Just Buy It: Why Nvidia RTX GPUs Are Worth the Money

[thefinder808]

Uh, 'scuse me?

 

[uglyduckling81]

@zachbacher seems about right. Pretty much why I only watch gamers nexus and lvl 1 tech for technical reviews now.

 

[Gastec]

Basically life is short and then you die. So you should just blow out your savings on a $1200 video card because you can't miss on the "experiences" it will bring you. Like he would be talking about drugs, you know...sniff now, think later.

 

[langeston7]

Huh. So who is the mod running around deleting all the legitimate posts? I just noticed that my original comment is now deleted.

I was EXTREMELY careful not to use any inflammatory language, and I did a very good job. I know for a fact that Rogue Leader had no problem with the post as not only did he not delete it, but he responded to it and you can still see part of it quoted in one of his posts on this very page.

Whoever keeps doing this is causing more harm than good, I hope you guys realize that. This whole situation is spinning out of control, and trying to silence everyone is just adding gasoline to the fire. Have you guys seriously never heard of the Streisand Effect???

Now even Thomas Pabst (yes, the same Thomas Pabst that founded this site) has weighed in. He had this to say on Facebook: (Link)

Thomas Pabst You asked ‘What happened, Tom? What has become of you?’ Well, there’s only one person who can answer that!

 

[shmoochie]

My post was also deleted, and I made sure not to use any insults or inflammatory language. Why would you silence contributing members? Pretty much any comments after uglyduckling81's have been deleted. It is to the point where you have deleted like 5 pages of comments that disagree with the article.

 

[Reynod]

My post was also deleted, and I made sure not to use any insults or inflammatory language. Why would you silence contributing members? Pretty much any comments after uglyduckling81's have been deleted. It is to the point where you have deleted like 5 pages of comments that disagree with the article.

You left a post with a full stop only ... what was I supposed to do with that?

That full stop said so much ... I put it out of its mercy.

 

[shmoochie]

My post was also deleted, and I made sure not to use any insults or inflammatory language. Why would you silence contributing members? Pretty much any comments after uglyduckling81's have been deleted. It is to the point where you have deleted like 5 pages of comments that disagree with the article.

You left a post with a full stop only ... what was I supposed to do with that?

That full stop said so much ... I put it out of its mercy.

Are you serious? I deleted my own post that was inflammatory because I realized how angry I was. Are you going to compare that to mass deleting other people's posts? My other level headed response was also deleted along with many, many others. I saw a LOT of the posts that were deleted, and it is extremely disingenuous to suggest that they all broke a rule. Many of them were reasonable.

 

[Reynod]

My post was also deleted, and I made sure not to use any insults or inflammatory language. Why would you silence contributing members? Pretty much any comments after uglyduckling81's have been deleted. It is to the point where you have deleted like 5 pages of comments that disagree with the article.

You left a post with a full stop only ... what was I supposed to do with that?

That full stop said so much ... I put it out of its mercy.

Are you serious? I deleted my own post that was inflammatory because I realized how angry I was. Are you going to compare that to mass deleting other people's posts? My other level headed response was also deleted along with many, many others. I saw a LOT of the posts that were deleted, and it is extremely disingenuous to suggest that they all broke a rule. Many of them were reasonable.

I just deleted that one ... you know ... the one with the full-stop. I was only therefore slightly disingenuous ... I can't take full credit. I am but a small cog in the wheel of a great machine ... a machine that sometimes goes awry.

 

[shmoochie]

My post was also deleted, and I made sure not to use any insults or inflammatory language. Why would you silence contributing members? Pretty much any comments after uglyduckling81's have been deleted. It is to the point where you have deleted like 5 pages of comments that disagree with the article.

You left a post with a full stop only ... what was I supposed to do with that?

That full stop said so much ... I put it out of its mercy.

Are you serious? I deleted my own post that was inflammatory because I realized how angry I was. Are you going to compare that to mass deleting other people's posts? My other level headed response was also deleted along with many, many others. I saw a LOT of the posts that were deleted, and it is extremely disingenuous to suggest that they all broke a rule. Many of them were reasonable.

I just deleted that one ... you know ... the one with the full-stop. I was only therefore slightly disingenuous ... I can't take full credit. I am but a small cog in the wheel of a great machine ... a machine that sometimes goes awry.

