Let me start by saying again how much I appreciate all the help. Let me try to answer all of these one by one.
It's very, very common. Pull some dental floss between the cpu and heatsink and it will come away.
BEFORE putting it back in look along each and every row of pins in each direction to look for any that are bent. A bent pin is easily staightened up with a .5mm pentel pencil with the lead removed...slip it over the pin to bend it.
It's very common, but it's also not something you want to do. To avoid this next time: heat up the system first, then shut down to remove it. Don't just tug straight up but loosen the screws then twist it side to side slightly before lifting it off.
Yes, I fell alseep watching youtube vids of people having this problem. It just really scared me, I've never worked with an A4 socket.
I will be changing all the things that helped yesterday. I'm expecting limited results (see further down).
I also saw a few videos of people having the same issue with the B450 Gaming Plus Max and the bracket that apparently IS NOT attached by the manufacturer and the same issue I had is common.
I was, as I was from the beginning, very careful with the CPU. I closely examined it with a strong magnifying glass. The pins looked great and the CPU dropped into the socket just as it should. I saw a few more posts/questions about my about my CPU and cooler install. I'll comment on this again:
I was pretty confident about my CPU and cooler install in the first place but, of course, it makes all the sense in the world to eliminate all possibilities. Now I am absolutely confident in that install. The paste isn't great, for the time being, but it should do fine until I get a better cooler and install that with some Arctic M-X or something. That same paste is holding my HP laptop at 30-35C while three weeks ago it shut down on me 3-4 a day from overheating. I may not know everything or even much but I know how to install a heatsink. I keep PCs forever because I can't afford new ones - I have to fix what I have. I've just never worked with these newer components and chipsets. The install is not the issue. I'd like to move on from that unless we are talking about damage that may have been incurred prior to my purchase or faulty components. I get it. You need to get the CPU/Cooler install right and many don't. I even saw a guy last night do what so many have asked about: He didn't remove the plastic from the heat sink. Guys, I was FAR more careful and observant of my work than that. LOL.
If you loaded the default settings, then you may need to go back to the BIOS and set all those options you posted earlier again. That should let you go back to the Max 80°C.
And again, as I worte already 80°C as Max temp should not be an issue for Ryzen 3rd gen.
Yes, that is first on my list today. Again, expecting limited results (see below)
It could be lousy paste.... how did you apply it? a pea-size dot in the middle is preferred, but if that stuff you used was really old it may be dried up and won't spread out evenly with cooler pressure. Older pastes also needed a bit of time at hot temperature to achieve full effectiveness.
But also seconding that after a CMOS reset you need to re-enable all the BIOS settings from before...AMD CoolnQuiet, Global C States, Processor CPPC and CPPC Preferred states all enabled. Don't leave in AUTOMATIC or DEFAULT as that seems to be same as DISABLED in many mobo BIOS's. Those settings are important to fully enable the processor's power saving features and keep it from running so hot even at idle and to prefer cooler running cores for lightly threaded tasks.
Also, check that Windows is running the Ryzen Balanced power plan. That ALSO let's the processor manage power to keep cooler; it does it much better than Windows can. DO NOT change minimum power state from 99%. You'll only have the Ryzen Balanced plan available if you've installed the AMD Chipset drivers.
The paste is good. Not top quality but it will suffice. It went on fine and there were no problems.
Again, I'm expecting results similar to yesterday from my tweaks - helpful but not enough. More on that in a minute.
I did see last night someone saying that Ryzen Balance was causing him heat issues with a Ryzen 3000. I have defaulted back to Windows Balanced. The creator of that video showed marked results from that so I don't know about this one. We'll have to look further into this one.
Don't forget to check, just in case, if you also need to turn PBO to Disable again.
If you happend to upgrade your cooler later on, you may wana test PBO Enable.
You got it! Will do.
This may seem like a bit of a dumb question but does your heat sync have a fan attached to it and if so is that fan working/plugged in?
Yup, absolutely. At this point there are no dumb questions. Thanks for helping.
In third column of his latest HWInfo report...CPU fan is screaming away at 2700RPM. I ASSUME that's the fan on the CPU cooler LOL
Yeah, as hot as its' running the fan is screaming. It is the CPU cooler, it is connected to the correct socket on the mobo. Let it scream. It will be in the trash in a few weeks. From what I understand AMD should have NEVER included that inadequate cooling system with this CPU. Shame.
The OP already wrote a lots of times, he just build this new PC and mounted the stock cooler that came in the sealed box, Why on earth will the OP remove the fan from the cooler and leave the heatsink alone?, Specially when having high temperature issues.
OP maybe new to AMD and Ryzen 3rd gen, but if you read all the posts, OP also already pointed out he changed a few laptops fans, so its not a complete newbie.
He/She is probably just afraid of breaking a new pc part that cost a lot of money, and that makes total sense to me.
Thanks RodroX. I'm not sure what all that was about but it looks like a few posts were deleted. This is stressful stuff.
I assure all of you that no one is more stressed than I. I am horribly disabled from a spina bifida related birth defect. I am dirt poor and I live my life mostly from a couch. My PC is my only lifeline and I've been using the same HP laptop for 13 years and it's been on it's last leg for years now. I was on a teleconference with my doctor three weeks ago and it overheated and SHUT DOWN THREE times during that appointment. I fixed that for now. But I've been pulling my hair out for a few years now trying to figure out what I would do when that HP finally died on me. I'm poor. Dirt poor. I live at 50% UNDER federal poverty guidelines.
And then $1200 hit my bank account - my one chance. There is a LOT I could do with that money. But a PC to hold me into the future, a PC that I greatly need to maintain my sanity and make a little extra money here and there, is absolutely my wisest investment. I'll likely never get another chance at this.
So DEEEEEEP Breaths.
One thing I'm finding is that these Ryzen 3000 series run HOT. Everyone's is. I'm finding video after video, thread after thread. AMD is silent.
I looked at a few vids last night of builds almost exactly like mine Ryzen 5 3600/ MSI B450 GPM/GeForce 1660 S and they run hot.
But they are all still running 10-15 degrees cooler than I am. 70s-80s is, at this point, considered satisfactory and safe from what I've read and watched. 90s? No, that's too hot and something very well could be going on with mine that isn't with theirs. I fear my situation is worse than theirs, I'm getting higher results than they.
But even with heavy coolers and a case like a wind tunnel I'm just not expecting to get much cooler with this processor until AMD addresses it. And it doesn't look like they will. It's a known issue that I wish I had known. I would have made different choices because I have been dealing with heat issues for years now. It was, hands down, the LAST thing I wanted to deal with on this build. Here we are. Life, huh?
All I want to do is get this under 90C while doing what it was designed to do. I'm about to sit down and redo all these tweaks that I don't understand, LOL.
Wish me luck. Thanks in advance because I'm not done with you! Will report back with updated results.
Yeah, thanks.
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