix.

 

[Gaidax]

I think that more than anything 5000 series is a strategic iterative upgrade.

It is clear that Nvidia and now AMD want to flood the market with framegen capable hardware, because that's where they see the next step of visual fidelity evolution.

It's a long game that will culminate with the next gen consoles, where you can be sure framegen will be the key capability. That will take a few more years, but it will happen and by that time all 3 PC GPU vendors want to be ready with already existing base in gamers' hands.

When framegen capability becomes a requirement rather than a bonus, that's when they will force all the hordes of dinosaurs to abandon their 10/20/30 series cards (and their alternatives for team red/blue) for an upgrade.

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Also, Nvidia is in this ~2-years cycle for a long time. It's not new.

I used to upgrade every other gen, so once in 4 years - but maybe now I'll hold out with my 3080Ti for 60 series, and not because 50 series is bad, but more like because I feel that there just aren't enough games yet to utilize its otherwise impressive capabilities.

 

[LuKaWin10]

Upgrading from the 4xxx series to 5xxx might not be a great or cost effective idea.

But not everyone "upgrades". A LOT of people build a whole new system. For them, the 5xxx might not be a bad idea.
If I were building a new system at the end of 2025, 5xxx something would probably be in the mix.

The 5000 series seems good to me. Something great that will at release seem totally great. If I ever make a pc i'll probably use a 5000 series GPU (currently using a 970 lol)

 

[Flayed]

If these new cards offer more performance for the same money (or slightly less) whats not to like?

 

[ilukey77]

Im going to wait for actual reviews im skeptical about Nvidia's BS that have already pulled 5070 as good as 4090 ..

Another thing that feels like a red flag is the 5090 vs 4090 vs 4080 vs 5080 ..

Ill explain the 4090 was what 1600usd at release so they have increased the price up buy $400usd so for all purposes the 5090 is going to crush the 4090 in a big way ..

BUT

Why is the 5080 only $1000usd and Nvidia can pump up the 4090 to 5090 price buy $400usd ??

Is the increase very small vs the 4080 or 4080 super because if you take the 5090 vs 4090s increase why is there no increase with the 5080??

The 5080 should be just as good if not just a little better in all specs as the 4090 so same performance maybe 20gb instead of the 24gb !!


Im not happy honestly about the 16gb on the 5080 if im truly honest as im looking for a upgrade on my 7900xtx if it was 20gb id be more interested ..

This makes me more interested about AMDs new line up ..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7UxldYYZM&t=1567s


what frank is saying here makes perfect sense with what AMD is trying to achieve ( i dont agree with some of it personally) for me though im in the $1000usd price bracket when i purchase my GPU ( sadly AMD have dropped the ball for me )

I want to pay into the $2000 aud price bracket because like my 6900xt and 7900xtx im happy to be at the higher tier card !!

So this gen i may end up buying the 5080 because its in my price bracket

 

[LordVile]

Im going to wait for actual reviews im skeptical about Nvidia's BS that have already pulled 5070 as good as 4090 ..

Another thing that feels like a red flag is the 5090 vs 4090 vs 4080 vs 5080 ..

Ill explain the 4090 was what 1600usd at release so they have increased the price up buy $400usd so for all purposes the 5090 is going to crush the 4090 in a big way ..

BUT

Why is the 5080 only $1000usd and Nvidia can pump up the 4090 to 5090 price buy $400usd ??

Is the increase very small vs the 4080 or 4080 super because if you take the 5090 vs 4090s increase why is there no increase with the 5080??

The 5080 should be just as good if not just a little better in all specs as the 4090 so same performance maybe 20gb instead of the 24gb !!


Im not happy honestly about the 16gb on the 5080 if im truly honest as im looking for a upgrade on my 7900xtx if it was 20gb id be more interested ..

This makes me more interested about AMDs new line up ..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7UxldYYZM&t=1567s


what frank is saying here makes perfect sense with what AMD is trying to achieve ( i dont agree with some of it personally) for me though im in the $1000usd price bracket when i purchase my GPU ( sadly AMD have dropped the ball for me )

I want to pay into the $2000 aud price bracket because like my 6900xt and 7900xtx im happy to be at the higher tier card !!

So this gen i may end up buying the 5080 because its in my price bracket

You have to remember the 90 series is just a rebranded Titan card, or to put it a different way the “prosumer” production card, and the 5090 is about 30% more CUDA and RT hardware for 25% more money and that’s not including generational improvements. We might end up seeing 40 or 50% improvement with the 90 specifically. AMD as far as gaming goes if MFG is actually good the 5070 is a steal at 550.

