Memory timings same, same brand, diff price?

tydalwave

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This confuses me, im no wiz but have built my last few systems and since ddr2 has come out and have learned a lil bit more, the timings confuse me,

4-4-4-4-12? vs 5-5-5-5-15 or 12? same prices?

so performance timings are lower correct? why are some of the 5's more expensive at the same brand name? ( oh and for you people that get mad that people post the same questions, i looked and couldnt find this answer) thanks in advance...
 

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The thing with brands is that they source their products from different manufacturers, so in some cases you'll find ram from the same brand and similar specs at different prices. There's samsung, micron d9, hynix, and some others that actually make the ram modules. OCZ, corsair, kingston etc... all get their modules from said companies, if one month they get x module for x dollars than that version of that ram will cost x dollars. Fast forward a few months and you may have y brand for y dollars inside the same brand name. This includes specific series like the corsair dominator series, theres a wide price varience with those modules because the costlier ones use micron d9's, which are famous for their quality, the cheaper ones likey use hynix or some other manufacturer.

Hope this clears things up.

As for the ram timings the official ddr2 standard is 5-5-5-5-15 at 1.8v. However, most brands offer gaming or high end modules at lower latencies that offer a performance increase such as 4-4-4-4-12.

Is there anything else I can clear up for you?
 

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nice post. but you're wrong about samsung... all their products are in house... eg. the screws, the chips, everything... all samsung, no outside manufacturers.... but other than that... yes, made at a different time. cost them 10 bucks more 2 months ago, costs you 10 bucks more now... that and the quantity of sales... of course people are going to buy the 44412 over the 55515... so the prices on the 44412 drops because a) they can sell more and b) there's more competition for the lower timings...

ps: samsung makes some really great products at good prices because of how they work... not because they skimp on parts... :p that's part of the reason they are so successful
 

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I thought samsung was the largest manufacturer of ram, guess i was wrong. Thanks for correcting me, i dont want to be a purveyor of untruths.
 

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sorry sasparillamayonase for making you mad somehow, anywho guys, thanks a ton for that explanation, looking at building the wife a system ( she gets the handmedowns i just say that so i can buy the stuff ) and memory always has confused me, thanks again!
 

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sorry sasparillamayonase for making you mad somehow, anywho guys, thanks a ton for that explanation, looking at building the wife a system ( she gets the handmedowns i just say that so i can buy the stuff ) and memory always has confused me, thanks again!

He was just being funny, relax. :wink:

To answer ur question - yes, CL4 is better than CL5.

If u find CL5 priced higher than CL4 then thats probably not a good deal.

CL4 and CL5 dont mean all that much though. The thing that matters most is the type of chips. What u want is Micron D9 (unless u dont want to overclock, in wich case just buy the cheapest CL4 u can find).

Buy this please. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065
 

ZOldDude

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sorry sasparillamayonase for making you mad somehow, anywho guys, thanks a ton for that explanation, looking at building the wife a system ( she gets the handmedowns i just say that so i can buy the stuff ) and memory always has confused me, thanks again!

He was just being funny, relax. :wink:

To answer ur question - yes, CL4 is better than CL5.

If u find CL5 priced higher than CL4 then thats probably not a good deal.

CL4 and CL5 dont mean all that much though. The thing that matters most is the type of chips. What u want is Micron D9 (unless u dont want to overclock, in wich case just buy the cheapest CL4 u can find).

Buy this please. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065

That same brand in the Xtream model are only $79 for a 2GB set after rebate right now on Newegg and in DDR2-800 are 4.4.4.12 and are really DDR2-1000 rated Micron chips which run @ DDR2-1000 without getting warm.
They have many OC reviews on this model.

The same chips are used on the Xtream 4GB set with the exact same time settings...but the 2GB set is the best deal right now as two sets give 4GB with high speed an low stock times for $160 USD.

Z

G.Skill and Patriot are the best buys and overclockers @ any given price.
Corsair and OCZ have stupid prices.
 

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sorry sasparillamayonase for making you mad somehow, anywho guys, thanks a ton for that explanation, looking at building the wife a system ( she gets the handmedowns i just say that so i can buy the stuff ) and memory always has confused me, thanks again!

He was just being funny, relax. :wink:

To answer ur question - yes, CL4 is better than CL5.

If u find CL5 priced higher than CL4 then thats probably not a good deal.

CL4 and CL5 dont mean all that much though. The thing that matters most is the type of chips. What u want is Micron D9 (unless u dont want to overclock, in wich case just buy the cheapest CL4 u can find).

Buy this please. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065

That same brand in the Extream model are only $79 for a 2GB set after rebate right now on Newegg and in DDR2-800 are 4.4.4.12 and are really DDR2-1000 rated Micron chips which run @ DDR2-1000 without getting warm.
They have many OC reviews on this model.

G.Skill and Patriot are the best buys and overclockers @ any given price.
Corsair and OCZ have stupid prices.

Yeh, thats an excellent deal.
And you're right, Corsair and OCZ have horrible prices, but at least OCZ makes good RAM.
 

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but at least OCZ makes good RAM
Yes OCZ and Corasir do make good ram moduals.
Who do you think they buy their chips from?
Patriot also uses Brainpower 6 layer PCB's to mount their chips under thier brand name.
They are also a California based company.

Note my location in my sig.

Z
 

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but at least OCZ makes good RAM
Who do you think they buy their chips from?
Patriot also uses Brainpower 6 layer PCB's to mount the chips on.
They are also a California based company.

Note my location in my sig.

Z

OCZ makes a 7200C4 module with Micron D9 chips. Thats how they redeem themselves from being as bad as Corsair.

