Is the Human Brain the Fastest Cpu

[PC_Side_Line]

yeah? Talk to your MS calculator and ask it what color the SKY is?

what do u think it would do?

i'll tell u what it would do: it would sit there waiting for input.

you can wait till hell freezes over and it still won't answer this simple question.

Computers are stupid and very slow.

 

[PC_Side_Line]

it is like comparing a hammer to a piece of gravel.

 

[PC_Side_Line]

The human brain is over a billion times more advanced than a super computer.

The hardware and software are one unit in a human brain.

a s(t)up(id)er computer , SUPER computer has to have hardware separate from software.

 

[hergieburbur]

This is one of those ultimate example's of human hubris: Which is better (do we take more pride in), Ourselves, or one of our greatest inventions?

That being said, its a pointless comparison.

Comparing the Human Brain to AI would be a better comparison. They both have to be taught most of their intelligence, though the human brain has native functions such as body regulation, social functions, etc built in whereas AI would not. The big difference is that the human brain is not constrained by the same rules, and has the capacity to adapt its thinking and for invention.

One could also make the argument that the brain does more "work" than a CPU, but you would have to compare to several thousand CPUs at that point.

 

[elbert]

The latest figures has the fastest super computer at 1/100 to 1/200 that of the human brain. Those estimates dont always move in the favor of the CPU because we learn new things about the brain and how it works.

I beg to differ. Ask a human what 5^879 is that human wouldn't be able to come up with an answer for a very long time. Ask Microsoft Calculator and it will give you an instant answer.
True but ask a computer to walk across a rocky field and a human.

 

[elbert]

Many have equated the amount of information the human brain holds to harddrive storage however the information the human brain holds is more like cache and RAM. Our harddrives are more like file cabinates, pictures, things we write down, and librarys.

Human memory works NOTHING like cache or RAM.

The latest figures has the fastest super computer at 1/100 to 1/200 that of the human brain. Those estimates dont always move in the favor of the CPU because we learn new things about the brain and how it works.

Where are these figures, exactly? Or did you just make that up? (Rhetorical question...)
Memory is stored and retreived at the same speed it is processed so your a little correct as its not like RAM but just cache. RAM and cache is volital is it not? Stroke victoms have to relearn just like a child so most data stored in the brain must be volital. If you dont like 1/100 you do the math using moores law. Thats ever 18 months tech doubles and the closest estimate is 2020 or atleast 13 years.

Human memory is a network of abstract patterns, stored and retrieved through electro-chemical reactions between synapsis. Cache and RAM are finite data stores that are stored and retrieved through electro-magnetic reactions.

RAM/Cache storage happens through constant refreshing of diminishing magnetic fields, and the brain stores things electrically (short-term memory), chemically (medium-term), and physically (long-term) by reorganizing neurons in the brain.


I'm just saying you can't compare the brain's memory to RAM, the same way you can't compare the brain's computing power to a CPU.

The lack of AI isn't a result of lack of computing power, more lack of understanding of self-awareness and comprehension.
I'm just saying the CPU will have to make up for the massive bandwidth the human brain has to its data. The CPU cant retrieve fast enough from a slow media like the hard drive so its left upto the RAM and cache. So we must find a way of comparing them if were to determine when computers can compete with the human brain.

Comparing the brains momory to RAM is same as comparing the brains processing power to the CPU. As much is guess work of the brains processing power and how it works is as different as how the CPU.

 

[elbert]

The human brain is over a billion times more advanced than a super computer.

The hardware and software are one unit in a human brain.

a s(t)up(id)er computer , SUPER computer has to have hardware separate from software.

Agreed and here we are not even talking about how long a single CPU will catch up with the human brain. Now a decade old pentium pro super computer isnt even beat by a 80 core intel CPU. How long until the single CPU can beat the 2020 supercomputer that only matchs the human brain?

 

[SSS_DDK]

a quote from an old computer user back in the 70's:

A computer is a dumb machine, it's limited to human interaction with it.
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Can a computer theorize about how to solve bacterial problems? No it has to be programmed to do so.

A computer can't theorize about anything unless programmed to do so first.

So which is faster? a computer that gets asked a question, is the sky blue or not? or an adult human even an elementary school kid knows if the the sky is blue or not.