 

[punkncat]

My bigger concern where it comes to these new graphics cards are the power draw. We have a situation where it has already been shown that the power grid here in the states is already under a lot of stress, needs a lot of shoring up with incoming vehicle changes and so on....and the flagship card uses over 600W. My entire current system barely pulls that from the wall. THEN, channel that through a sub par power connector design.....

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Im going to wait for actual reviews im skeptical about Nvidia's BS that have already pulled 5070 as good as 4090 ..

Another thing that feels like a red flag is the 5090 vs 4090 vs 4080 vs 5080 ..

Ill explain the 4090 was what 1600usd at release so they have increased the price up buy $400usd so for all purposes the 5090 is going to crush the 4090 in a big way ..

BUT

Why is the 5080 only $1000usd and Nvidia can pump up the 4090 to 5090 price buy $400usd ??

Is the increase very small vs the 4080 or 4080 super because if you take the 5090 vs 4090s increase why is there no increase with the 5080??

The 5080 should be just as good if not just a little better in all specs as the 4090 so same performance maybe 20gb instead of the 24gb !!


Im not happy honestly about the 16gb on the 5080 if im truly honest as im looking for a upgrade on my 7900xtx if it was 20gb id be more interested ..

This makes me more interested about AMDs new line up ..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7UxldYYZM&t=1567s


what frank is saying here makes perfect sense with what AMD is trying to achieve ( i dont agree with some of it personally) for me though im in the $1000usd price bracket when i purchase my GPU ( sadly AMD have dropped the ball for me )

I want to pay into the $2000 aud price bracket because like my 6900xt and 7900xtx im happy to be at the higher tier card !!

So this gen i may end up buying the 5080 because its in my price bracket

From one leak from black ops 6 I think the 9070 supposedly was on par with a 4080 super. This was the non xt card. So who knows how good the xt version is?

That said as someone who just bought the 7900 xtx from Microcenter, I think I’m in my return period until nearly the end of the month (the 26th I think) I know I’m tempted to say man should I return the card for a 9070xt? The 5080 has crossed my mind but I’m not sure I want to give nvidia my money after they’ve jacked up prices in the past.

I did read that AMD is suggesting that fsr 4 may come to rdna 3 later but that they may still keep developing fsr3. But I’m in that catch 22 myself. Considering the idea of just sticking with the xtx as well.

 

[Gaidax]

My bigger concern where it comes to these new graphics cards are the power draw. We have a situation where it has already been shown that the power grid here in the states is already under a lot of stress, needs a lot of shoring up with incoming vehicle changes and so on....and the flagship card uses over 600W. My entire current system barely pulls that from the wall. THEN, channel that through a sub par power connector design.....

Well people should have seen that coming, the writing was on the wall on these. That is why I recommend for every bloke buying "gaming" PC to put there nothing less than 1kw PSU.

That's why my new PC from a year ago got 1600w PSU.

Watch this becoming even worse next gen. Now of course, this is much less of an issue for mid-range, but for high end - you can see that 5080 draws more than 3080Ti already. So, I bet even 6080 would already break 400w tdp by itself.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

You likely aren’t wrong. I just installed a new 1200 watt thermaltake gf3 that I got on sale for just under 150 to go with my 7900 xtx.

 

[ilukey77]

You have to remember the 90 series is just a rebranded Titan card, or to put it a different way the “prosumer” production card, and the 5090 is about 30% more CUDA and RT hardware for 25% more money and that’s not including generational improvements. We might end up seeing 40 or 50% improvement with the 90 specifically. AMD as far as gaming goes if MFG is actually good the 5070 is a steal at 550.

Id still wait if the 5070 is in your price gap to what AMD is going to offer if they have smashed RT this gen as in that video i posted frank hinted that they have focused on RT and AI machine leaning in the 9070 and 9070xt if the price is right the 5070 and 5070 ti may be overpriced and under perform !!

Not everyone is in the 5090 price gap!!

Sure i could sell my 7900xtx put some money together for the 5090 card its not in the realm of i seriously cant afford it .

Never my argument that the price increase is totally unfounded with the 5090!!

But like i said when the 5080 is less than the 4080 what are you actually getting better with the 5080 ??

Nvidia's not in the habit of giving you more for less money !

So by your figuring if the 4080 was 1200usd at release and the 5080 is 20% less at $1000usd does that meant there is 20% loss in performance ??