Ah, well thank you for removing the full stop, and thank you for responding. You are not one of the mods that made the claim that only inflammatory posts were being removed, so I am sorry for calling you disingenuous.

 

[steve15180]

Every since I posted the idea that if the article got such universal condemnation, and the tremendous response against it such that so many posts were deleted and the article edited without mention of the edits, I've been wondering why such a "counterpoint" article was really SO necessary.
This is probably going to get deleted as well, but it is a POSSIBLE theory that does not involve graft or other such things. All in all, just as
problematic though.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/

I found this quite interesting and may explain quite a few things, not just here, but elsewhere regarding massively glowing coverage without
any hard info.

Make of it what you will.

 

[jankerson]

Every since I posted the idea that if the article got such universal condemnation, and the tremendous response against it such that so many posts were deleted and the article edited without mention of the edits, I've been wondering why such a "counterpoint" article was really SO necessary.
This is probably going to get deleted as well, but it is a POSSIBLE theory that does not involve graft or other such things. All in all, just as
problematic though.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/

I found this quite interesting and may explain quite a few things, not just here, but elsewhere regarding massively glowing coverage without
any hard info.

Make of it what you will.

Something defiantly sounds fishy about all that, makes me question the reviews that will be posted, more than likely they will be cooked results. That possibility is extremely high from what I read if that's what NVIDIA is doing.


Makes me think the RTX's aren't as good as NVIDIA says they are over the 10XX cards.

 

[king3pj]

I think this new GPU pricing will make users decide that the rest of the system needs an upgrade first. As a result Ray Tracing is not going to get the consumer demand NVidia want. Yes it may be great, wonderful and the future but its going to be a slow take up so no need to rush is there?

How many here since siggraph have decided to upgrade everything but the GPU instead?

As for CPU's, AMD are forcing Intel to drop prices, the graphs that show this are great for consumers, all due to competition. NVidia has no competition yet so charge what they want for a new technology we didn't know we wanted until a few weeks back. A solution to a problem we don't really care about...yet.

I did exactly this. I bought a 1070 back in summer 2016 for gaming on a 1440p 144Hz Gsync monitor. That was a GPU upgrade on a system that already had an i5 4690k and 16GB of RAM.

I was always taking a wait and see approach with the 2000 series GPUs since I like to make my hardware last more than one generation but I would have considered a 2070 if it had as big of a jump as the 1070 did over the 970 in somewhere around the same $430 ballpark I paid for my 1070. Once I saw the $600 price point it was out of the question though.

Instead I went out and bought an i5 8600k, new motherboard, and 16GB of 3000MHz DDR4 RAM. I'll take a look at GPUs again when the 3000 series hits or AMD puts out some competition to force Nvidia to lower their price. Unfortunately AMD's next cards won't be an option for me because I already invested in Gsync and I'm not giving up my adaptive sync or buying a new Freesync monitor.

I figured it was a good time to upgrade the base of my system even if the i5 4690k was still doing okay. I would have definitely wanted a new CPU by the time Nvidia's 3000 series hit and this keeps me from having to lay out $1000+ to upgrade the entire PC at once. Besides, it sounds like the i5 9600k is the same chip as my 8600k with a slightly higher clock speed so I won't lose out on much by not waiting.

 

[machallboyd]

"When your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?"

None of my deathbed memories should involve ray-tracing. Jesus man, I just wanted a hardware review, not an existential crisis about what I'm doing with my life.

 

[michealespinola]

How is this a proper "editor-in-chief" quality article of a tech website? What has become of Tom's Hardware??

 

[lp231]

Thanks for the leavle headed respons JP. Always the best.

While I don't disagree witht he opinion of the author nor do I think he is a paid "shill" (I have been accused of that many a times and am still waiting for my check) I do not agree with either article in and of themselves.

I just don't think Toms hardware should ever do articles like this. They have no place in a site designed for and supported by enthusiasts. We are not some mainstream media conglomerate who needs click bait. We are one of the largest tech sites on the web and have been around for over 20 years now. Whe have seen the rise and fall of many companies and we knew about things most normal people didn't, like Creative Labs having a superior MP3 player to the first iPod.

My opinion is that we should avoid any articles like this and stick to what enthusiasts want, cold hard facts. Thats what we have always done and should continue to do.

