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2. There is one review and gives 1% increase performance in gaming.

4. I always love as anonymous people in forums accuse people with real identities about hidden agendas... No, developers don't care about price. did you read them saying the contrary?

Why would not be recommending the six-core 3960X? Several reasons are stated in the article.
 


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I am curious, what 'truth' do you wait to see with this 'experiment'?
 
The first set of results bear no resemblance to the Tom's Hardware results because unrealistically low settings are being used, but I have no idea why the second set is so different (assuming VHQ stands for Very High Quality?).
 


http://diy.pconline.com.cn/329/3297240.html

Another review, aggregate 7% increase in general performance in the tested applications.

(Gaming is more gpu heavy than cpu heavy I wouldn't expect to see a whole lot of difference there just like there is often no difference between the i5 and i7 for gaming but for multithreaded applications there usually is).

If they didn't care about price the 3930/3960X is the better cpu. Beats the 8350 in almost everything, often by a significant margin. One source does not mean anything.
 


There's clearly GPU bottlenecking there - barely any difference between models. Reason for Crysis 3 is firstly that performance is actually significantly affected by CPU performance (unlike Bioshock) and secondly simply the fact that it's the most demanding game out, so makes sense to use it as a benchmark.

It was actually fairly well-reviewed by the way:

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=crysis+3&numrev=3&site=

Less than expected for a AAA title and well below Bioshock's reviews, but scores in the 70s still means a solid, enjoyable game. When I get my upgrade, it's the first thing I'll be playing without a doubt.
 


7% for average performance. The other review gave 5% for average performance. But I wrote about gaming performance: 1%.

One source is more than zero sources.
 
1. A true testing environment is with two GPUs, one from amd and one from nvidia, that are similar as possible.

2. NO benchmark is really usable (not that they aren't) if it uses highest Graphics settings. Graphics are dependent on, guess what, THE GPU. Now yes, the cpu does make a deal of difference, however if you just put of Benchmarks that are only HQ settings and have only one card, I mean seriously.

If you want to really prove it get this:
Tests that use:
- two GPUs, one from AMD and Nvidia, similar as possible.
- games on highest, and lowest settings (putting it on lowest will help force the CPU to work more as the GPU wont really have to do any work at all sense its less GPU intensive).

Okay, also keep this in mind.

If we were to not include the prices:

- How many cores does each have
- How fast does each run (GHz)
- How much power consumption

From my understanding, a stock i5-3570k runs at 3.4 and the FX8350 runs at 4.0. The FX has 8 cores while the i5 has 4 and No HT. Now usually the FX will, for the most part, beat the i5 in most games at stock settings. Now put that i5 at 4.0. Then it will usually beat the fx in most games. Now imagine the i5 in an 8 core version running at 4.0. Yeah you'll say its only per core, but think of that the FX is about $190 I believe right now, and the i5 is $220, for $30 more, you can get stock performance that's about the same, maybe overclock it to like 3.7 or 3.8, still use a stock fan, and pretty much beat the FX-8350 while still using less power. Now if your going for games that are highly CPU intensive like MMORPGs or Lol or something, and you play them for a living, then yeah get the AMD CPU most definitely, they dominate much over the Intel's on that part. However from what I know, only about 25%-30% maybe at max of the gaming population will do something like that.

And there is my point. With prices out of the question, the Intel processors pump out MUCH more power per core which sustaining much lower power usages. People always say, "yeah that's barely anything to notice when its only like 30 watts, and it wont cost that much more." You have to keep in mind the Power Supply. If I have a machine with an 850 watt PSU and with the Intel at stock it uses 830 on average, if I want to get an AMD, I would have to upgrade the PSU to a 900 or 950 just because of that. Now yeah its rare, but it does happen.

I would like to state that all of what I'm saying is true. And most 'experts' out there know all this. I would think if you say something completely otherwise, then you really favor one side. Please don't deny the truth. I came back with a new attitude, and I am a much more serious poster now and will only tell everything that is the truth.
 


Gaming is gpu dependant. If we are gpu bottlenecked (which most games are at max settings) you could have a cpu that was 1000000 times more powerful and not see any increase in fps.

One source is not enough for conclusions.

 


Most games at stock the Fx and i5 are pretty much tied in relevant benchmarks.

MMORPG's are pretty much a solid recommendation for intel as they tend to be highly IPC dependant (WOW, SC2, Gw2, Neverwinterknights are are highly cpu dependant on the ipc and the first three can tank hard in certain situations).

The main argument for power consumption is that I can use a smaller case and have a quieter pc. power consumption is pretty much irrelevant to the average consumer (unless you are using the computer as a render farm of something).

Your point about PSUs is correct. If for an intel system I need a 600 watt PSU (i5 overclocked) I'll probably need a 700 watt PSU for the overclocked 8350 system.
 


