Question Laptop overheating and freezing ?

[itzahmedok]

So i have a Dell Latitude E6410 with an i5-450M CPU & Intel HD graphics,

I use ThrottleStop to unlock my cores because if I don't, my laptop goes really laggy like after 10 mins of powering on. So the problem is that like when i close ThrottleStop, for the time being my laptop works without like slowing down, at that time it runs super fast but the temperature gets too high.

Can anyone help me like undervolt or maybe use throttlestop in a way which will give me more performance for my laptop and less temperature. And i dont have the FIVR option in ThrottleStop.

 

[Ralston18]

My thought is that ThrottleStop simply masked the problem which, in the meantime is getting worse.

The objective is to discover the root cause for the laptop's initial lagging and other behavior.

Start by disabling Throttlestop and all other undervolting etc..

Then use Task Manager, Resource Monitor, and Process Explorer (Microsoft, free) to observe laptop performance.

Use all three tools but only one tool at a time.

The power on the laptop and work as normal. Look for what changes as you work and pay close attention to what happens or stops happening around the 10 minute mark.

It will take some time and effort to get the observation process to smooth out for you. You do need to keep the tool window open to watch.

If the lagging is consistently at 10 minutes then the cause may be some background app or utility that launches to update, backup, or simply "phone home".

Look in Task Scheduler as well.

 

[uWebb429]

the temperature gets too high.

What is your definition of too high?

Intel set the Core i5-450M thermal throttling temperature to 105°C.
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...core-i5-450m-processor-3m-cache-2-40-ghz.html

The thermal throttling temperature is the "maximum safe operating temperature". Trust Intel. They know what their CPUs are capable of.

If your CPU is not exceeding 105°C then it is not running too hot. If either core reaches a temperature of 105°C, it will start to thermal throttle. This automatically slows the CPU down to protect against any damage. There is no need to worry about the temperature of your CPU. It is well designed by Intel to take care of itself.

Dell Latitude E6410

Many Dell laptops from this era have some horrible throttling schemes that can reduce performance to less than 10% of the rated performance. It makes these laptops unusable. You can use ThrottleStop to run your CPU at the speed and temperature that Intel intended or you can toss your laptop in the trash because of how badly it lags when not using ThrottleStop. There was no legitimate reason for Dell to be using severe clock modulation or chipset clock modulation throttling. Other manufacturers were not doing this. Only Dell.

I don't have the FIVR option in ThrottleStop

The 4th Gen mobile CPUs were the first ones with an integrated voltage regulator (FIVR). Your CPU was released three years before the FIVR existed. There is no way to undervolt the early mobile CPUs.

The Core i5-450M just celebrated its 14th birthday. These are rugged CPUs that were designed to run reliably at high temperatures. If your CPU ever goes ka-boom, let me know and I will buy you a new one. They are only $8 bucks or less on eBay.

 

[CelicaGT]

When is the last time you cleaned the heatsink and fans on this unit? This is the likely culprit, and it's stupid easy to do on these badboys.

A teardown guide, should take you about 20 minutes with a can duster (Hold the fan still with a something so as not to damage anything)

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dell+Latitude+E6410+Cooling+Fan+Replacement/100855

 

[itzahmedok]

What is your definition of too high?

Intel set the Core i5-450M thermal throttling temperature to 105°C.
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...core-i5-450m-processor-3m-cache-2-40-ghz.html

The thermal throttling temperature is the "maximum safe operating temperature". Trust Intel. They know what their CPUs are capable of.

If your CPU is not exceeding 105°C then it is not running too hot. If either core reaches a temperature of 105°C, it will start to thermal throttle. This automatically slows the CPU down to protect against any damage. There is no need to worry about the temperature of your CPU. It is well designed by Intel to take care of itself.


Many Dell laptops from this era have some horrible throttling schemes that can reduce performance to less than 10% of the rated performance. It makes these laptops unusable. You can use ThrottleStop to run your CPU at the speed and temperature that Intel intended or you can toss your laptop in the trash because of how badly it lags when not using ThrottleStop. There was no legitimate reason for Dell to be using severe clock modulation or chipset clock modulation throttling. Other manufacturers were not doing this. Only Dell.


The 4th Gen mobile CPUs were the first ones with an integrated voltage regulator (FIVR). Your CPU was released three years before the FIVR existed. There is no way to undervolt the early mobile CPUs.

