[SOLVED] Low FPS on Ryzen 1500x + GTX 1050 ti

[Danymq]

Hello, yesterday I "upgraded" from an FX 8300 to a ryzen 1500x but for my surprise the FPS are similar or worse. In all my tests I've noticed that the CPU is the bottleneck.
Is this the normal performance of a Ryzen 1500x?
Could be that the CPU is defective? I purchased it used on aliexpress for $55 https://es.aliexpress.com/item/32917806151.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.485563c04qQhV9
Any recommendatios?

Things I did after the upgrade
-Formatted and reinstalled windows 10 pro.
-Installed latest Nvidia drivers, Realtek HD Audio drivers and Asrock all in 1 Drivers for Ryzen.
-Installled all VC redist and DirectX

Games I've tested so far (minimum graphics settings to discard GPU bottleneck)
Assassin's Creed Unity Hovers at 45-50 FPS with huge random lag spikes.
The witcher 3 - hovers at 40-50 FPS
Assassin's Creed Syndicate hovers at 40-60 FPS
GTA IV hovers at 60 FPS with lag spikes (Sliders at minimum)

Mi current specs are:
Ryzen 1500x @stock (OC doesn't fix anything)
Arctic Freezer 33 eSports Edition
Asrock B450M-HVD r4.0 BIOS P3.10
Kllisre 16gb DDR4 2666mhz 17-17-17-39 single channel (No the best but I was on a budget)
Zotac 1050 TI OC Edition 4GB GDDR5
Power supply 550W Cooler Master

Assassin's Creed Unity Uplay Original

Assassin's Creed Syndicate

The Witcher 3 (GOTY) Original Steam

So a friend of mine lend me his Kingston 8gbx2 DDR4 2666mhz CL16-15-15-15 and here are the results.

AIDA64 Memory benchmark (Before around 21000MB/s)

The witcher 3 FPS barely improved by 1-5 (Lowest was 41fps)

Assassins creed Unity (Decent improvement around 5-10FPS but still are low FPS and GPU isn't at full)

Assassins creed Syndicate (Quite a huge improvement lowest was 71FPS)

So after the tests in dual-channel I'm certainly dissapointed memory benchmark showed a good improvement, but ingame the performance gain was just meh, this was meant to perform like an old six gen i5-i7, and is performing in games as good as my old FX8300@4.2ghz, Do you have other ideas of the performance issues, I'm afraid that the CPU could be defective or something.

 

[Danymq]

BS Alert!
https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti/amd-ryzen-5-1500x/low/?lang=en&currency=usd


And watch as the OP claims that fps barely changed...


Your setup is certainly capable of high fps at low, but you have to fix the memory limitation.
The cpu and ram do not work independently of one another, but as a pair; they work in tandem. The cpu is currently being held back by the ram, and thus not running at peak performance.

Ok, I will save some money for another Dimm, and I will try to make a comparison between Single-dual channel and maybe dual channel clocked to 3000mhz to see real performance gain. It will take me more than a couple of months to save the money and receive the package. and to be honest I don't want high fps, I just want to play at 60fps without stutter.

 

[Blitz Blitz]

Yeah gtx 1050 ti perfect for 60 fps... ~20 fps on first game... Shame...
P.S.: Gpucheck is bad source to compare performance.

View: https://youtu.be/FpLSrCHQ-qg
And more...

View: https://youtu.be/H6_Dj-TedSU

 

[Phaaze88]

Yeah gtx 1050 ti perfect for 60 fps... ~20 fps on first game... Shame...

View: https://youtu.be/FpLSrCHQ-qg

If you payed attention to the very video you linked, you'd have noticed that the poster ran all samples at high settings, which of course the 1050Ti would fall behind on...

The 1050Ti is a capable low graphics settings gpu.

Shame on YOU.



EDIT: Then later adds a HWUB video that does the same damn thing... benchmarking the gpu at the highest quality settings when the gpu isn't designed for it.
You're further proving my point, and digging a deeper hole for yourself.

 

[Jason H.]

If you payed attention to the very video you linked, you'd have noticed that the poster ran all samples at high settings, which of course the 1050Ti would fall behind on...