I thought that the AMD has more or less of an advantage on games that are heavily CPU dependent? I may be wrong, just making sure. And in that case, I guess it's another "win" for Intel! ^_^
 
Anyone who thinks that an FX8350 will "Whoop" and i7 3770k in multithreading, simply knows nothing of benchmarks and knows nothing about facts.

The fact is, an 8350 isn't an 8 core processor. It has 8 integer cores so it's good at that but it's bad at FP calculations. The reason why Ivy Bridge is so good at single threading is because it doesn't have to share resources like the 8350 does. If it needs 4 or less cores, then it uses 4 TRUE cores to get the job done. If it needs 8 cores then it uses 8 threads to get it done.

The 8350 can't have one TRUE core working on a task because it shares resources. This is why it has crappy single threaded performance. This is why an i7 whoops an 8350 in anything that uses 4 cores or less.

And even when all 8 threads or all 8 of the 8350's integer cores are used, the i7 STILL wins. In benchmarks like Cinebench 11.5 the 3770k dominates. In 3DSmax the 3770k dominates. In blender the 3770k wins. You give the 3770k a multithreaded benchmarks and it gives you a win over the 8350.

If you want to make a comparison then compare the 8350 to the 3570k. In this case it's all about what YOU want. The 8350 has a little better multithreading capability but the i5 DESTROYS when 4 cores or less are used. Like in gaming. And in benchmarks like Cinebench 11.5 the 3570k scores a 6.2 and 8350 scores a 7.0. So theres not too much difference. Actually at the same clocks, the 8350 and 3570k have the exact same Cinebench score. So usually if they are both clocked the same, multithreading will be somewhat even.

PLUS the 8350 comes factory clocked at 4.0Ghz. What if the 3570k or 3770k were factory clocked at 4.0Ghz? They would destroy the 8350 even more so. Being that a 3570, 3770k, and 8350 all overclock to around 5.0Ghz, with the 8350 you can get a 1.0Ghz advantage, but with the 3570k or 3770k you get a 1.6Ghz advantage. That's .6Ghz of an advantage the Intel's have over AMD.

AMD had to make up for poor performance by upping the core clock to 4.0Ghz. Intel's are so powerful that they can come clocked at 3.4Ghz and still be better. Had Intel decided to start them off a 4.0Ghz like the 8350 it would be a no brainer which processor to get. And in fact the 3570k would probably be better or the same in multitasking.

People who defend AMD are always short on facts. Don't get me wrong. I just bought an FX6300 to pair with a GTX650Ti Boost to go in a new cheaper gaming computer I'm building. I like AMD. I like the prices they have and the performance you get. But to start comparing a 180$ processor to a 320$ 3770k and saying it's better is just dead wrong. Even a 3570k at 220$ is a better buy in my eyes because it's more overclockable and it's single threaded and gaming performance is at the top.

You shouldn't base your "facts" on which processor YOU like. You should base them on actual facts and benchmarks and reviews like the one of Tom's Hardware. Which gives the 8350 a very fair review.
 


That is incorrect. Games that are more CPU dependant HIGHLY favor Intel processors. Because games only use 4 core or less and 4 Intel cores are far more powerful that 4 AMD cores, these games favor Intel. One intel core is roughly equal to 1 1/2-2 AMD cores.

In fact the opposite of what you said is true. Games that are GPU dependent like AMD processors because it really doesn't matter which processor you have.

The only games that seem to like AMD processors are the ones that use 8 cores. And that's just a handful of games, literally. And even with those games AMD processors only match that of an i5 3570k and still fall short of the 3770k.

Let's face it, popular games and MMO's like World of Tanks, all use 4 or less cores and are heavily CPU dependent being that their online multiplayer. And there's a whole lot of games like that. In these games, a 3770k or 3570k will beat the FX by a very noticeable margin. These MMO's are pretty much all like Skyrim. They all use 4 or less cores and they all like IPC. Which is why they favor Intel.

If the FX8350 should be compared to an Intel processor in gaming, then it should be compared to the i3 3220. Because benchmarks show that they are roughly the same.

It's not that the 8350 is bad in gaming. I just bought an FX6300 to game on and it'll be serviceable. But if you want the MAX performance, get an i5 or i7.
 


Well I guess in my case I'm future proof for a good while. I'm using an I7-3770k, with a gtx 680 4 GB , and eventually will get two of them. And the I7 is at 4.2, my goal is to get it no less than 4.6, hopefully 4.8 with the corsair h100i, :)
 


Hey buddy...you're reading quite a bit these days...

The i7-3770k wins some benchmarks handily...you note cinebench...(which is compiled with ICC, and really not relevant to large production houses as they mostly (95% or so of them) use Linux) Single threaded/lightly threaded synthetic benchmarks tend to favor Intel, they're the kings of synthetic benchmarks. Real world performance can be dramatically different.