The Core i5-450M just celebrated its 14th birthday. These are rugged CPUs that were designed to run reliably at high temperatures. If your CPU ever goes ka-boom, let me know and I will buy you a new one. They are only $8 bucks or less on eBay.

i put the set multiplier on throttle to 15 and 16 so it doesnt go that high, but my whole laptop literally just goes to 1fps, at around 90-91 C, it runs for a while and then boom at 90-92C, everything literally freezes and slows down, so bad. And nothing opens, i managed to like open task manager in literally 5 mins... cause it was too laggy but surprisingly it was 2.38Ghz meaning no underthrottling??? then why was it lagging.. im so confused

 

[itzahmedok]

When is the last time you cleaned the heatsink and fans on this unit? This is the likely culprit, and it's stupid easy to do on these badboys.

A teardown guide, should take you about 20 minutes with a can duster (Hold the fan still with a something so as not to damage anything)

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dell+Latitude+E6410+Cooling+Fan+Replacement/100855

it was very dusty, i did it yesterday but no effect

 

[CelicaGT]

it was very dusty, i did it yesterday but no effect

Consider a repaste then, this is an ooooold unit. We still have about 30 of these kicking around the office in various states of use. They are quite robust but nothing is maintenance free. Also ensure the fan is spinning, and I believe there -may- be some stuff in the BIOS for fan profiles but that little fella may be a bit old for that. I know that later Latitudes have it.

 

[itzahmedok]

Consider a repaste then, this is an ooooold unit. We still have about 30 of these kicking around the office in various states of use. They are quite robust but nothing is maintenance free. Also ensure the fan is spinning, and I believe there -may- be some stuff in the BIOS for fan profiles but that little fella may be a bit old for that. I know that later Latitudes have it.

temperature isnt that high, look i explained in the other message, maybe its power throttling? no clue

 

[itzahmedok]

So guys there was this tutorial on how to disable thermal throttling in group policy, does it work?

 

[CelicaGT]

temperature isnt that high, look i explained in the other message, maybe its power throttling? no clue

We have dozens of these, that were used in an industrial setting (metal dust, grease, dirt in general). None of them run nearly that hot. Also, with a repaste you are restoring the system to it's original state, which is the FIRST step in any diagnosis, in order to reduce the number of variables one must consider. You must also consider hardware as well as software, but diagnose them separately, being methodical and documenting changes, and effects of said changes. Another suggestion is to check what back ground tasks you have running, check via Task Manager and observe what is using the most CPU time. At idle, usage should be around 1-2% tops, ignore clockspeed for the time being.

 

[CelicaGT]

So guys there was this tutorial on how to disable thermal throttling in group policy, does it work?

Do not disable thermal throttling unless you are overclocking and know what you are doing.

 

[itzahmedok]

Do not disable thermal throttling unless you are overclocking and know what you are doing.

i am overclocking and know stuff about it, but does this actually work?

 

[itzahmedok]

We have dozens of these, that were used in an industrial setting (metal dust, grease, dirt in general). None of them run nearly that hot. Also, with a repaste you are restoring the system to it's original state, which is the FIRST step in any diagnosis, in order to reduce the number of variables one must consider. You must also consider hardware as well as software, but diagnose them separately, being methodical and documenting changes, and effects of said changes. Another suggestion is to check what back ground tasks you have running, check via Task Manager and observe what is using the most CPU time. At idle, usage should be around 1-2% tops, ignore clockspeed for the time being.

so look so most of the time I have discord and boblox only open, but when idle they use 20% and when I'm using them it reaches 80-90% for a single task, like boblox would be 90% (it wont let me type that boblox with the r..)

 

[CelicaGT]

i am overclocking and know stuff about it, but does this actually work?

I wouldn't do it. You are treating the symptoms, and not finding and fixing the problem by doing that. If you want a band aid, go ahead and try at your own risk. I do not, and will never recommend disabling safeties to users. If you fry the damned thing I want no part of it.

As for the system load, 90% utilization will heat things up. You are likely thermal throttling, that machine was never intended for such loads. Try shutting Discord down, see what you get. It typically doesn't use many resources but I'm comparing a 14 year old CPU to a 1 year old CPU. Core count matters.

 

[itzahmedok]

My thought is that ThrottleStop simply masked the problem which, in the meantime is getting worse.

The objective is to discover the root cause for the laptop's initial lagging and other behavior.

Start by disabling Throttlestop and all other undervolting etc..

Then use Task Manager, Resource Monitor, and Process Explorer (Microsoft, free) to observe laptop performance.

Use all three tools but only one tool at a time.

The power on the laptop and work as normal. Look for what changes as you work and pay close attention to what happens or stops happening around the 10 minute mark.

It will take some time and effort to get the observation process to smooth out for you. You do need to keep the tool window open to watch.

If the lagging is consistently at 10 minutes then the cause may be some background app or utility that launches to update, backup, or simply "phone home".

Look in Task Scheduler as well.

