Memo: Microsoft's 'Metro' UI to Get New Name 'This Week'

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[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]... As for people mocking Windows 8, you're being idiots. The OS is MS's best so far. Metro (or whatever MS decides to call it) is the problem in its current form, not the OS itself.
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Yes we agree the problem is Metro, thanks for getting on board . . . I am willing to say that yes Windows 8 for the desktop will make Vista look like 7. Windows 9 will release 1 to 1 1/2 later to try to fix Windows 8 failure on the desktop. They know people want the start button, so they hid it. Then blogs released the code to restore it, so microsoft stripped the code all together from windows. I am not going to "fix" windows 8, I will look for an alternative OS. If I want to play games I will play on a console.
 
[citation][nom]lradunovic77[/nom]@blazorthonYou don't get it don't you?Metro Screen gets in a way where i am and where i want to be.Metro Screen is nothing but big clusterfuck with all the icons placed there.Desktop users do not need Metro Apps.UI is ugly and overall unusable.Smart Phone / Tablet is not PC.Windows 8 is not any faster than Windows 7. People don't buy this bullshit!For 99% people out there SP2 for Windows 7 has more value than Windows 8.If MS claims that this is the best they can do, looks like Windows is soon gonna be dead platform.I can't wait for a day when numbers show total failure of Windows 8 and then we will talk here again and i will ask you...why so?And you will have no clue what to say....[/citation]

Yes, Windows 8 is faster and uses less resources than Windows 7. This is a confirmed fact. If you don't like Metro, then don't use it. I gave several ways to not use it even if you have Windows 8. Desktop users don't need to need Metro apps. I never said anything about them strictly because I don't care about them. They have almost no impact at all on what I've said. Metro isn't only for apps.

You people can complain about Metro being smart-phone tablet oriented, and you have something of a point, but that doesn't matter. It can work well for some things on the PC if you actually care to try it properly. Whether or not it fits your usage style is a whole other argument that just gets into personal opinion and at that point, again, I've given ways to not use it. A service pack being better is always a given. Everything that MS does could simply done in freely available service packs. However, then how would MS make any money? They would make much less money if they didn't release a new OS every few years like they usually do. MS can claim whatever they want to. This is obviously not the best that they can do and I already made that fact very clear by stating it in my previous post.

Ask me why? I never said anything about Windows 8 succeeding or failing. The success or failure of Windows 8 has no impact whatsoever on what I've said. I know exactly what I might say, you seem to be trying to act as if I'm on MS's side. I'm not. I don't care if they succeed or fail. I simply made an unbiased post about Windows 8 to counter the extreme bias that people have shown so far.

Will Windows 8 fail? Maybe it will. I've already said that they could have done better. Like what I and belardo talked about in a previous article, they could have taken the concept of Metro and used it to modify the start menu and the gadgets/widgets and had the full-screen Metro as an additional platform rather than the intended replacement for the start menu. For example, a scroll-able two by X series of tiles could replace the left part of the start menu while leaving the right side more or less the same. The Metro-style menu that appears in Windows 8 when you put the mouse on the right side of the screen is a good start to something that could replace the Gagdets. Windows apps could replace the gadget apps and more advanced apps could require the full-sized Metro screen for more display real estate. That would have been far better than what MS is doing right now IMO, especially if MS kept the looks of the original dev preview rather than the current releases.

Regardless, maybe it won't fail anyway. We probably won't know for sure until next year or the year after. It's not like the average person cares if they're using a start menu or using Metro/whatever it's going to be called. Heck, the average person probably uses the desktop and the task bar far more than they use the start menu.
 
At M$, as at many giant corporations, if you concentrate really hard you can bend reality with your mind...
 
[citation][nom]classzero[/nom]Yes we agree the problem is Metro, thanks for getting on board . . . I am willing to say that yes Windows 8 for the desktop will make Vista look like 7. Windows 9 will release 1 to 1 1/2 later to try to fix Windows 8 failure on the desktop. They know people want the start button, so they hid it. Then blogs released the code to restore it, so microsoft stripped the code all together from windows. I am not going to "fix" windows 8, I will look for an alternative OS. If I want to play games I will play on a console.[/citation]

That argument is like saying that you don't want to use Windows just because you don't like the web browser that it comes with, IE, so you will use a different OS rather than install your own. You don't like the *start menu* that Windows 8 has, so you don't care to install your own. Also, consoles versus PCs for gaming are two different experiences. I won't flame for having a different preference, but keep in mind that some others might because the two experiences are simply not the same, especially with higher end PCs.
 