Also, for games, most don't use HTT. Even Crysis 3 which supports HTT doesn't see a benefit (PCLab in Germany discovered the 3770k with HTT on has lower FPS in Crysis 3, than with it off in fact). So...the advantage there is minimal if any, and therefore, if you compare to the i5-3570k, then the i7-3770k is basically the same CPU. Additionally in other OS than windows, the FX8350 actually beats the i5s pretty handily and the i7-3770k even loses several benchmarks. (The Linux scheduler is far better than windows and has far less overhead) This comes as no surprise since the architecture performs very well in a server environment where Linux has high penetration.

The 8350 can't have one TRUE core working on a task because it shares resources. This is why it has crappy single threaded performance. This is why an i7 whoops an 8350 in anything that uses 4 cores or less.
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Actually, it can, if there is only 1 thread running, 1/2 a module has complete access to the FPU uninterrupted. The difference in single thread performance stems from other issues that will be resolved with steamroller.

And even when all 8 threads or all 8 of the 8350's integer cores are used, the i7 STILL wins. In benchmarks like Cinebench 11.5 the 3770k dominates. In 3DSmax the 3770k dominates. In blender the 3770k wins. You give the 3770k a multithreaded benchmarks and it gives you a win over the 8350.
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Cinebench = ICC compiled. Also, Cinebench is only based on software used by amateurs, professional design houses use Linux predominantly, and so the usefulness of this benchmark is based entirely upon amateur 3D rendering, as other companies have found a far better OS that runs significantly faster than windows.

If you want to make a comparison then compare the 8350 to the 3570k. In this case it's all about what YOU want. The 8350 has a little better multithreading capability but the i5 DESTROYS when 4 cores or less are used. Like in gaming. And in benchmarks like Cinebench 11.5 the 3570k scores a 6.2 and 8350 scores a 7.0. So theres not too much difference. Actually at the same clocks, the 8350 and 3570k have the exact same Cinebench score. So usually if they are both clocked the same, multithreading will be somewhat even.
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But intel didn't up the clock to keep TDP down, it's one of their "claims to fame". Power consumption which is so heavily cited as an intel advantage goes up greatly with clockspeed. This is because they use a bulk wafer to produce their Trigate chips. Bulk wafers do not allow higher clocks without large increases in voltage because the quality of insulation is far less. That's why SOI is such an expensive option for companies, but far more effective. It also contributes to AMD being able to overclock well. Otherwise in windows the 3570k and 8350 compare well, and you are right to point that out.

PLUS the 8350 comes factory clocked at 4.0Ghz. What if the 3570k or 3770k were factory clocked at 4.0Ghz? They would destroy the 8350 even more so. Being that a 3570, 3770k, and 8350 all overclock to around 5.0Ghz, with the 8350 you can get a 1.0Ghz advantage, but with the 3570k or 3770k you get a 1.6Ghz advantage. That's .6Ghz of an advantage the Intel's have over AMD.
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I covered why they didn't above.

AMD had to make up for poor performance by upping the core clock to 4.0Ghz. Intel's are so powerful that they can come clocked at 3.4Ghz and still be better. Had Intel decided to start them off a 4.0Ghz like the 8350 it would be a no brainer which processor to get. And in fact the 3570k would probably be better or the same in multitasking.
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AMD has traditionally had higher TDP in their enthusiast market chips...because of this, and the fact that enthusiasts look at power consumption last mostly, AMD was able to clock higher at stock and keep voltage at TDP. Additionally the quality of wafer in the CPU contributes to higher clocks.

People who defend AMD are always short on facts. Don't get me wrong. I just bought an FX6300 to pair with a GTX650Ti Boost to go in a new cheaper gaming computer I'm building. I like AMD. I like the prices they have and the performance you get. But to start comparing a 180$ processor to a 320$ 3770k and saying it's better is just dead wrong. Even a 3570k at 220$ is a better buy in my eyes because it's more overclockable and it's single threaded and gaming performance is at the top.
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Hmm...teksyndicate and openbenchmarking.org beg to differ. I am willing to bet there are several others who have found similar results in some circumstances under windows. In Linux, there are even more that have the results to which I am referring, and several others.

You shouldn't base your "facts" on which processor YOU like. You should base them on actual facts and benchmarks and reviews like the one of Tom's Hardware. Which gives the 8350 a very fair review.
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100% agreed, the TH review is about as fair as you can be in windows. Though, the rest of the world...(outside of the US) is migrating toward Linux more and more. Canonical support it much like MS supports windows. It costs far less to implement, the programs are similar and even use some of the same file formats for cross compatability.