Of course they cant sell you a 20% less performance but seems like if they are charging you less than previous gen the uplift cant be great !!

 

[LordVile]

Id still wait if the 5070 is in your price gap to what AMD is going to offer if they have smashed RT this gen as in that video i posted frank hinted that they have focused on RT and AI machine leaning in the 9070 and 9070xt if the price is right the 5070 and 5070 ti may be overpriced and under perform !!

Not everyone is in the 5090 price gap!!

Sure i could sell my 7900xtx put some money together for the 5090 card its not in the realm of i seriously cant afford it .

Never my argument that the price increase is totally unfounded with the 5090!!

But like i said when the 5080 is less than the 4080 what are you actually getting better with the 5080 ??

Nvidia's not in the habit of giving you more for less money !

So by your figuring if the 4080 was 1200usd at release and the 5080 is 20% less at $1000usd does that meant there is 20% loss in performance ??

Of course they cant sell you a 20% less performance but seems like if they are charging you less than previous gen the uplift cant be great !!

AMDs cards are supposedly aimed at the 4070. Depending how many games support MFG and the price depends where they’re competitive. They won’t be as fast as a 5070 so they’ll have to be priced at most 500. If MFG is widely supported maybe 350.

Don’t think you’re mathing quite right there

 

[Gaidax]

It's all smoke and mirrors now, some people just repeat marketing claims, others are fanboying and fangirling for their favorite brand and some are just on copium/hopium.

Just step back from all this noise for 3-4 weeks, until we get actual real benchmarks. They are coming.

 

[beyondlogic]

I currently have a 4070 Super, I believe Nvidia is only going to release their main line up every 2 years now instead of every year. So I'm thinking, they'll almost certainly be making Super versions of the cards, with them being significantly better (mostly price points and to probably work better with monitors since this will likely be their first time doing display port 2.1, not sure if it's confirmed to have it and not sure which UHBR version it'd be able to do either ).

With DP 2.1b and HDMI 2.2 coming out before the middle of the yr, think this is a good time to not buy a 50 series, unless you're a streamer or something, but still amd may be a better option, buying intel gpus would also help with forcing nvidia to lower prices. Also, getting others not to buy would be good too.

Another reason i want people not to buy, so they can see that people don't want the gpus to be better than x gpu only with dlss 4, so maybe help us get stronger overall cards.

My current plan is to upgrade to a 50 series super (or whatever they call it) or get a 60 series, since i only have 1 pci-e 5 slot on my motherboard and it looks like it requires 2 slots.

Is there any info on intel's high end gpu? My friend talks about it a lot, but best one i can find is the B580, is there anything about the next gpu from them? If they go to high end, they can definitely help with getting both amd and nvidia to lower their prices.

Is Qualcomm supposed to be making a gpu too? What other competition is there upcoming that could potentially compete with nvidia, amd, and intel's high end cards?

What are you guys' thoughts and opinions?

i personally wont go near a non super now cause theres such huge gaps in nvidias line up they will most likely will release supers down the line.

as for intel gpus there should be 1 more die technically left

g31 should exist but we wont know if intel will release this die for gamers or if its more for creation

 

[ilukey77]

From one leak from black ops 6 I think the 9070 supposedly was on par with a 4080 super. This was the non xt card. So who knows how good the xt version is?

That said as someone who just bought the 7900 xtx from Microcenter, I think I’m in my return period until nearly the end of the month (the 26th I think) I know I’m tempted to say man should I return the card for a 9070xt? The 5080 has crossed my mind but I’m not sure I want to give nvidia my money after they’ve jacked up prices in the past.

I did read that AMD is suggesting that fsr 4 may come to rdna 3 later but that they may still keep developing fsr3. But I’m in that catch 22 myself. Considering the idea of just sticking with the xtx as well.

I would wait to see actual 3rd reviewers benchmarks before even thinking about the 9070 and 9070xt ..

Also there was a mention of that black ops 6 in that video which frank made that the numbers were not totally correct !!

The 7900xtx is still a banger of a card for its price point 24gb and trading blows with the 4080 in raster..

RT is a still a hot and miss system unless your in the 4090 eco system then almost everything you can play at 60fps 4K RT ultra.

Everything below needs DLSS or lower settings that nerf graphics anyway !!

I dont use RT because well to start the 7900xtx isnt very good and to be honest it doesnt hurt my gameplay experience by not using it so why do i actually need it ??