It's going to be interesting to see if the "Metro" UI makes it in the enterprise world, ya know, where people need to be "productive" with their PC... meh, that's crazy talk! 😉
 
[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]OK Then Captain, how about 'Windows that most of us dont want' or 'Microsoft want's to be another Apple' or 'All hope is lost for the desktop Windows' and no shit it wasn't the point of changing the name, unless you realize its an attempt at damage control as the word about windows metro spreads.[/citation]
...I like bandwagons.
 
People are afraid of change. Metro is meant for tablets, nobody is forcing you to use it. To those saying they'd rather use Linux than Metro:

You don't have to use Metro. You can even set Windows 8 up so that it automatically logs you into desktop. Yes, it takes some configuration, but if you don't want to configure anything, I don't think you're going to like Linux any better.

Have you ever even used Linux? It takes like 10x longer to configure anything in Linux than it does in Windows. Even with Ubuntu.
 
[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]OK Then Captain, how about 'Windows that most of us dont want' or 'Microsoft want's to be another Apple' or 'All hope is lost for the desktop Windows' and no shit it wasn't the point of changing the name, unless you realize its an attempt at damage control as the word about windows metro spreads.[/citation]
How about, "Windows that a few people constantly moan about, whilst massively outnumbered by a billion people who won't care less and will just buy it and use it anyway the same as they always have done for the last 17 years"
 
I tried windows 8 for over a week and decided it was not for me unless they improve it. I found with my older 775 socket, integrated video on the motherboard (intel DG35EC) and Intel E7200, that flash would not work well enough. I realize that it might just be the old hardware, but it met the Windows 8 requirements. So I might try it again after I build a new computer. When I installed win 8 it seemed to run fairly smooth and faster than in Win Vista.
 
Well it takes time for win8 to get optimised to all possible hardwares. For those who have supported hardware, it seems to run smoother. It allways takes some time to hardware makers to make those drivers right. So early bird is more likely to suffer from bad support. From year of now I supose that most big manufacurers have their drivers updated. Untill that it is easier with completely new machine.
 
[citation][nom]Blandge[/nom]People are afraid of change. Metro is meant for tablets, nobody is forcing you to use it. To those saying they'd rather use Linux than Metro:You don't have to use Metro. You can even set Windows 8 up so that it automatically logs you into desktop. Yes, it takes some configuration, but if you don't want to configure anything, I don't think you're going to like Linux any better.Have you ever even used Linux? It takes like 10x longer to configure anything in Linux than it does in Windows. Even with Ubuntu.[/citation]
Sorry, but they do force you to use it to launch any software that isn't either pinned or on the desktop.

Have you ever used Linux? I don't think you know what you're talking about, to be honest. Or more likely, are not familiar with Linux whereas very familiar with Windows, so of course it takes you longer on Linux – check out these two articles: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm (it is somewhat out of date, think WinXP), and http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/71800.html. I use it all the time, and I have no problems configuring anything I want, at least as easily (and as fast) as Windows.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]How about, "Windows that a few people constantly moan about, whilst massively outnumbered by a billion people who won't care less and will just buy it and use it anyway the same as they always have done for the last 17 years"[/citation]

Or how about 'Microsoft knows whats best, and I will change the way I've been computing for the last 30+ years because they say so'

Hey Toms, Lets have an official poll of people here who like/dislike win8? Let the people decide.

What SOME of you seem to be missing, is that if Microsoft thinks the masses like/use win8, it's gonna be tablet city from here on out. THIS IS A CALL TO LINUX DEVELPOERS ! Since Microsoft is abandoning those of us that thought win7 was actually the best release of the os ever since dos days, here is a chance to really bring linux to the forefront as the new desktop standard.

If they (microsoft) were smart they would release this metro(or whatever) as a separate os that can fully integrate with a proper desktop os. Seems like even crapple does that.

But, I guess all of us who have made it plenty obvious about our feelings towards the new windows can just go suck it, much to the de-light of some of the posters here. Im just tickled pink that you have embraced the new direction MS wants to push the desktop to, its just a shame for those of us who actually use there computer for things other than Facebook & Twitter.

And dont preach to me about how I can fix win8 with a few simple hacks. All the other versions have worked out of the box (more or less) without having to do much if anything at all. Yah, Vista was released a tad early before it was ready for prime time, and we arent even going to mention ME, but for the most part they gave there consumers what they wanted. This time, not so much.

A fairly well known gentleman that has a radio show about all things geeky, even said 'the change from windows 7 to 8 is more dramatic then going from win7 to Mac os', and personally I agree with that statement. Unlike all the previous versions, where if you had ever used windows, you could sit down behind the latest windows and still be comfortable using it.

Sure would like to see that poll.
 
