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Have you called Asus yet?

Your MB temps are about 9-10 degrees above mine. My board (same as yours) is posting 31-37 depending on the load. Averages 33 or so.

Asus has bench techs available via phone, but most are not up to speed Conroe wise yet, if my 3 calls were any indication.

After the bios update, both core and MB temps were down by more than 10 degrees each.

One other question, I am assuming you loaded all the drivers from the cd?
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I have not called any company yet, basically because my CPU temps are about 37-39 according to Core Temp, and that should be normal with the stock HSF.

But if anyone thinks any damage could have been done because of the previous readings, please tell me.
And yes, I installed all the driver from the CD.
 
Personally I wouldn't worry about it. The newer chips are designed to protect themselves from overheating, and shut down the system when they get to a thermal point.
 
Sorry for the mis-info on the temps. I read it here on another thread from someone that owns one. All I can say is its sounds like these other guys are pointing you in the right direction. And other than my point on water cooling I think they are better helping you. I had a thermal issuse on the D805 and its very critical that the HSF is properly mounted. The stock intel HSF has these cheap 4 plastic posts and an arrow that curves and points to the heatsink. This threw me off and I later realized that the arrow is to release the holdown, not lock it in. When properly installed the heatsink should be on very solid. I also removed the gray intel paste and used some of the good old artic silver 1 stlye compound that has 99% pure silver and isnt like this artic 5 pasty crap. It worked well for me.
Once again Im sorry for any mis-info. And if you can afford it, start looking at a water system. Theres some really neat stuff out there like on Danger Den. com and Thermaltake. I wish you luck on your system.
 
nvm

To answer all of your quetions, yes the CPU fan and case fans are spinning just fine, and I have the stock intel HSF. I used about a half of a grain of rice droplet for the AS.


Oh and just now, I turned on the PC and it started at 70c and now its working its way up to a steady 90c
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Sorry for the mis-info on the temps. I read it here on another thread from someone that owns one. All I can say is its sounds like these other guys are pointing you in the right direction. And other than my point on water cooling I think they are better helping you. I had a thermal issuse on the D805 and its very critical that the HSF is properly mounted. The stock intel HSF has these cheap 4 plastic posts and an arrow that curves and points to the heatsink. This threw me off and I later realized that the arrow is to release the holdown, not lock it in. When properly installed the heatsink should be on very solid. I also removed the gray intel paste and used some of the good old artic silver 1 stlye compound that has 99% pure silver and isnt like this artic 5 pasty crap. It worked well for me.
Once again Im sorry for any mis-info. And if you can afford it, start looking at a water system. Theres some really neat stuff out there like on Danger Den. com and Thermaltake. I wish you luck on your system.
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Thanks Hydro.
I will be keeping the CPU, as I really doubt any type of damage was done, basically because the temp readings were way off.
I will be recieving my Zalman tommorow, and it should be smooth sailing.

I thank all of you who helped me, and thanks to Tomshardware for such a great site :)
 
Have you called Asus yet?

Your MB temps are about 9-10 degrees above mine. My board (same as yours) is posting 31-37 depending on the load. Averages 33 or so.

Asus has bench techs available via phone, but most are not up to speed Conroe wise yet, if my 3 calls were any indication.

After the bios update, both core and MB temps were down by more than 10 degrees each.

One other question, I am assuming you loaded all the drivers from the cd?
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I have not called any company yet, basically because my CPU temps are about 37-39 according to Core Temp, and that should be normal with the stock HSF.

But if anyone thinks any damage could have been done because of the previous readings, please tell me.
And yes, I installed all the driver from the CD.


After reading what everyone else has said, my next question would be what other progs are you running. PC probe is kind of junky, but its core temp readings have matched what my BIOS has said.
E6600 on P5wDH
Idle
23.5'C in open air
26'C open case
28'C closed case

medium Load
----open air
29'C open case
31'C closed case

I havent loaded it heavily, but based on what Ive seen so far, I dont expect the CPU temps to exceed 40'c in a closed case

Mobo temps running between 41'C -50'C

Note: when running CPUID, Ive had PC Probe report (falsly) core temps up to 238'C, so it makes me wonder if you have some other monitering programs running that may be interfering with PCProbe
 