All this article does is tarnishes our reputation in the community and abroad and creates the view that we are paid for by either side. It is one thing to be called sponsored when we use facts by the hardcore fanboys. Its another when the article makes normal level headed users feel we are.

And this is coming from a lowly unpaid moderator who has followed TH for a very long time. I honestly miss the articles that were so random but were about hardware like the good ol mineral oil cooled PC.

Someone has uploaded that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4UumU6ee0

Another awesome video from them, back in the old days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFNUhE5FSs4

 

[Matthew Renna]

Yeah, sure. Let's spend all of our hard earned money on junk we don't need and fill novideo's pockets even more.

 

[zackbacher]

"I am but a small cog in the wheel of a great machine ... a machine that sometimes goes awry."

This machine is going very awry... good luck in the future, I hope things get better here on this site, back to the way they used to be.

 

[Reynod]

My post was also deleted, and I made sure not to use any insults or inflammatory language. Why would you silence contributing members? Pretty much any comments after uglyduckling81's have been deleted. It is to the point where you have deleted like 5 pages of comments that disagree with the article.

You left a post with a full stop only ... what was I supposed to do with that?

That full stop said so much ... I put it out of its mercy.

Are you serious? I deleted my own post that was inflammatory because I realized how angry I was. Are you going to compare that to mass deleting other people's posts? My other level headed response was also deleted along with many, many others. I saw a LOT of the posts that were deleted, and it is extremely disingenuous to suggest that they all broke a rule. Many of them were reasonable.

I just deleted that one ... you know ... the one with the full-stop. I was only therefore slightly disingenuous ... I can't take full credit. I am but a small cog in the wheel of a great machine ... a machine that sometimes goes awry.

Ah, well thank you for removing the full stop, and thank you for responding. You are not one of the mods that made the claim that only inflammatory posts were being removed, so I am sorry for calling you disingenuous.

No problem ... it pays to have a good sense of humour.

 

[Reynod]

"I am but a small cog in the wheel of a great machine ... a machine that sometimes goes awry."

This machine is going very awry... good luck in the future, I hope things get better here on this site, back to the way they used to be.

It will all be fine ... we are removing the bent fuel rods and will bring the reactor back to criticality by removing the control rods slowly ... I anticipate full power in the next few hours. In the meantime if you would use the toaster sparingly?

 

[Reynod]

Thanks for the leavle headed respons JP. Always the best.

While I don't disagree witht he opinion of the author nor do I think he is a paid "shill" (I have been accused of that many a times and am still waiting for my check) I do not agree with either article in and of themselves.

I just don't think Toms hardware should ever do articles like this. They have no place in a site designed for and supported by enthusiasts. We are not some mainstream media conglomerate who needs click bait. We are one of the largest tech sites on the web and have been around for over 20 years now. Whe have seen the rise and fall of many companies and we knew about things most normal people didn't, like Creative Labs having a superior MP3 player to the first iPod.

My opinion is that we should avoid any articles like this and stick to what enthusiasts want, cold hard facts. Thats what we have always done and should continue to do.

All this article does is tarnishes our reputation in the community and abroad and creates the view that we are paid for by either side. It is one thing to be called sponsored when we use facts by the hardcore fanboys. Its another when the article makes normal level headed users feel we are.

And this is coming from a lowly unpaid moderator who has followed TH for a very long time. I honestly miss the articles that were so random but were about hardware like the good ol mineral oil cooled PC.

Someone has uploaded that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4UumU6ee0

Another awesome video from them, back in the old days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFNUhE5FSs4

Awesome. I will ask Crashman if he has the one of the Duron he blew up.

 

[Scott_123]

All of my posts were deleted and they were harsh but fair criticism of this article and the site. I have been a reader since 1996 and can clearly see the course and trajectory of this site over the years, of which this article is a perfect example, and tried to articulate this in my posts and they were promptly deleted.

 

[Reynod]

Every since I posted the idea that if the article got such universal condemnation, and the tremendous response against it such that so many posts were deleted and the article edited without mention of the edits, I've been wondering why such a "counterpoint" article was really SO necessary.
This is probably going to get deleted as well, but it is a POSSIBLE theory that does not involve graft or other such things. All in all, just as
problematic though.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/

I found this quite interesting and may explain quite a few things, not just here, but elsewhere regarding massively glowing coverage without
any hard info.

Make of it what you will.