Certainly a human can answer a sky blue question much faster than a stupid computer!

So which is faster?

I dare you to go walk up to any super computer right now in the world, and ask it, is the sky blue? I will guarantee u, you will get no response!

but if u ask a human that question, u get an immediate response!

Why is that? it's because our brain has been programmed to respond to audio and visual stimulii. Do u think the worlds fastest super computer can react like a human brain can?

Which is faster? human brain or cpu?

A human too needs to be taught...where else did you spend the first 25 years of your life....humans have a pre progam (instinct) whereas computers need some form of teaching....

 

[cpburns]

one note of interest when it comes to strict calculation of the sort you posed, a 5 digit number squared, is that the conscious brain slows its power. the very act of consciously thinking about a problem slows down your process of solving the problem.

on the other hand, yes, the brain is far better at mass 3D intake, manipulation, and judgement. "is that guy gonna bust a cap in my ass? ... well the gun is cocked and pointed at me. *duck*" a computer would have a hell of a time unravelling the 3D information, simplifying it and recognizing WHAT it sees first off before it could even move onto figuring out what what it sees means.

 

[cpburns]

The latest figures has the fastest super computer at 1/100 to 1/200 that of the human brain. Those estimates dont always move in the favor of the CPU because we learn new things about the brain and how it works.

I beg to differ. Ask a human what 5^879 is that human wouldn't be able to come up with an answer for a very long time. Ask Microsoft Calculator and it will give you an instant answer.

well, it'll give you some estimate ^_^ i bet MS Calc 64bit would be more accurate 😛

 

[PC_Side_Line]

SSS do i have to clarify myself?

thanx for quoting me but its assumed with most ppl here that we compare an ADULT human to a cpu

Still a new born baby knows how to sneeze, knows how to look at its' mother, and knows to cry for whatever reason it has a need.

SSS, do u think the worlds fastest cpu can do any or one thing that a NEWBORN baby can do?

I hold a baby in my arms, it responds to me

I hold a CPU in my hand or arms, what does it do? Absolutely nothing
EVEN IF I HOLD 1000 CPu's in my hand, they are still not faster than a new born human baby.

there is no comparison

a cpu is is completely and utterly stupid. how many times do i have to say this?

 

[heartview]

SSS do i have to clarify myself?

thanx for quoting me but its assumed with most ppl here that we compare an ADULT human to a cpu

Still a new born baby knows how to sneeze, knows how to look at its' mother, and knows to cry for whatever reason it has a need.

SSS, do u think the worlds fastest cpu can do any or one thing that a NEWBORN baby can do?

I hold a baby in my arms, it responds to me

I hold a CPU in my hand or arms, what does it do? Absolutely nothing
EVEN IF I HOLD 1000 CPu's in my hand, they are still not faster than a new born human baby.

there is no comparison

a cpu is is completely and utterly stupid. how many times do i have to say this?

But what you fail to mention are all the things a computer can do that a newborn baby cannot. Can a baby calculate Pi to 1 million decimal places? Can a baby render (project) a 3D image of the inside of the Empire State Building and allow you to "walk" through it at your leisure? Can a baby store the entire contents of the Encyclopedia Britannica and recite it word for word? It takes YEARS for a baby to learn to speak and listen to (and obey) simple commands, it only takes a few minutes for a computer to "learn" that. The list goes on and on....

If all it took to be "stupid" was to not be able to do something someone else could, every damn thing (including all people) on the planet would be stupid. Your logic is flawed at best.

 

[Fernando_M]

SSS do i have to clarify myself?

thanx for quoting me but its assumed with most ppl here that we compare an ADULT human to a cpu

Still a new born baby knows how to sneeze, knows how to look at its' mother, and knows to cry for whatever reason it has a need.

SSS, do u think the worlds fastest cpu can do any or one thing that a NEWBORN baby can do?

I hold a baby in my arms, it responds to me

I hold a CPU in my hand or arms, what does it do? Absolutely nothing
EVEN IF I HOLD 1000 CPu's in my hand, they are still not faster than a new born human baby.

there is no comparison

a cpu is is completely and utterly stupid. how many times do i have to say this?