And I'm not crashing and burning personally, nor do I care what a bunch of 4th world countries do - unlike us, they dont matter.
 

ZOldDude

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And I'm not crashing and burning personally, nor do I care what a bunch of 4th world countries do - unlike us, they dont matter.

Oh my sig got noticed!

For 100 points and a donut tell everyone what it means or where it came from.
Yes it does matter and it will effect you in your life time.
In fact it has already done so in the past 2 years no matter which country you live in......and it is NOT going to get better.

PS: They will not notice....thus not care.

Z
 

Track

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And I'm not crashing and burning personally, nor do I care what a bunch of 4th world countries do - unlike us, they dont matter.

Oh my sig got noticed!

For 100 points and a donut tell everyone what it means or where it came from.
Yes it does matter and it will effect you in your life time.
In fact it has already done so in the past 2 years no matter which country you live in......and it is NOT going to get better.

PS: They will not notice....thus not care.

Z


I have no idea what u mean. How do these countries matter?
 

ZOldDude

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And I'm not crashing and burning personally, nor do I care what a bunch of 4th world countries do - unlike us, they dont matter.

Oh my sig got noticed!

For 100 points and a donut tell everyone what it means or where it came from.
Yes it does matter and it will effect you in your life time.
In fact it has already done so in the past 2 years no matter which country you live in......and it is NOT going to get better.

PS: They will not notice....thus not care.

Z


I have no idea what u mean. How do these countries matter?

It is not how they "matter" as much as how they are not effected.

Search 'peak oil' and then look at your gas pump prices.
The reseach artical was done about decade ago befor prices started to come up at the high rate they have world wide.

Oil it's self is a biological process and self renewing....just takes f*cking forever.

The world is NOT short of oil but each year it costs more to extract it.
The price to "get" vrs "sales price" raise in a set ratio.

IE:Canada USES 3 'units' of oil to in energy GET each 'unit' it sales.
They are already screwd in that ratio and treaties say they give most of it to other countries (NAFTA/CANAM).

In all 1st World contries the economy DEPENDS on oil and without it at a "cheep price" the economy WILL fail and the populations WILL suffer...many will die mostly of hunger or lack of pumped water systems.

"Peak Oil" has to do with the return on what is expended to get it (like OC'ing and computer parts prices).

The thing is the world hit that "peak" 15-20 years ago and now the prices are comming to bare....and they will get worse by far very fast given the populations that depend on them and the growth of those populations.

Your "4th world population" will if you are 20 years old most like be far better off in terms of food and water befor your 70.

Oil and it's energy and what that energy provides for basic life will still be around for those who can pay for it....it is just that a country of now 300+ million like the USA only a few % wise will have any benifit by the end of our life times.

The wealthy and politiions will always make it.
Hell they are one and the same world wide.

The "poor" who survive world wide will be the farmers (agrarian societies) who never used oil energy to survive.

Long live your 4th world citizen.

Z
 

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Take that 4th world contries. Track has spoken!
Canada's economy is vastly effected by my sig.

lol, before i read your last post i immediately thought of mayonnaise for some reason :S, then i saw your post and linked the words crash and burn and it clicked.
 

ZOldDude

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Take that 4th world contries. Track has spoken!
Canada's economy is vastly effected by my sig.

lol, before i read your last post i immediately thought of mayonnaise for some reason :S, then i saw your post and linked the words crash and burn and it clicked.

And now what are your thoughts?
My sig also releates to the subject of this thread.
It relates to every day of your life.

It all comes down to cost/payout vs what you get and you really see/use/need.

Go for the best value in life what ever it is you seek.
Today is not comming again...but the next day still comes.
Ready or not.

Z
 

Track

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It is not how they "matter" as much as how they are not effected.

Those countries arent even trying. We are trying, so yes, we have something to lose.. but they just have nothing and always will have.
I'd rather try and lose than not try at all.

The "poor" who survive world wide will be the farmers (agrarian societies) who never used oil energy to survive.

Long live your 4th world citizen.


You're saying that our high-end and rich lifestyle is only possible because there is oil? And so, when it runs out we will have no more than the farmers in the argrarian societies. Thus, they will be better off because they are already used to having nothing?

Well, thats pretty harsh. I think we can get over not having oil. I dont even like oil, I try to cut down on fat.

All in all, ur view of the world is extremely malformed. If u really think that not trying and thus having nothing to lose is better than trying and having the chance to lose what u gained, then u need help.
 

ZOldDude

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Buy this please. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065

I just noticed: In the combo deals section, there is a combo for "RiDATA ARITA 4.7GB 8X DVD+R 25 Packs Disc - Retail" to be included with that RAM, free of charge. Those DVDs also have a $10 mail-in rebate to go with them. If you do the mail-in rebate and pay the $5 extra shipping, you get $5 off and get free blank DVDs to boot. RANDOM but it may help somebody :D

Cheat Bas-tards up'ed the price from 24 hours ago!

Still the best deal in town in my mind for the price (today that is).
 

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As to the commenter SasparillaMayonase he seems to be of no use to anyone.

Ok I have been buying GSkill ram for the last year, it works well and is very cost effective.

The last batch I bought was for a Q6600 box I am building.

Here is what I bought:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065

It's now 5 bucks cheaper than when I bought it.

It uses the D9GMH micron chips, and is well packaged, for the money it will serve you well.

As I really have no plans to overclock it was a perfect choice for me.

We will see ram prices continue to drop for the next couple of months until the cutback in manufacturing and the fall buying season drives the prices up again. Now is a good time to buy ram, Esp. DDR2.