The 1050Ti is a capable low graphics settings gpu.

Shame on YOU.

Dude I have no idea how these guys cannot see that its single channel memory on a ryzen chip that is the issue lol.

Sure go buy a new gpu, then come back here and make a new thread when you realize even a 2080ti is still getting 50fps because of your memory and cpu combo lol

 

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Ok, I will save some money for another Dimm, and I will try to make a comparison between Single-dual channel and maybe dual channel clocked to 3000mhz to see real performance gain. It will take me more than a couple of months to save the money and receive the package. and to be honest I don't want high fps, I just want to play at 60fps without stutter.

Wait! You could try updating BIOS. It has more impact than changing RAM to dual channel. Dual channel is useless if you want to stick to 1050ti. It is no surprise that Ryzen is a whole new architecture and it has some microcode bugs. They are fixed in the latest BIOS. I strongly recommend updating BIOS. I was also having fps issues with Fallout 4 and Ryzen having extremely low fps. The solution is not RAM upgrade. Do not waste money. First try what I have said. IF it does not fix, save money for good GPU.

 

[Blitz Blitz]

You could also check bios settings. Maybe something not enabled/disabled.

 

[TerryLaze]

In all my tests I've noticed that the CPU is the bottleneck.

Games I've tested so far (minimum graphics settings to discard GPU bottleneck)

The CPU is bottlenecked because you run minimum settings.
Increasing the settings gradually will show you the point where lagg will stop without losing performance.

Dual channel RAM will maybe help a little bit with better FPS but it has nothing to do with stutter or lag.

 

[Danymq]

Wait! You could try updating BIOS. It has more impact than changing RAM to dual channel. Dual channel is useless if you want to stick to 1050ti. It is no surprise that Ryzen is a whole new architecture and it has some microcode bugs. They are fixed in the latest BIOS. I strongly recommend updating BIOS. I was also having fps issues with Fallout 4 and Ryzen having extremely low fps. The solution is not RAM upgrade. Do not waste money. First try what I have said. IF it does not fix, save money for good GPU.

Thanks updated to latest BIOS 1.0.0.4, but didn't worked the witcher is still giving me FPS as low as 36FPS, so unfortunately my performance is still poor, gess I will give a try to dual channel. I started this thread because I remember I saw a ryzen comparison and one of them was faulty because it was giving extremely poor performance compared to its big brother, I think it was a Ryzen 1400, so I was worried my CPU was faulty too.

 

[Danymq]

The CPU is bottlenecked because you run minimum settings.
Increasing the settings gradually will show you the point where lagg will stop without losing performance.

Dual channel RAM will maybe help a little bit with better FPS but it has nothing to do with stutter or lag.

That's the whole point of running low settings, made it very clear in the main thread, I reduced graphics to prevent a GPU bottleneck, and the bottleneck of the CPU was terribly low, CPU bottleneck shouldn't be below 60fps in those games, and if it is below there is a clear performance issue with the CPU, so after many replies in this thread I concluded that ram speed (single channel performance) was the bottleneck, I will order a new kit to match the old one to see if there is an increase in FPS, otherwise maybe the CPU is damaged as I bought it used, not new.

 

[Danymq]

Hello, yesterday I "upgraded" from an FX 8300 to a ryzen 1500x but for my surprise the FPS are similar or worse. In all my tests I've noticed that the CPU is the bottleneck.
Is this the normal performance of a Ryzen 1500x?
Could be that the CPU is defective? I purchased it used on aliexpress for $55 https://es.aliexpress.com/item/32917806151.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.485563c04qQhV9
Any recommendatios?