Additionally, most of Europe and Asian governments are going to start using Ubuntu in their education and government systems. I think Google had a big part in the realization of Linux as an OS, simply because the android software has become so popular and it is Linux based. I think you will see a large % of market share migrating from windows to Linux distributions like Linux Mint and Ubuntu and Fedora. Particularly because windows 8 is being rammed down people's throats and they mostly hate it. I tried it recently on a co-workers PC, and I was amazed at how baffling it was to navigate it for a windows 7 user. I anticipate this fad may pass if Linux takes a large portion of market share from windows. (I don't expect it will become a majority in the US, perhaps worldwide...but even 30-40% penetration in the US would wake MS up from their "take what we give you and love it" stupor).
 
8350rocks, I have told you this before. Yes the Intel's user bulk wafers and can't get a higher clock, bit how much power is there at that clock speed. You are really disregarding that fact. If you ran the I5 at 4.0, it would destroy, if not then dominate the 8350 in really any test it comes to, while using less power.

I also love how you keep referring to tek syndicate. They fail to keep the computer specs as close as possible, they fail to really show the true graphics settings, abd they are usually using gpus that result get bottle necked. To truly test the cpu power itself in a game, you test it on the lowest settings, and to keep it fair, use the best gpus on the market to prevent bottle necking. If your claiming that a extremely gpu intensive game(s) run a lot better on a different cpu, then do the tests your self.

The fact that highly graphics intensive game with the 8350 can dominate the I7-8320 ( I think that's it, it's the other on one from tek syndicate) let alone the 3770k. And even so, it wouldn't make sense for a game to do better on a cpu with weaker cores when it hardly uses 3 cores let alone 4 cores. Please get valid info and stop favoring your AMDs by stating false facts.
 
gs.statcounter.com for Linux usage stats. Here in the UK, usage is around 1% (which is typical globally) and I'm unaware of any schools, colleges or universities using Linux here. The year of the Linux desktop is a long way off yet 😛 And before you bring up Steam, it represents a fraction of the games available for Windows. And Wine is extremely limited/hit-and-miss. Windows is still what counts for the desktop.
 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters

As local governments come under pressure from institutions such as the World Trade Organization and the International Intellectual Property Alliance, some have turned to Linux and other Free Software as an affordable, legal alternative to both pirated software and expensive proprietary computer products from Microsoft, Apple and other commercial companies. The spread of Linux affords some leverage for these countries when companies from the developed world bid for government contracts (since a low-cost option exists), while furnishing an alternative path to development for countries like India and Pakistan that have many citizens skilled in computer applications but cannot afford technological investment at "First World" prices.

In July 2001[1] the White House started moving their computers to a Linux platform based on Red Hat Linux and Apache HTTP Server.[2] The installation was completed in February 2009.[3][4] In October 2009 the White House servers adopted Drupal, an open source content management system software distribution.[5][6]

Brazil uses PC Conectado, a program utilizing Linux.

City of Munich chose 2003 to start to migrate its 14,000 desktops to Debian-based LiMux.[7] Even though more than 80% of workstations used OpenOffice and 100% used Firefox/Thunderbird five years later (November 2008),[8] an adoption rate of Linux itself of only 20.0% (June 2010) was achieved.[9][10] The effort was later reorganized, focusing on smaller deployments and winning over staff to the value of the program. By the end of 2011 the program had exceeded its goal and changed over 9000 desktops to Linux.[11] The city of Munich reported at the end of 2012 that the migration to Linux was highly successful and has already saved the city over €11 million (US$14 million).[12]

The United States Department of Defense uses Linux - "the U.S. Army is “the” single largest install base for Red Hat Linux"[13] and the US Navy nuclear submarine fleet runs on Linux.[14]

The city of Vienna has chosen to start migrating its desktop PCs to Debian-based Wienux.[15] However, the idea was largely abandoned, because the necessary software was incompatible with Linux.[16]

Spain was noted as the furthest along the road to Linux adoption in 2003.,[17] for example with Linux distribution LinEx

State owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) is installing Linux in all of its 20,000 retail branches as the basis for its web server and a new terminal platform. (2005) [18]

In April 2006, the US Federal Aviation Administration announced that it had completed a migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux in one third of the scheduled time and saved 15 million dollars.[19][dead link]

The Government of Pakistan established a Technology Resource Mobilization Unit in 2002 to enable groups of professionals to exchange views and coordinate activities in their sectors and to educate users about free software alternatives. Linux is an option for poor countries which have little revenue for public investment; Pakistan is using open source software in public schools and colleges, and hopes to run all government services on Linux eventually.