Well all I can say at this point is that we are the lucky ones who get to witness with absolut amazment just how fast CPU capabilities are growing! Intel is smoking AMD like I used to smoke pot in high school! Take this article for example http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/10/four_cores_on_the_rampage/page5.html DUDE LOOK AT THE CPU BENCH RESULTS! 300,000it's !!!!!!!
This is just the beginning of a new horizon in computing that will leave all our old systems (last years) in the dust. But really how fast do we need to go? Faster is always better! PCs , cars, bikes, boats , etc. All with the exception of sex. Somethings are better enjoyed nice and slowly! haha
Man! A Quad core blowing the doors off everything we've ever seen! And that is why my next mobo purchase will be high quality and quad core ready! My sights are on the new Abit AW9D-MAX. Like I said before Ill push the crap out that little D805 to see just how far you can go. Then later Ill move to a quad core and do the same to it. Ive watched the evolution of PCs since the old 486 to present. Im a big believer in water cooling and even refrigerating the water as I did 2 years ago. At that time I got my 3.2 northwood to 3.87 stable and peaked at 3.92. But with these new cores Im wondering how far past 4 gig I can go and if I can pull a magical 5gig without all out phase change refridgeration. Common folks this is something thats gonna be used everyday and sit in my bedroom, not on a bench in the garage for a 5 minute benchmark. :roll: Im working on a car deal that will net me the cash that will allow me to play this out. Oh no I feel that Mad Scientist Frenzy feeling comming on again. Where's my pills and a beer to calm me down until I get that cash ?aaaaaahhhhh 😀
 
@turpit:
There is no way you have 23.5°C in open air while mainboard is between 41-50°C. Readings are wrong. Use Core Temp or latest Everest because they read temperature directly from the core digital thermometer, and not from some crappy sensor chip.

This threw me off and I later realized that the arrow is to release the holdown, not lock it in.
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Quoted for truth and for octop8 to read until it sinks in.

I also removed the gray intel paste
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That is what I advise people not to do if they use stock HSF:
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=1253294#1253294
 
Hey guys,

Googled this thread today and have just read the 5 pages over, and wanted to toss my 2 cents out.

I was having the exact same problem as Krono, that is, my E6600 was idling at high temps. Asus Probe and my mobo's (Asus P5W-DH) BIOS showed temps of about 50 C at idle, jumping up to as much as 60 C when running Prime95. CoreTemp showed temps of around 70 at idle and 80 when running Prime95.

I had reinstalled the stock HSF twice with minimal success and decided to try it one last time. This time, however, I took out the HSF and examined how the latch mechanism worked. To verify what some others said, you simply turn the locks CW all the way to reset them. Pushing them straight down then causes them to lock themselves. I verified this easily by locking one of them manually outside of the case.

After the third and successful HSF installation attempt, my reported temps dropped drastically. Asus Probe and my BIOS now reports 30 C - 31 C at idle and 37 C to 38 C when running Prime95 and Core Temp reports 44 C idle / 50 C for Prime 95.

Oops... I forgot to include that Everest reported the same temps as Asus Probe for everything above. I want to think that the Bios, Asus Probe and Everest are closer to the true values (although Core Temp is supposedly very accurate).

This goes to show that HSF installation has a <b> drastic </b> influence on the CPU temp.

Thanks for the help everyone! :)
 
Man, you got your stock Intel krappy cooler INSTALLED WRONG!!

I have done it before with those garbage heatsinks. Go back and make sure the heatrsink and fan are very snug and locked in full. I mean the white clamps needs to be pushed very hard and snug into the motherboard.

Your chip is not running at 80c or it wold of auto shut down. And to the morons who say conroe runs hot >> LOL!!

Ya my 6700 QPGA ES/QS running over 3600 on the stock piece of krap intel stock cooler from a 840ee package is about 52 idle, and 60 load, and that is just to test. with the TT Big Typoon it is 35 idle and 52 load.

I have had it over 4000 before, but 3.8 solid on air. Clocks better than the B2 steppings by far. I have seen people on phase change bring this one up around 5000, but only the B1 QPGA ES/QS..
 
This may be a problem with the LGA 775 socket.

Make sure that the Cooler is fixed totaly on the CPU HSF, and doesn't touch the metal clamps of the socket retaining mechanism.

As was mentioned before, make sure to clean the CPU and the Cooler very well before aplying a drop of AS5. Spread the AS5 evenly in a very thin layer.

Make sure the CPU cooler fan is spinning at correct speed.

Hope you figgure this out.
 
With the large surface area I could see how a air pocket could develop when installing a heatsink. I use a whole rice grain size (not a half!) of heatsink compound and when I remove the heatsink after some use I get a satisfactory nice round coverage between my HSF and CPU. Its surprising how much comound is actually required to fill the gap as I assume any excess will squeeze its way out. It just goes to show that the 2 mating surfaces are not perfectly flat. I dont see this as too big of a problem after all you are not actually mating with the true CPU surface there is a cover over the CPU's. If you want to REALLY cool these directly you would have to dremel that off. Not sure anyone has tried that with Conroe yet...
 