Things I did after the upgrade
-Formatted and reinstalled windows 10 pro.
-Installed latest Nvidia drivers, Realtek HD Audio drivers and Asrock all in 1 Drivers for Ryzen.
-Installled all VC redist and DirectX

Games I've tested so far (minimum graphics settings to discard GPU bottleneck)
Assassin's Creed Unity Hovers at 45-50 FPS with huge random lag spikes.
The witcher 3 - hovers at 40-50 FPS
Assassin's Creed Syndicate hovers at 40-60 FPS
GTA IV hovers at 60 FPS with lag spikes (Sliders at minimum)

Mi current specs are:
Ryzen 1500x @stock (OC doesn't fix anything)
Arctic Freezer 33 eSports Edition
Asrock B450M-HVD r4.0 BIOS P3.10
Kllisre 16gb DDR4 2666mhz 17-17-17-39 single channel (No the best but I was on a budget)
Zotac 1050 TI OC Edition 4GB GDDR5
Power supply 550W Cooler Master

Assassin's Creed Unity Uplay Original

Assassin's Creed Syndicate

The Witcher 3 (GOTY) Original Steam

So a friend of mine lend me his Kingston 8gbx2 DDR4 2666mhz CL16-15-15-15 and here are the results.

AIDA64 Memory benchmark (Before around 21000MB/s)

The witcher 3 FPS barely improved by 1-5 (Lowest was 41fps)

Assassins creed Unity (Decent improvement around 5-10FPS but still are low FPS and GPU isn't at full)

Assassins creed Syndicate (Quite a huge improvement lowest was 71FPS)

So after the tests in dualchannel I'm certainly dissapointed memory benchmark showed a good improvement, but ingame the performance gain was just meh, this was meant to perform like an old six gen i5-i7, and is performing in games as good as my old FX8300@4.2ghz, Do you have other ideas of the performance issues, I'm afraid that the CPU could be defective or something.

 

[Phaaze88]

1)Witcher 3:
Not entirely sure what's going on here. Both the cpu and gpu have fairly moderate loads.
I'd suspect drivers.

2)AC: U:
90% on Thread 3, but it was just a spike and not consistent. There's still a little headroom left.

3)AC: S:
Gpu is pretty much maxed out here. Cpu has a little left here too.


-It's nice that you were able to test a dual channel kit, but there is still performance missing off the table. That's still a 2666mhz kit and not 3200mhz, which is the optimal memory config.

-Is Windows up to date? Power plan on Ryzen Balanced?

-Motherboard drivers are updated?

-Use Display Driver Uninstaller(https://www.wagnardsoft.com/) to completely remove the older graphics drivers and install the newest drivers for the 1050Ti from Nvidia.

-In Nvidia Control Panel > Adjust image settings with preview, select 'Use the advanced 3D image settings', then click 'Take me there'. Make the following changes:
Power management mode: Either Adaptive or Max performance
Texture filtering - Quality: High performance
Vertical sync: Off
Click 'Apply', and exit NVCP.

 

[60frames]

So a friend of mine lend me his Kingston 8gbx2 DDR4 2666mhz CL16-15-15-15 and here are the results.

AIDA64 Memory benchmark (Before around 21000MB/s)

The witcher 3 FPS barely improved by 1-5 (Lowest was 41fps)

Assassins creed Unity (Decent improvement around 5-10FPS but still are low FPS and GPU isn't at full)

Assassins creed Syndicate (Quite a huge improvement lowest was 71FPS)

So after the tests in dualchannel I'm certainly dissapointed memory benchmark showed a good improvement, but ingame the performance gain was just meh, this was meant to perform like an old six gen i5-i7, and is performing in games as good as my old FX8300@4.2ghz, Do you have other ideas of the performance issues, I'm afraid that the CPU could be defective or something.

See, this is what exactly happened with me when I upgraded to dual channel and even the high frequency RAM will not help because I tried OC'ing my RAM to 3200MHz with my ryzen 3 1200 with Ryzen DRAM calculator but it did not improve my gaming performance.

 

[Phaaze88]

See, this is what exactly happened with me when I upgraded to dual channel and even the high frequency RAM will not help because I tried OC'ing my RAM to 3200MHz with my ryzen 3 1200 with Ryzen DRAM calculator but it did not improve my gaming performance.

What were you trying to play with a Ryzen 1200? It only has 4 threads. Memory frequency won't help any when all the cpu's resources are maxed out.
The OP's 1500X has SMT, and that gives them an edge on anything running more than 4 processes. So if you were playing the same games as the OP, your performance should be even worse, or perhaps on par with what the OP's getting now.