The French Parliament has switched to using Ubuntu on desktop PCs.[20][21]

The Federal Employment Office of Germany (Bundesagentur für Arbeit) has migrated 13,000 public workstations from Windows NT to OpenSuse.[22]

Czech Post migrated 4000 servers and 12,000 clients to Novell Linux in 2005[23][24]

Cuba - Students from the Cuban University of Information Science launched its own distribution of Linux called Nova to promote the replace of Microsoft Windows on civilian and government computers, a project that is now supported by the Cuban Government. By early 2011 the Universidad de Ciencias Informáticas announced that they would migrate more than 8000 PCs to this new operating system.[25][26][27]

The Canton of Solothurn in Switzerland decided in 2001 to migrate its computers to Linux, but in 2010 the Swiss authority has made a U-turn by deciding to use Windows 7 for desktop clients.[28]

France's national police force, the National Gendarmerie started moving their 90,000 desktops from Windows XP to Ubuntu in 2007 over concerns about the additional training costs of moving to Windows Vista, and following the success of OpenOffice.org roll-outs. The migration should be completed by 2015. The force has saved about €50 million on software licensing between 2004 and 2008.[29][30][31]

France's Ministry of Agriculture uses Mandriva Linux.[31]

Macedonia's Ministry of Education and Science deployed more than 180,000 Ubuntu based classroom desktops, and has encouraged every student in the Republic of Macedonia to use Ubuntu computer workstations.[32]

The People's Republic of China exclusively uses Linux as the operating system for its Loongson processor family, with the aim of technology independence.[33]

The US National Nuclear Security Administration operates the world's tenth fastest supercomputer, the IBM Roadrunner, which uses Red Hat Enterprise Linux along with Fedora as its operating systems.[34]

The regional Andalusian Autonomous Government of Andalucía in Spain developed its own Linux distribution, called Guadalinex in 2004.[35]

The South African Social Security Agency (SASSA) deployed Multi-station Linux Desktops to address budget and infrastructure constraints in 50 rural sites.[36]

In 2003, the Turkish government decided to create its own Linux distribution, Pardus, developed by UEKAE (National Research Institute of Electronics and Cryptology). The first version, Pardus 1.0, was officially announced in 27 December 2005.[37]

In 2010 The Philippines fielded an Ubuntu-powered national voting system.[38]

In July 2010 Malaysia had switched 703 of the state's 724 agencies to Free and Open Source software with a Linux based operating system used.[39] The Chief Secretary to the Government cited, "(the) general acceptance of its promise of better quality, higher reliability, more flexibility and lower cost".[40]

In late 2010 Vladimir Putin signed a plan to move the Russian Federation government towards free software including Linux in the second quarter of 2012.[41][42]

The city government of Largo, Florida, USA uses Linux and has won international recognition for their implementation, indicating that it provides "extensive savings over more traditional alternatives in city-wide applications."[43]

Iceland has announced in March 2012 that it wishes to migrate to open source software in public institutions. Schools have already migrated from Windows to Ubuntu Linux.[44]

In June 2012 the US Navy signed a US$27,883,883 contract with Raytheon to install Linux ground control software for its fleet of vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) Northrup-Grumman MQ8B Fire Scout drones. The contract involves Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, which has already spent $5,175,075 in preparation for the Linux systems.[45]

Education [edit]





Edubuntu CD kit.

Linux is often used in technical disciplines at universities and research centres. This is due to several factors, including that Linux is available free of charge and includes a large body of free/open source software. To some extent, technical competence of computer science and software engineering academics is also a contributor, as is stability, maintainability, and upgradability. IBM ran an advertising campaign entitled "Linux is Education" featuring a young boy who was supposed to be "Linux".[46]

Examples of large scale adoption of Linux in education include the following:

The OLPC XO-1 (previously called the MIT $100 laptop and The Children's Machine), is an inexpensive laptop running Linux, which will be distributed to millions of children as part of the One Laptop Per Child project, especially in developing countries.

Republic of Macedonia deployed 5,000 Linux desktops running Ubuntu across all 468 public schools and 182 computer labs (December 2005). Later in 2007, another 180,000 Ubuntu thin client computers were deployed.[47][48]

Schools in Bolzano, Italy, with a student population of 16,000, switched to a custom distribution of Linux, (FUSS Soledad GNU/Linux), in September 2005.[49]

Brazil has 35 million students in over 50,000 schools using 523,400 computer stations all running Linux.[50]

Government officials of Kerala, India announced they will use only free software, running on the Linux platform, for computer education, starting with the 2,650 government and government-aided high schools.[51]

22,000 students in the US state of Indiana had access to Linux Workstations at their high schools in 2006.[52]

Germany has announced that 560,000 students in 33 universities will migrate to Linux.[53]

The Philippines has deployed 13,000 desktops running on Fedora, the first 10,000 were delivered in December 2007 by ASI[disambiguation needed]. Another 10,000 desktops of Edubuntu and Kubuntu are planned.[54]

Russia announced in October 2007 that all its school computers will run on Linux.[55] This is to avoid cost of licensing currently unlicensed software.