But what you fail to mention are all the things a computer can do that a newborn baby cannot. Can a baby calculate Pi to 1 million decimal places? Can a baby render (project) a 3D image of the inside of the Empire State Building and allow you to "walk" through it at your leisure? Can a baby store the entire contents of the Encyclopedia Britannica and recite it word for word? It takes YEARS for a baby to learn to speak and listen to (and obey) simple commands, it only takes a few minutes for a computer to "learn" that. The list goes on and on....

If all it took to be "stupid" was to not be able to do something someone else could, every damn thing (including all people) on the planet would be stupid. Your logic is flawed at best.
I agree with you. If a baby is smarter than a computer just because the baby can do "things that are natural" to any live animal, then any animal should be considered smarter than a computer too. Of course that if i hold my computer in my arms, i don't expect that it will react like a live thing (thank God my pc doesn't cry, poop or pee). :lol:

My opinion is that a human brain and a computer can not be compared to each other, unless we choose specific tasks. The human brain is by far more complete and complex and is able to do amazing things. But in certain tasks, a simple computer can easily "outsmart" (i don't know if this word exists) the most intelligent person.

 

[Major_Spittle]

The brain is not a mechanical device and cannot be compared to one because it is much too complex.

Consider all the functions the brain performs to allow a person to play ping pong. All 5 senses, every muscle in body, every background thought, sustaining life functions, and to do it quick enough that a person can actually play at a speed in which the ball can barely be seen.

I would say that the human brain does much more in 1/10th of a second than a CPU does when calculating Pi to 16 millionth place. Fine muscle control of the whole human body could never be accomplished by a computer today, let alone storing and recalling years worth of visual, taste, touch, sound, or smell input and applying it all instantly to every current visual, taste, touch, sound, or smell input that is currently occurring while cross referrencing all of them from past experiences to create a somewhat uniform reaction to situations in all humans.

Try to get a computer to learn something that is not defined in any way shape or form. <Syntax Error>

 

[heartview]

My opinion is that a human brain and a computer can not be compared to each other, unless we choose specific tasks. The human brain is by far more complete and complex and is able to do amazing things. But in certain tasks, a simple computer can easily "outsmart" (i don't know if this word exists) the most intelligent person.

A good example of that last point you made is the chess match between Kasparov and Deep Blue. One thing that computers will always be better at than humans is any problem that can be solved with "brute force". One thing that the human brain will likely always be better at is processing a vast array of stimulus at one time (all of our senses at once as well as running our bodies, thinking, chewing gum, and all the other stuff we can do all at the same time).

 

[elbert]

I agree with you. If a baby is smarter than a computer just because the baby can do "things that are natural" to any live animal, then any animal should be considered smarter than a computer too. Of course that if i hold my computer in my arms, i don't expect that it will react like a live thing (thank God my pc doesn't cry, poop or pee). Laughing

My opinion is that a human brain and a computer can not be compared to each other, unless we choose specific tasks. The human brain is by far more complete and complex and is able to do amazing things. But in certain tasks, a simple computer can easily "outsmart" (i don't know if this word exists) the most intelligent person.

The PC does (cry) IE beeps at you until you install the OS.

 

[core2duo]

a cpu cant gues, it has to calculate the answer, and we dont. 😀
a human is a hole computer built into one part 8) .
No brain think totally alike, all cpus will give you the same answer but at different speeds.

 

[cryogenic]

a cpu cant gues, it has to calculate the answer, and we dont. 😀
a human is a hole computer built into one part 8) .
No brain think totally alike, all cpus will give you the same answer but at different speeds.

Quote wiki on Genetic algorithm

A genetic algorithm (GA) is an algorithm used to find approximate solutions to difficult-to-solve problems through application of the principles of evolutionary biology to computer science. Genetic algorithms use biologically-derived techniques such as inheritance, mutation, natural selection, and recombination. Genetic algorithms are a particular class of evolutionary algorithms.

So computers can guess to calculate an answer, and the result of two different runs of an genetic algorithm simply can't be predicted accurately... that sounds allot like human thinking to me.

 

[crusher]

Hey there is a man capable to do any aritmetic operation, is faster and better than the latest calculator available in this world and his name is:




Chuck Norris

For godsake who u were thinking about?