What the hell are you talking about you assmonkey,

"he new Conroe chips do run hot. They should be running 50-60C idle and up to 80C Load. Stop pussy footing around and buy a Thermaltake Big Water System they sell for $159 at Fry's. And fit every socket CPU out there. Water is the way, especially if your into overclocking. Temps rise slow and drop fast. Beats rise fast and drop slow! You can also check your bios settings for your fan. Disable the automatic cpu fan speed control and the HSF will run at max speed all the time. Good luck. Wink"

80 c load, wtf, even on stock it won't go past 60 if everything is done right. Mine Idles at 28c for god's sake, @ 3.2 GHZ for ON AIR. You don't need to spend 160 bucks on a water cooling system for a C2d at all. They use less power and MAKE LESS HEAT, than the p4 or especially the pentium d ever did. Even overclocking them you usually hit the fsb mobo limit before any heat limitation on an air cooled system.

If you don't know what the hell you are talking about at all, you should't go tell people to piss their money out the window. I bet his stock hsf is just not on right. They click down once, and then again but you have to push way harder than feels safe to get the second click. About 50 percent of the ones I've inspected were not clipped down all the way, or otherwise improperly installed.

NOTE: I just read Hydro's apology and I am no longer yelling at him or in anyway harboring ill feelings, it takes a strong guy to apologize right away when misinformed. Props. I'm gonna leave the post anyway for reference though.
 
I was getting really hight temp readings. The bios read 62C at idle. Speedfan and Everest sometimes read the same 19C or 52C at idle for no particular reason. The first time I used CoreTemp, it said: 85C! Shutdown computer immediately!! I put these down to a faulty sensor, ect, as the reading were all over the map.

But I thought I would check the heatsink one last time and loosened and tightened each peg, finally I was sure that all the pegs were clicked in...And what do you know? My temp readings are now completely normal! CoreTemp, Bios and Speedfan all read 38C at idle and about 41C at heavy load. Dummy me, the heatsink was loose all this time! I had been running my E6300 with no heatsink for the past 3 weeks, with insanely high temps...(anybuddy want to buy a slightly used E6300, never overclocked, promise! :wink:)

I am using the stock thermal strips on the stock fan and now all is well. So much for the faulty sensor theory! My advise to those with crazy high temps to check your heatsink, again! Sometimes when I was pushing one peg in, the opposite one would pop out.
 
Invader said:
I was getting really hight temp readings. The bios read 62C at idle. Speedfan and Everest sometimes read the same 19C or 52C at idle for no particular reason. The first time I used CoreTemp, it said: 85C! Shutdown computer immediately!! I put these down to a faulty sensor, ect, as the reading were all over the map.

But I thought I would check the heatsink one last time and loosened and tightened each peg, finally I was sure that all the pegs were clicked in...And what do you know? My temp readings are now completely normal! CoreTemp, Bios and Speedfan all read 38C at idle and about 41C at heavy load. Dummy me, the heatsink was loose all this time! I had been running my E6300 with no heatsink for the past 3 weeks, with insanely high temps...(anybuddy want to buy a slightly used E6300, never overclocked, promise! :wink:)

See, we told you bro :)

I have done this many times before, usaully when I first get a new cpu, I get over excited to get it up and running, so in the past, I forget to clamp down the cooler firmly.

I doubt you damaged your chip, however if your chip was really running as hot as it actaully said, you might of taken away from the chips life span.

Also, you may of never been running that hot as it said, and could of been saying your were because the HSF was not locked in, and sensors were mis calibrated.

Your chip should of shut down at those temps, which leads me, and others here to beleive that you were never really running that hot to begin with.

My core 2 6700 shut down when I did the same thing you did. Heh, I sold that one on Ebay, got an extreme week 26 chip B2 on the way :)
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This may be a problem with the LGA 775 socket.

Make sure that the Cooler is fixed totaly on the CPU HSF, and doesn't touch the metal clamps of the socket retaining mechanism.

As was mentioned before, make sure to clean the CPU and the Cooler very well before aplying a drop of AS5. Spread the AS5 evenly in a very thin layer.
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I think people do not realize something about applying a thin layer of AS5;

Sure, when you have a totally and perfectly flat HSF copper base, a thin layer is what you want.