In 2004 Georgia began running all its school computers and LTSP thin clients on Linux, mainly using Kubuntu, Ubuntu and stripped Fedora-based distros.[56]

9,000 computers to be converted to Linux and OpenOffice.org in school district Geneva, Switzerland by September 2008[57]

The Indian state of Tamil Nadu plans to distribute 100,000 Linux laptops to its students.[58][dead link]

The Chinese government is buying 1.5 million Linux Loongson PCs as part of its plans to support its domestic industry. In addition the province of Jiangsu will install as many as 150,000 Linux PCs, using Loongson processors, in rural schools starting in 2009.[59][dead link]

The Indian government's tablet computer initiative for student use employs Linux as the operating system as part of its drive to produce a tablet PC for under 1,500 rupees (US$35).[60]

In 2012 the Leibniz-Rechenzentrum (Leibniz Supercomputing Centre) (LRZ) of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences and Humanities unveiled the SuperMUC, the world’s fourth most powerful supercomputer. The computer is x86-based and features 155,000 processor cores with a maximum speed of 3 petaflops of processing power and 324 terabytes of RAM. Its operating system is SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.[61]


Home [edit]

Sony's PlayStation 3 came with a hard disk (20GB, 60GB or 80GB) and was specially designed to allow easy installation of Linux on the system.[62] However, Linux was prevented from accessing certain functions of the PlayStation such as 3D graphics.[citation needed] Sony also released a Linux kit for its PlayStation 2 console (see Linux for PlayStation 2). PlayStation hardware running Linux has been occasionally used in small scale distributed computing experiments, due to the ease of installation and the relatively low price of a PS3 compared to other hardware choices offering similar performance. As of April 1, 2010, Sony disabled the ability to install Linux "due to security concerns" starting with firmware version 3.21.[63]

In 2008 many netbook models were shipped with Linux installed, usually with a lightweight distribution, such as Xandros or Linpus, to reduce resource consumption on their limited resources.[64]

Through 2007 and 2008 Linux distributions with an emphasis on ease of use such as Ubuntu became increasingly popular as home desktop operating systems, with some OEMs, such as Dell, offering models with Ubuntu or other Linux distributions on desktop systems.[65]

Business [edit]





Ernie Ball moved its entire business to Red Hat Linux in 2000 following a licencing dispute with Microsoft.

Linux is also used in some corporate environments as the desktop platform for its employees, with commercially available solutions including Red Hat Enterprise Linux, SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, and Linspire.

Burlington Coat Factory has used Linux exclusively since 1999.[66]

Ernie Ball, known for its famous Super Slinky guitar strings, has used Linux as its desktop
operating system since 2000.[67]

Novell is undergoing a migration from Windows to Linux. Of its 5500 employees, 50% were successfully migrated as of April 2006. This was expected to rise to 80% by November.[68]

Wotif, the Australian hotel booking website, migrated from Windows to Linux servers to keep up with the growth of its business.[69]

Union Bank of California announced in January 2007 that it would standardize its IT infrastructure on Red Hat Enterprise Linux in order to lower costs.[70]

Peugeot, the European car maker, announced plans to deploy up to 20,000 copies of Novell's Linux desktop, SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, and 2,500 copies of SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, in 2007.[71]

Mindbridge, a software company, announced in September 2007 that it had migrated a large number of Windows servers onto a smaller number of Linux servers and a few BSD servers. It claims to have saved "bunches of money."[72]

Virgin America, the low cost U.S. airline, uses Linux to power its in-flight entertainment system, RED.[73]

Amazon.com, the US based mail-order retailer, uses Linux "in nearly every corner of its business".[74]

Google uses a version of Ubuntu internally nicknamed Goobuntu.[75][76][77][78]

IBM does extensive development work for Linux and also uses it on desktops and servers internally.[79] The company also created a TV advertising campaign: IBM supports Linux 100%.[80]

Wikipedia moved to running its servers on Ubuntu in late 2008, after having previously used a combination of Red Hat and Fedora[81]

DreamWorks Animation adopted the use of Linux since 2001, and uses more than 1,000 Linux desktops and more than 3,000 Linux servers.[82][83][84]

The Chicago Mercantile Exchange employs an all-Linux computing infrastructure and has used it to process over a quadrillion dollars worth of financial transactions[85][86]

The Chi-X pan-European equity exchange runs its MarketPrizm trading platform software on Linux.[86]

The London Stock Exchange uses the Linux based MillenniumIT Millennium Exchange software for its trading platform and predicts that moving to Linux from Windows will give it an annual cost savings of at least £10 million ($14.7 million) from 2011-12[87][88]

The New York Stock Exchange uses Linux to run its trading applications.[86]

American electronic music composer Kim Cascone migrated from Apple Mac to Ubuntu for his music studio, performance use and administration in 2009.[89]