Er no ... those guys who have the cards keep stuff pretty well secret because they do not want to upset the big three ... even I do not have any hard information yet ... and I hate that. I know who those reviewers are ... and they are locked away in the basement ... mumbling incantations over their test benches.

 

[Reynod]

Every since I posted the idea that if the article got such universal condemnation, and the tremendous response against it such that so many posts were deleted and the article edited without mention of the edits, I've been wondering why such a "counterpoint" article was really SO necessary.
This is probably going to get deleted as well, but it is a POSSIBLE theory that does not involve graft or other such things. All in all, just as
problematic though.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/

I found this quite interesting and may explain quite a few things, not just here, but elsewhere regarding massively glowing coverage without
any hard info.

Make of it what you will.

Something defiantly sounds fishy about all that, makes me question the reviews that will be posted, more than likely they will be cooked results. That possibility is extremely high from what I read if that's what NVIDIA is doing.


Makes me think the RTX's aren't as good as NVIDIA says they are over the 10XX cards.

RTX reminds me of XTX ... and that went horribly wrong with the HD 2900 XTX.

 

[TMTOWTSAC]

Ok, first let me preface this by saying that Ray Tracing itself is a relatively mature technology with a wide adoption rate, at least in the commercial space. Animation of course, both for entertainment as well as 3D modeling. Also simulations, product demonstrations, promotional materials, etc. It won't be disappearing anytime soon. But one part of this article keeps going through my head, and since it simply cannot be quoted enough:

However, what these price-panicked pundits don't understand is that there's value in being an early adopter. And there's a cost to either delaying your purchase or getting an older-generation product so you can save money. Unless and until final benchmark results show otherwise, the new features of the Turing cards make them worth buying, even at their current, sky-high prices.

In particular, the assumption that everyone will either be an early adopter and ecstatic about it, delay their purchase and ultimately wind up getting it anyway, or get an older generation product and miss out on the Next Big Thing. There have been a lot of Next Big Things over the years, and most of them are no longer with us. So without further ado, a few selections of past Next Big Things from the Graveyard of Tech, as well as a few that did take off but punished early adopters.

3D TV's.
Looks like nobody even makes them anymore. Anyone got one of these lying around? Not to mention the various (incompatible) glasses that go with them, or the 3D Blu-Ray player it required? Speaking of...


HD DVD.
21st century Betamax, only this one didn't even manage to last 2 years. And technically, Betamax or versions of it were still being sold long after HD DVD was canned. Some honorable mentions here, Laserdisc, and even the first generation of DVD players that couldn't play hybrid discs.

https://www.wired.com/1999/09/cutting-through-the-dvd-matrix/


1st Gen Microsoft Surface.
Not passing judgement on the model itself, just noting the significant early adopter tax. From Wikipedia:

In July 2013, Steve Ballmer revealed that the Surface hasn't sold as well as he hoped. He reported that Microsoft had made a loss of US$900,000,000 due to the lackluster Surface sales. Concurrently, Microsoft cut the price of first-gen Surface worldwide by 30%, with its U.S. price falling to US$350.

Google Glass.
Technically, it lives on, in the form of Google Glass Enterprise Edition. That probably isn't much consolation to any consumers who shelled out $1500 to get theirs first.



First version of pretty much any OS, ever.
In the same vein, people who stood in line for hours so they could be the first to buy a game at midnight, only to get home and find out they still have to sit through a 50 GB day 1 patch.


And finally, 7nm from GloFo.
Not saying that 7nm itself is dead course, but even GloFo has admitted the pursuit of 7nm was simply too costly. They've already spent billions on developing it and it would take billions more to begin mass production. For that matter, they also abandoned their own 14nm process and opted instead to license Samsung's.

It's almost as if the brand new tech was too much of a risk for them. The performance numbers weren't there. It cost too much. They didn't know if adoption rates would be high enough to justify the investment. So it seemed better to go with a more established tech that had already proven itself...


Anyone else have any favorite tech busts, or early adopter regrets to share?

 

[Reynod]

3D Glasses with my early TNT NVidia Card and the free dinosaur game ... glasses gave me migraines.

Remember we all had to buy 120Hz monitors ... Viewsonic made a killing !!

We all got headaches ... and PTSD from 3D dinosaurs.

Just thinking about them Raptors is giving me a little anxiety attack ... lol.