However, Take The Zalman AND TT Big Typhoon as 2 examples;

Both these copper bases are not perfectly flat and smooth. The results I have had show applying a thicker layer of AS5 will in fact lower temps 5 or more C!!

The reason being is that the goopy thicker layer will fill in and compensate for the unflat and unsmooth cooper bases of these 2 HSF's.

The point here is that only when you are certain you have a perfectly flat and even copper base is when you want to apply a thin layer. Applying a thin layer when the copper bases are machined cut uneven, will in fact result in higher temps, because there is not a sealed conductive connection between CPU Face plate and Copper base cooler :) You get pockets where the face plate and copper base have air pockets = MORE HEAT.

I wanted to add this in to show it is not always a rule to "apply a thin layer" It depends on your HSF, if it is totally even and flat, OR NOT!!

Peace!!
 
In reply to Addictiveherring's post thanks for the appology at the bottom. We all make mistakes. And Im cool with it.
Even though the Core2 is a cooler running chip my prodject is to take the D805 to its limit with a Abit AW9D-max mobo and it does require water cooling to get it where I want it to go. This will buy me time to wait for the Quad cores to come out and who knows I may be really happy with the mighty D805 overclocker. @ 3.4 it loaded Win XP pro in 7 mins and I was impressed. And that was with a cheap ECS mobo. The Abit board I feel is a better candidate for Extreem Overclocking instead of the Asus options.
I was a big DFI LanParty fan and they kinda ran into some overheating and regulator probs when they started putting out the LGA775 mobos. Id like to see them back in the game again! Well what have we learned from this thread? Mainly Intels stock HSF is a tricky biaach to install properly. 2 leave the stock intel paste on it because its been provern to work better than AS5. 3 we all make simple mistakes in a rush to get our new hardware up and running. 4 water cooling isnt always neccessary with the conroe but hell Im a firm believer in it. 5 There are updates to fix probs with Asus boards. 6 when installinging the stock intel HSF Do Not Turn the posts counterclockwise as this is to release it not lock it in! 6 AS5 quantity needed can vary depending on the surface grit of your aftermarket HSF. 7 Doing a little polishing couldnt hurt either and 8 we all can learn and get along here which is great because we can set aside our Pride. And thats what a forum community is all about! Exchange of thoughts and ideas and learning in the process. Now if I could just get some better memory for my brain that would make me happier! Peace and happy overclocking to all! :lol:
 
The new Conroe chips do run hot. They should be running 50-60C idle and up to 80C Load.
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They most definitely do not, in most cases if your HSF is placed correctly and you still have somewhat high temps then it will be the airflow in your PC Case, I was getting values of 45/45 degrees idle, using Core Temp and TAT, after doing an airflow test by opening the sides of my pc and having a fan blow air thru the system so it would go thru from one side to the next i obtained the following values, for idle values:



the difference in the airflow test was about -10 degrees from the normal values with the case all closed up.

oh and i am not a Fanboy, just bought an E6600 to replace my AMD 3000+ @ 2.6ghz that i used to love but unfortunately its performance just does not compete with Core 2 Duo at the moment.
 
Goddamn it, does noboady know how to properly apply thermal paste!!!!??!?!!?


Step 1 clean all surfaces with isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol)

Step 2 aplly a layer of paste to the Heat Sink base, and then WIPE IT OFF, this fills in small/large/microscopic grooves in the copper.

Step 3 Aplly a grain of rice sized amount to the cpu, and spread it with a razor blade, AS THIN AS YOU CAN while still visibly covering all the surface.

note: you will need to wait for a few days/weeks depending on heat/use to for the temp to settle at it's new alltime low if you have not been using this method.

Note 2, this is the only correct method.
 
Goddamn it, does noboady know how to properly apply thermal paste!!!!??!?!!?


Step 1 clean all surfaces with isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol)

Step 2 aplly a layer of paste to the Heat Sink base, and then WIPE IT OFF, this fills in small/large/microscopic grooves in the copper.

Step 3 Aplly a grain of rice sized amount to the cpu, and spread it with a razor blade, AS THIN AS YOU CAN while still visibly covering all the surface.

note: you will need to wait for a few days/weeks depending on heat/use to for the temp to settle at it's new alltime low if you have not been using this method.

Note 2, this is the only correct method.
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Horsepucky;
there is not ONLY one "correct method." I have been building systems for years. If you get an uneven machine cut copper base, the method changes, and I have had a few badly machined copper bases, like My Zalman 9500 and TT Big Typhoon.

However the above you list is basically the method I use most of the time.

Basically, it depends on the situation.

I do not always take a piss using both hands :)
 
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