So i turn on my laptop, its going very smooth and everything, clock speed is high and good (i have turbo boost disable and hyper threading disable for now, hpt usually disabled but i disabled turbo for a bit but issue same with it on or off), but like after a few mins of gaming my temp went to like 100+ and my whole pc froze and lagged super bad, i managed to open task manager somehow cause it was laggy and hard to do but clock speed was still the same so why it lagging? meaning it didnt thermalthrottle?. This all with throttlestop off. Now when idle, it runs good, im not using anything but after a while, the base speed drops down so bad, like less then 1ghz, and i have to turn on throttlestop to make my laptop work again. Rn a found a vid on how to disable thermal and power throttling in group policy, i did that and restarted about to test it again. Lets see. Do u have any clue what could be the reason for the above?

 

[itzahmedok]

I wouldn't do it. You are treating the symptoms, and not finding and fixing the problem by doing that. If you want a band aid, go ahead and try at your own risk. I do not, and will never recommend disabling safeties to users. If you fry the damned thing I want no part of it.

As for the system load, 90% utilization will heat things up. You are likely thermal throttling, that machine was never intended for such loads. Try shutting Discord down, see what you get. It typically doesn't use many resources but I'm comparing a 14 year old CPU to a 1 year old CPU. Core count matters.

prochot is 105 and my laptop thermal throttles at 90? i did shut discord down same result. Also ofc im just asking for ur opinion lol, even if i burn the whole thing down, why would i ever say smth to u, i came to ask u for help, thats it. So dw lol udont have any part of it. I was just asking for advice and u gave me some good info, thank u.

 

[itzahmedok]

So my laptop is dell e6410, i5 m450, so like when im playing (boblox), and i reach constant 90C my whole laptop freezes and lags. At first i thought it was thermal throttling, but prochot is 105C, but just incase i disabled it from gpedit.msc. But during thermal throttling ur processor speed decreases, when it was lagging i managed to open to task manager cause it was so laggy and hard to open it, but the speed was same (2.38ghz), but my laptop was still lagging? So i thought maybe its power throttling but it isnt that either, cause i disabled it aswell in gpedit.msc. So any clue?

 

[itzahmedok]

So my laptop is dell e6410, i5 m450, so like when im playing (boblox), and i reach constant 90C my whole laptop freezes and lags. At first i thought it was thermal throttling, but prochot is 105C, but just incase i disabled it from gpedit.msc. But during thermal throttling ur processor speed decreases, when it was lagging i managed to open to task manager cause it was so laggy and hard to open it, but the speed was same (2.38ghz), but my laptop was still lagging? So i thought maybe its power throttling but it isnt that either, cause i disabled it aswell in gpedit.msc. So any clue?

 

[COLGeek]

Please do not start another thread on this topic. Three threads merged into one here.

 

[itzahmedok]

There is this "searchapps.exe" in resource monitor, it shows suspended but using a lot of threads and like my laptop running normally after some game time totally freezes and lags SO MUCH, my temp drops down but processor speed is same so isnt thermal throttling and this process is on top durin that situation. Any clue how to fix this or about this issue? Im using dell e6410, m450.
Thank u

 

[itzahmedok]

So i have dell e6410 Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 450 @ 2.40GHz 2.39 GHz, and the thing is
1:UPDATE I PUT THE THROOTLE STOP TPL AND TCL THINGY TO 6 AND 6 AND TURBO BOOST OFF IT FEELS SO GOOD ON 19 MULITPLIER


2:UPDATE BROO TURBO BOOST ONN, ITS OP


3:UPDATE TURBO BOOST MAKES U LAG BAD AFTER ALITTLE BIT GAMING SO OFF
I kinda wrote some notes to myself to remember so basically in bios when i turn off hypethreading only, im good but laptop slow and very laggy even with turboboost on. Then i turn on hyperthreading and turbo boost (which is already on) and the laptop feels SO SMOOTH AND GOOD, its a very old device but feels amazing, but the thing is during gaming the temp reaches 90C or smth and boom my whole laptop freezes and i see the temp it goes down to 65-70, while the fps on mygame is 2-3 and my whole laptop is lagging badly. Then i turn turbo boost off , the comin of that lag phase is delayed but still there and laptop less faster then hyperthreading and turbo boost both on. Can someone pls help me with this, idk whats wrong, i thought it was thermal throttling but it wasnt that i think, cause it didnt work after disabling it, or maybe i did it wrong but someone pls help me. I really want this laptop to work and rn as im typing with both things on but no gaming so temp is 64, and it feels so smooth and i wanna maintain that. Thank u to everyone who replies in advance.
Regards
Ahmed.

 

[Lutfij]

Please stick to one thread unless you want to make spaghetti out of your brains and the community members.

 

[COLGeek]

Given the age of the laptop, it is a wonder it is operating at all. It sounds simply like you are trying to squeeze more out of it than it can provide.

What do you expect from this old rig?