 

[Gaidax]

I dont use RT because well to start the 7900xtx isnt very good and to be honest it doesnt hurt my gameplay experience by not using it so why do i actually need it ??

Because RT increases the visual fidelity of the game and when people are shopping for a $1k cards give or take - they sure as heck don't want to compromise on that.

 

[beyondlogic]

I would wait to see actual 3rd reviewers benchmarks before even thinking about the 9070 and 9070xt ..

Also there was a mention of that black ops 6 in that video which frank made that the numbers were not totally correct !!

The 7900xtx is still a banger of a card for its price point 24gb and trading blows with the 4080 in raster..

RT is a still a hot and miss system unless your in the 4090 eco system them almost everything you can play at 60fps 4K RT ultra everything below needs DLSS or lower settings that nerf graphics anyway !!

I dont use RT because well to start the 7900xtx isnt very good and to be honest it doesnt hurt my gameplay experience by not using it so why do i actually need it ??

amds weakness is feature sets they way there hair textures work compared to nvidia can look like a hot mess.

could give a crap about whos leading the pack in framerate if the game looks like ass then theres zero point.

 

[ilukey77]

i personally wont go near a non super now cause theres such huge gaps in nvidias line up they will most likely will release supers down the line.

This is one of the reasons i dont like Nvidia would i ever feel like ive bought the best card in that series till the next gen when they supersede their rubbish cards every gen these days !!

3 3080s 2 4080s lost count of how many 4060s they released and 4070s !!

shout out to @bit_user for my correct spelling of supersede !!

 

[ilukey77]

Because RT increases the visual fidelity of the game and when people are shopping for a $1k cards give or take - they sure as heck don't want to compromise on that.

Not when you have to nerf it with DLSS to get playable frame rates !!

The 4080 super will not play every game 4k ultra with max RT at atleast 60fps with out DLSS ..

4090 pretty much will !!

Then we are not talking 1k cards are we ??

We are at $1600 usd cards or $2000usd cards with the 5090 !!

I know my $1000 at release 7900xtx couldnt get anywhere near Nvidia's RT performance but why did i need it ?

I got 4080 raster performance actually cheaper than the 4080 at release with 24gb of Vram !!

 

[beyondlogic]

This is one of the reasons i dont like Nvidia would i ever feel like ive bough the best card in that series till the next gen when they supersede their rubbish cards every gen these days !!

3 3080s 2 4080s lost count of how many 4060s they released and 4070s !!

shout out to @Bit user for my correct spelling of supersede !!

i figuired out there game around 2060 series however i look at it this way these days for the most energy efficient gpus wait for super releases. because they draw ah heck all extra power

 

[Gaidax]

Not when you have to nerf it with DLSS to get playable frame rates !!

The 4080 super will not play every game 4k ultra with max RT at atleast 60fps with out DLSS ..

4090 pretty much will !!

Then we are not talking 1k cards are we ??

We are at $1600 usd cards or $2000usd cards with the 5090 !!

What are you talking about mate?

You think 5070Ti or 5080 won't be able to handle 99.9% of existing titles with RT on at 60 FPS without DLSS?

People who will buy these cards will slap DLSS on to have 120FPS+, not to just be able to play games with RT.

I'm sorry but your ranting sounds like more strong feels about your favorite brand, more than anything else.

 

[Gaidax]

How do you know Nvidia have already said the 5070 is 4090 performance next your going to tell me you believe thats true ??

without DLSS keep dreaming !!

Most reviews have debunked that BS that it needs upscaling to get anywhere near 4090 performance

DLSS nerfs that so called visual fidelity !!

5080 is 20% less price than the 4080 at release so are the gains going to be decent ??

Questions anyone with half a brain should be asking before saying " Nvidia is the best because Jensen said it was "

Again, what are you talking about mate? You are literally throwing a bunch of random conspiracy theories with no numbers behind them whatsoever. Did Nvidia poison your dog? Jensen did something to you?

Are you okay? Drink some water.

 

[USAFRet]

Awright.....lets be nice. No personal attacks and sniping.
Deal?

 

[Gaidax]

go away its annoying to respond to silly people !!

you did read the thread title right its all speculation in here !!

move on to another thread with actual numbers !!

Again what do you want? I understand, Nvidia bad and Jensen is the evil incarnate.

How does it refute the facts that 5070Ti is likely to be at the very least 4080 level of performance baseline, and neither will have issues giving 60FPS with RT in 99.9% of the titles and that's what people should be expecting out of $1k GPU in 2025?

What is the issue with the above besides "Nvidia bad"?