McDonald's uses the Ubuntu operating system at McCafes.[citation needed]

Laughing Boy Records under the direction of owner Geoff Beasley switched from doing audio recording on Windows to Linux in 2004 as a result of Windows spyware problems.[90]

Nav Canada's new Internet Flight Planning System for roll-out in 2011, is written in Python and runs on Red Hat Linux.[91]

Electrolux Frigidaire Infinity i-kitchen is a "smart appliance" refrigerator that uses a Linux operating system, running on an embedded 400 MHz Freescale i.MX25 processor with 128 MB of RAM and a 480×800 touch panel.[92]

DukeJets LLC (USA) and Duke Jets Ltd. (Canada), air charter brokerage companies, switched from Windows to Ubuntu Linux in 2012 upon converting their operations management suite to the web-based AirManager software package they helped design.[93]

Banco do Brasil of Brazil, the biggest bank in that country, has moved nearly all desktops to Linux, except some corporate ones and a few that are need to operate some specific hardware. They began migration of their servers to Linux in 2002. Branch servers and ATMs all run Linux. The distribution of choice is OpenSuse 11.2.[94][95]

Scientific institutions [edit]





The IBM Roadrunner, the world's third fastest supercomputer operated by the US National Nuclear Security Administration, uses Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora as its operating systems.CERN uses Scientific Linux in all its work, including running the Large Hadron Collider and for its 20,000 internal servers.[96]

Canada's largest super computer, the IBM iDataPlex cluster computer at the University of Toronto uses Linux as its operating system.[97][98]

The Internet Archive uses hundreds of x86 servers to catalogue the internet, all of them running Linux.[99]

ASV Roboat autonomous robotic sailboat runs on Linux[100][101]

Tianhe-I, the worlds fastest super computer as of October 2010, located at the National Centre for Supercomputing in Tianjin, China runs Linux.[102][103]

FermiLab's Dark Energy Camera and associated 4m telescope, part of the The Dark Energy Survey will be controlled by and store all its data on computers running Linux.[104]

The University of Portsmouth in the United Kingdom has deployed a "cost effective" high performance computer that will be used to analyse data from telescopes around the world, run simulations and test the current theories about the universe. Its operating system is Scientific Linux. Dr David Bacon of the University of Portsmouth said: "Our Institute of Cosmology is in a great position to use this high performance computer to make real breakthroughs in understanding the universe, both by analysing the very latest astronomical observations, and by calculating the consequences of mind-boggling new theories...By selecting Dell’s industry-standard hardware and open source software we’re able to free up budget that would have normally been spent on costly licences and reinvest it."[105]

In September 2011 ten autonomous unmanned air vehicles were flown in flocking flight by the École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne’s Laboratory of Intelligence Systems in Lausanne, Switzerland. The UAVs each sense each other and control their own flight in relation to each other, each has an independent processor running Linux to accomplish this.[106]

Celebrities [edit]

In August 2012 British actor Stephen Fry stated that he uses Linux. "Do I use Linux on any of my devices? Yes – I use Ubuntu these-days; it seems the friendliest."[107]
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The school systems and governments of Germany, Spain, and China are adopting Ubuntu by the end of 2014, and there are many governments using it already.
 
Hi again, 8350. I would like congratulate you for that you have used quote to an extreme. Keep in mind were on the topic of gaming, not business. Even so, ps3 doesn't come with Linux and not many people would change to Linux top game on their ps3. You fail to show AMD is better with games on Linux. Also you failed in that quote to show that most gamers use Linux.
 


There are several benchmarks showing how the FX-8350 beats a i7-3770k. The maximum advantage that I have seen the FX was a 42% faster than the i7.

The 8350 is an 8-core processor. AMD FX design is based in a previous CIC (Clustered Integer Core) design by DEC.

Cinebench is a biased benchmark that uses ICC and gives fake scores favouring Intel chips:

http://sharikou.blogspot.com.es/2009/12/ftc-accuses-intel-of-rigging-benchmarks.html

for 3DSmax the FX-8350 is slightly faster than the i7-3770k

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The above benchmarks were obtained with intel running stock memory, but the FX running underclocked memory. W7 SP1 more the manual FX hotfixes. As shown by toms the manual hotfixes affect both performance and power consumption of FX chips. Use automatic updates or change to W8 and use the stock speed RAM and the FX will be still faster in 3DSMAX.

Blender is just another of those applications where the FX excels.

4 threads games are using about the 100% of an i5-3570k but only about a 50% of the FX-8350. Those games are not using all the performance of the FX chip. Crysis 3 is one of a new gen of games that start to use all the performance of the FX-8350. In those the FX beats both the i5 and the i7.

If the the 3570k or 3770k were factory clocked at 4.0Ghz. AMD could release a FX at 4.5 GHz... or a FX Centurion at 5GHz or a FX SteamRoller chip.