 

[elbert]

My opinion is that a human brain and a computer can not be compared to each other, unless we choose specific tasks. The human brain is by far more complete and complex and is able to do amazing things. But in certain tasks, a simple computer can easily "outsmart" (i don't know if this word exists) the most intelligent person.

A good example of that last point you made is the chess match between Kasparov and Deep Blue. One thing that computers will always be better at than humans is any problem that can be solved with "brute force". One thing that the human brain will likely always be better at is processing a vast array of stimulus at one time (all of our senses at once as well as running our bodies, thinking, chewing gum, and all the other stuff we can do all at the same time).
Was this the first match where Kasparov won or the second match where Deep Blue won? lol Ever played a chess on a PC on high settings? You'll be waiting a while for the PC to make ever possible move. I would guess it took deep blue just to stay under the time limit.

 

[heartview]

Was this the first match where Kasparov won or the second match where Deep Blue won? lol

He won against Deep Thought and lost to Deep Blue. But there may have been a rematch involved with Deep Blue, I can't remember.

 

[elbert]

Was this the first match where Kasparov won or the second match where Deep Blue won? lol

He won against Deep Thought and lost to Deep Blue. But there may have been a rematch involved with Deep Blue, I can't remember.
I think IBM offered a rematch but he turned them down. I think 3rd, 4th, and 5th match was a draw. Many who played Kasparov said after the first match he didnt play his usual swashbuckling attacking style. Sounds a little fishy with Kasparov taking home $400,000. I would have losted for $200,000 if IBM wanted to promote their technology.

 

[apache_lives]

i think this would be the best place to discuss this

in another thread the point was raised that the fastest CPU is the Human Brain not wanting to hijack a thread i thought i would post a new one

The Human Brain is the Fastest Cpu

now thats open to debate. seeing as a brain acts as both a hard drive and CPU also.

also what is 928346*98236?
im sure the computer can do that faster than the human brain hell try doing what super pi does in 30s in your brain.

i would suggest that a human brain is more like a 100 core processor with a lot of them dedicated to individual functions that wouldnt be much good at doing other things (cpu cant act as a Gpu)

what makes something the fastest CPU?

Itanium vs Core 2 Duo, vs that 80 core cpu Intel recently made - there all designed for specific tasks, eg any CPU would choke on human functions like movement, touch, sense etc - our brains are almost designed for the task, and face it, were not designed for math, were trained in some degree.

 

[SSS_DDK]

SSS do i have to clarify myself?

thanx for quoting me but its assumed with most ppl here that we compare an ADULT human to a cpu

Still a new born baby knows how to sneeze, knows how to look at its' mother, and knows to cry for whatever reason it has a need.

SSS, do u think the worlds fastest cpu can do any or one thing that a NEWBORN baby can do?

I hold a baby in my arms, it responds to me

I hold a CPU in my hand or arms, what does it do? Absolutely nothing
EVEN IF I HOLD 1000 CPu's in my hand, they are still not faster than a new born human baby.

there is no comparison

a cpu is is completely and utterly stupid. how many times do i have to say this?

Chill out man...It's not like i care whether you get angry or not. I already posted here and said that no, a cPU cannot be compared to the human brain... it's a neural network (not necessarily like the ones we're constructing) but it comes pre-wired for a baby, then it does some rewiring to leran new stuff... so my thought was that even if one day we get to make an "intelligent machine" it would still have to be taught....I thought i was clear enough the first time...

 

[Whizzard9992]

The reason the human brain is "slow" at math is because we apply logic to every action we make.

Your brain is primarily constructed to match patterns. For example, if you do 2+2 400 times a day, you don't have to do the math anymore. You recognize the sequence and can quickly identify the desired result by applying logic to the problem. This is something a computer cannot do. Each time you do the equation you both (1) store the pattern and (2) reference the pattern. When you do that it fires off thousans of neurons, searching for 'related' patterns. This is how we get 'ideas'.


It's tough to explain, but the point is that you can't compare the brain to a CPU because (1) a brain is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and (2) you can't measure he computational power of the brain.

How can you compare one thing to another if you can't measure one of the two things you're comparing :?: :!: :?:


*sigh*


If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, go right ahead, but there's no right answer here because you're asking a question that can't be answered.