Besides memory frequency, I suspect they don't have all their drivers in order.

 

[60frames]

What were you trying to play with a Ryzen 1200? It only has 4 threads. Memory frequency won't help any when all the cpu's resources are maxed out.
The OP's 1500X has SMT, and that gives them an edge on anything running more than 4 processes. So if you were playing the same games as the OP, your performance should be even worse, or perhaps on par with what the OP's getting now.

Besides memory frequency, I suspect they don't have all their drivers in order.

No my Ryzen 3 1200 does not max out on any core in any game other than Crysis 3 . I was just telling my experience with Ryzen. I have a RX 460 and it has the same GPU utilisation issues with Ryzen. I was just telling that it may be a BIOS bug which will be fixed in future and memory frequency will not help in such a case and definitely not for a 1500x.

 

[Danymq]

1)Witcher 3:
Not entirely sure what's going on here. Both the cpu and gpu have fairly moderate loads.
I'd suspect drivers.

2)AC: U:
90% on Thread 3, but it was just a spike and not consistent. There's still a little headroom left.

3)AC: S:
Gpu is pretty much maxed out here. Cpu has a little left here too.


-It's nice that you were able to test a dual channel kit, but there is still performance missing off the table. That's still a 2666mhz kit and not 3200mhz, which is the optimal memory config.

-Is Windows up to date? Power plan on Ryzen Balanced?

-Motherboard drivers are updated?

-Use Display Driver Uninstaller(https://www.wagnardsoft.com/) to completely remove the older graphics drivers and install the newest drivers for the 1050Ti from Nvidia.

-In Nvidia Control Panel > Adjust image settings with preview, select 'Use the advanced 3D image settings', then click 'Take me there'. Make the following changes:
Power management mode: Either Adaptive or Max performance
Texture filtering - Quality: High performance
Vertical sync: Off
Click 'Apply', and exit NVCP.

After many attempts here is what I've tried so far after formatting the PC for the first time.
-Installed latest Nvidia Drivers
-Installed latest AMD chipset drivers
-Installed latest audio drivers from ASrok page
-Installed al VC Redist x86/x64
-Installed DXwebsetup
-Updated BIOS to P3.70
-Overclocked CPU, GPU and Ram
-Dual channel 2666 cl16
-Played around with Nvidia panel (Threaded optimization, Physx, vsyn, performance modes, and energy state)
-Used DDU in safe mode.
-Tried with windows default video drivers (the Nvidia ones that installs from windows update)
-Tried reinstalling Nvidia drivers
-Checked CPU temps (the didn't go above 65ªC with OC)
-Tried disconnecting every HDD except the main SSD.
-Benchmarks in CPU-Z, Cinebench r15-r20 were OK scores for this processor.
-Reinstalled AMD chipset drivers.
-Changed between AMD Ryzen balanced, High performance (both CPU max freq was 100%)
-Disabled windows antivirus.
-Removed motherboard battery to set values as default.

And perhaps tried a couple of things more that I don't remember at the moment, and none of the above worked. So in my desperation before sending it to a store to test the parts individually, I created a secondary partition to install another windows version just in case something was wrong with windows or the drivers I doubted this could help because I had formatted a few days ago (Fresh install booted from USB for that install using windows download tool x64).

SO SURPRISE FOR ME IT WORKED!

I decided to reinstall windows in my main partition but this time just from windows to conserve my files and here are the results. CPU OC @3.8ghz, Ram single channel 2400 cl17 (I no longer have the dual channel kit to test), btw I used the same installers from the first format and now works just fine. Now I'm just gonna wait for the dual channel in a near future.

AC Syndicate

AC unity

The witcher 3

So in conclusion the problem was solved and now I'm happy with my build, benchmark scores didn't change after reinstalling windows, the downside: I was unable to find exactly what caused me the problem, perhaps was related with the BIOS update after the format, honestly I don't find an explanation but it must have been a windows/drivers problem.

Thanks a lot to those who really tried to help me instead of mocking at me for trying to run single channel in a Ryzen build, you guys make the PC community great!