Windows 8 = OSR (Operating System Rape)

[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]I love all the I'll switch to Linux comments. No. You won't.[/citation] Yes I did / am. Hours a after installing Win8, I then DLed and installed LinuxMint - which was easily more likable than Windows 8.

The famous Win8 "What the hell is this?!" video on Youtube is funny and serious. A tech geek had his father try out Windows8. He then had his father try out Linux and MacOS. The dad did a better job with those!

I'm already planning on going Linux. I'm, not doing it tomorrow, it will be over a period of time. I'll get the PS4 for gaming... there is nothing left for the PC anyway.
 
Notice: Almost no comments about this article itself. I think there is another reason they are dropping the Meto name. Yes, there are Metro(whatever) mode and Desktop mode. Metro is NOT an operating system - its a UI. And word is that MS will rename Windows 8 as "Windows 8 User Interface"!? wow.
 
[citation][nom]PreferLinux[/nom]Sorry, but they do force you to use it to launch any software that isn't either pinned or on the desktop.Have you ever used Linux? I don't think you know what you're talking about, to be honest. Or more likely, are not familiar with Linux whereas very familiar with Windows, so of course it takes you longer on Linux – check out these two articles: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm (it is somewhat out of date, think WinXP), and http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/71800.html. I use it all the time, and I have no problems configuring anything I want, at least as easily (and as fast) as Windows.[/citation]

Compare the amount of work that it takes to configure a Linux box for playing games in DX11 to the amount of work that it would take to configure Windows 8 to not use Metro at all. There is a fairly large discrepancy beyond the fact that most people don't even know that you can play games in DX11 on Linux (even harder is getting audio to work in such a situation with new games). Not even the greatest Linux guru can do it faster than I can install a start menu and make a few other changes in Windows 8 to ignore Metro completely, although they'd probably manage much faster than I could with Linux.
 
"Metro" is a generic name.... there are "Apple Automotive" "Apple Drug store" "Apple Dentist" - which are not being mistaken as the Apple computer company.

The German Metro AG company has no power over USA laws/ names / whatever.

It doesn't matter what they rename Metro... its still garbage.
 
Every user I have given it to for testing that has actually used it saw the "desktop" button right away and were right at home in a matter of 5 seconds. They all rather enjoyed having streaming weather, company IM's and email updates all at their fingers in live tiles.

For all the haters / bashers out there, I don't think you know what your talking about, your just joining the bandwagon. If any of you whiners actually worked in IT, you would understand that EVERYTHING CHANGES ALL THE TIME! You either get used to it and love it, or you get fired.

The added features of windows to go, native ISO mounting / virtual disk, enhanced security, better memory utilization and enhanced virtualization support make windows 8 a no brainer for any windows shop.

I can host 30% more windows 8 rtm desktops on the same VM cluster as windows 7x86, which was already on par with XP. That means 30% less hardware overhead, 30% less electricity used and 30% less AC required.

Also its IT's job to make sure the user has a good experience, if your IT department rolls out vanilla windows 8, they should be fired, just like if they rolled out vanilla windows 7, vista, or xp. Its Microsoft's premiere support's job to make sure IT can deliver a happy user experience.

But then again all of the whiners here wouldn't realize that, because they live in their mothers basements, work at best buy, and the only thing they know about windows 8 is what they saw on youtube.

p.s. Blazorthon is right, its much easier to customize windows than Linux for a single machine, let alone an entire product line. You show me how long it takes you to create a linux image that will install on 30 different models of laptop / desktop / tablet and look and work the same on every one (sans touch since thats tablet only)

I will have a single windows 7 ISO created with drivers for every dell/hp/ibm made in the last 6 years with office, firefox, chrome, antivirus, whitelisting, acrobat, cutepdf, flash, custom icons / favorites / background, and anything else legal to distribute etc... in 60 minutes.

After 60 minutes, you might have your first hardware platform imaged and setup, now to capture it. Only 29 more to go.....

This is the difference with Microsoft Vs Linux. Microsoft makes all the tools for IT to work. Linux you have to make them yourself or piece them together from the open source community and hope they work.
 
[citation][nom]lradunovic77[/nom]Windows Media Player with better one including Blu Ray Support, MVK Support, Flac support instead of removing even DVD support with Windows 8.[/citation]Some of the stuff you suggested is just ridiculous, but I cherry picked this one because its simple. They removed DVD support because they were paying a licensing fee for every copy of Windows sold. Heck Motorola is suing them over H.264 support right now. They decided it wasn't worth it, if you want DVD playback or anything else WMP doesn't do, just download a third party freeware player that dodges the licensing problem. For example, VLC is dead simple, and good enough for most users.
 
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