Yes if you force both chips to run at the same overclocked speed then you are giving an extra 0.6 GHZ advantage to intel, but why would a chip be locked to the clock speed of another chip?

--My friend, which is the maximum clock that you got stable your intel?
--4.1 GHz.
--Ok I will clock the mine to 4.1 even if mine can go up to 4.7... 🙂



Already Toms showed that Crysis loses performance (about a 1% if my memory does not fail) in an i7 when HT is on.



As has been claimed often, net statistics from sites do not represent real usage of linux. Moreover, whereas statcounter gives a 1% share, W3Counter gives a 2%. This is a 100% error!!! Steam gives a number of linux users rather close to the number of windows 8 users, when linux is not generally used for gaming, therefore Steam users do not represent world Linux users.

Other ways of counting share give 5--10% for linux. On supercomputers 99%, on web servers above 70%, on film industry above 90%... Tom has a recent article on the topic and gives linux a market share about twice that of windows users. They also count android (linux based) devices.

But in any case, I am sorry to say you this but when I chose something I don't look to share or popularity. I don't reject a HD 7990 or a GTX Titan because only a 0.2% of gamers have them, and I don't consider Intel HD3000 a good graphics card because was the more popular graphic card on Steam 🙂
 


Based only on the people employed by the companies and the student figures from that list in the article I posted above...that's over 60 million Linux users in the educational and private sectors alone. If we begin including household users, I would be willing to bet we probably get closer to 80 million installed Linux PCs based only on that information. If we include android phones...that numbers rises dramatically to 375 million Linux users. Based solely on this list and android users, that's approximately 6% of the world's population.
 


Did I not say desktop? Android is not desktop. I know that Wiki article but I'm not going to deny usage statistics just because I don't like what they're saying. I admire and appreciate Linux for the things it does well and I'd love to see greater awareness of it, but that doesn't mean I'll straight up lie to people about some mass exodus from Windows to Linux that isn't happening in the real world.

You're getting off topic (CPUs remember?) and clutching at straws now to argue the case for your beloved FX8350. Who the hell names their account after a piece of hardware anyway?!
 


How do they not? Don't just deny the stats - back up your argument with something at least. Web servers may not be visiting other sites, but we're talking about desktop. Look at the FAQs page and you'll see how the stats are generated. Broad range (REALLY broad) of sites that won't get a biased selection of users visiting certain kinds of sites. I can't see a flaw in their methodology (which they're extremely open and transparent about).



Desktop.



That's exactly right - it's stupid to make a choice based on popularity alone. It's also stupid to try and convert people to something by pretending it's more popular than it actually is rather than simply arguing its merits. I'm not sure why Linux was even dragged into this, other than a desperate attempt to argue the case for the FX8350.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/forum-50.html

If you want to talk about Linux.
 


The screen name has nothing to do with the price of goats in Africa...besides...who uses their real name in a screen name?

I can't take steam usage seriously because it doesn't represent the world's population. Additionally, Linux is HUGE in many countries. China has 2 billion people...and the Chinese government is switching to Linux...want to bet there will be some people changing over their software when the government announces full transition to Linux? Especially since the software is free...and most of them are running pirated copies of outdated windows OS now, and don't want to pay for legit copies.

Additionally...you cannot glean actual figures for the number of desktops that run Linux in any meaningful conclusive way. Even the "pros" will tell you that they only post their best "guesstimate".
 


You can run android on the desktop as well. Moreover, you gave us statcounter stats, which count desktop and mobile.

I have given you an specific example showing how your statcounter figure can be 100% wrong by citing another net statistics.

Several prominent people has noted that web-counter methods to estimate worldwide share are wrong because over-emphasize North American market and underestimate the the rest of world, especially China. I am European and here, I find linux installed in lots of places from homes to offices, classrooms or just cibercafes. I can go to several physical and online big markets (for average Joes, not some kind of specialised store for geeks) and buy PCs with linux pre-installed. Caitlyn Martin adds:

It seems like almost every day someone in the tech press or someone commenting in a technical forum will claim that Linux adoption on the desktop (including laptops) is insignificant. The number that is thrown around is 1%. These claims are even repeated by some who advocate for Linux adoption. Both the idea that Linux market share on the desktop is insignificant and the 1% figure are simply false and have been for many years...Where does the 1% number come from? There are two sources: very old data and web counters. The problem with using web counters to try and ascertain market share is that they generally only include websites that have paid to be counted. That pretty much guarantees that Windows will be overcounted
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http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html

There are many millions of users who run linux on their AMD based computers and they know that their PCs run fine and often faster than Intel based ones.

I think you did not understand me but the 5--10% figure that I gave before refers to linux 'desktop' (no servers, no supercomputers, no tablets...)

 
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