Windows 8 is going to be such a train wreck. Even if there are people who love the new UI, M$ is handling this so poorly. There is absolutely no way that businesses are going to accept Metro. The learning curve is to steep, and in a work environment that means lost productivity, missed deadlines and reduced revenue.
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CaedenV
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I don't understand the Metro hate out there, but going so far to force people onto metro is equally dumb. MS has never taken such a radical stance on people modding the OS's interface. Sure, they have always been against window blinds and all the other modding programs, but they have never really gone 'out of their way' to prevent it.
thrasher32
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For Realz M$ Playaz?
I getting the feeling that Windows 8 will make Vista look like a great OS. What ever possessed the minds at M$ to think that people would want their desktop PC to look and act like a smartphone or tablet? I want more from the next version of Windows, not less.
I getting the feeling that Windows 8 will make Vista look like a great OS. What ever possessed the minds at M$ to think that people would want their desktop PC to look and act like a smartphone or tablet? I want more from the next version of Windows, not less.
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I agree that it will probably be good for a tablet, cell phone..........Xbox............but never a touch screen desktop.
But take a look at Microsofts ability to shoot itself in the foot every other release.
95 - Meh
98 - better?
98SE - there we go something that works
ME - Wait what?
XP - Holy grail?
Vista - DAFAQ?
7 - Holy Grail 2.0?
8 - Smash Computer *-_-
But take a look at Microsofts ability to shoot itself in the foot every other release.
95 - Meh
98 - better?
98SE - there we go something that works
ME - Wait what?
XP - Holy grail?
Vista - DAFAQ?
7 - Holy Grail 2.0?
8 - Smash Computer *-_-
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[citation][nom]thrasher32[/nom]LMAO how true[/citation]
How untrue? Absolutely positively untrue and ridiculously stupid. Apple forces their components and hardware down people's throat. MS is for PC. It doesn't matter what make, what model, what brand, how much you paid for it, what type of parts you upgrade it with and now they want it to be usable from other types of electronics like smartphones and tablets.
This is nothing like Apple. People hate Apple and forget the real reason why. No freedom. If this was from Apple it would be a 30 dollar update where you would have to make huge sacrifices for not upgrading and huge sacrifices for upgrading.
People are jumping on a train and don't even know what they are talking about.
How untrue? Absolutely positively untrue and ridiculously stupid. Apple forces their components and hardware down people's throat. MS is for PC. It doesn't matter what make, what model, what brand, how much you paid for it, what type of parts you upgrade it with and now they want it to be usable from other types of electronics like smartphones and tablets.
This is nothing like Apple. People hate Apple and forget the real reason why. No freedom. If this was from Apple it would be a 30 dollar update where you would have to make huge sacrifices for not upgrading and huge sacrifices for upgrading.
People are jumping on a train and don't even know what they are talking about.
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Windows 8 is looking more and more like it will keep up the trend of every other version of windows being a problem child. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes, but I am not optimistic.
I wish they cared about what people actually want instead of what they think will make them the most money with the least work.
I wish they cared about what people actually want instead of what they think will make them the most money with the least work.
so why are we buying windows 8? I honestly don't see anyone WILLING update to WIN8. This is Windows ME all over again. I think I'll be using windows 7 for another 10 years.
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I can see from my crystall ball that win8 will fail miserably because of Metro UI
I can allso see from my crystall ball that win9 will be huge succes because of metro UI
;-)
People are trange beings and after they get used to use metro in their mobile phones and in their tablets they are more than happy to use the same UI in their laptops and desktops, because they only have to learn to use one UI instead two or more... o mores o tempores...
We can allways trust that people are lazy.
Seriously speaking MS seems to be guite serious that Metro UI or some variant of it will be their future! They are cambling that it may hurt their sales at this moment, but people will come back with win9 or win10 and learn to use Metro... How many would bet that they do the same thing than with Vista and release next big DX upgrade only to metro based windows?
Interesting to see... Win9 will be out in 2014 or 2015... Nice to see what will happen. There will be guite a lot interesting innovations in win9 when the new disk operation system will come allso to consumer versions of windows. They are now testing it in new server version.
There will be support for win7 at least to year 2020. Somebody may be willing to use it to that year but after that there is not much alternatives...
I can allso see from my crystall ball that win9 will be huge succes because of metro UI
;-)
People are trange beings and after they get used to use metro in their mobile phones and in their tablets they are more than happy to use the same UI in their laptops and desktops, because they only have to learn to use one UI instead two or more... o mores o tempores...
We can allways trust that people are lazy.
Seriously speaking MS seems to be guite serious that Metro UI or some variant of it will be their future! They are cambling that it may hurt their sales at this moment, but people will come back with win9 or win10 and learn to use Metro... How many would bet that they do the same thing than with Vista and release next big DX upgrade only to metro based windows?
Interesting to see... Win9 will be out in 2014 or 2015... Nice to see what will happen. There will be guite a lot interesting innovations in win9 when the new disk operation system will come allso to consumer versions of windows. They are now testing it in new server version.
There will be support for win7 at least to year 2020. Somebody may be willing to use it to that year but after that there is not much alternatives...
I kinda need the start button, I guess i could smash head against the keyboard until some sort of window can up so I can browse to my programs the hard way.
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MS is taking a big gamble. I wonder Windows 8 could be huge hit transcending current desktop OS or a terrible fail. At the least, I appreciate the risk Microsoft is taking.
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[citation][nom]wardler[/nom]How untrue? Absolutely positively untrue and ridiculously stupid. Apple forces their components and hardware down people's throat. MS is for PC. It doesn't matter what make, what model, what brand, how much you paid for it, what type of parts you upgrade it with and now they want it to be usable from other types of electronics like smartphones and tablets.This is nothing like Apple. People hate Apple and forget the real reason why. No freedom. If this was from Apple it would be a 30 dollar update where you would have to make huge sacrifices for not upgrading and huge sacrifices for upgrading.People are jumping on a train and don't even know what they are talking about.[/citation]
Don't get yer panties in a bunch there dude, the point is that M$ is now handing down edicts like Apple. "We will not allow 3rd party developers to hack a Start button into Win8 even though a large segment of our users wants it" sounds just like something Apple would say.
Don't get yer panties in a bunch there dude, the point is that M$ is now handing down edicts like Apple. "We will not allow 3rd party developers to hack a Start button into Win8 even though a large segment of our users wants it" sounds just like something Apple would say.
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Windows 8/Metro UI will be a great success. Not only in the tablet market but the desktop market too. Windows 8 isn't only visual change, coding has changed for programs to operate better, including games.
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Not letting 3rd part apps hack a start menu is nothing about listening to consumers. The point is that MS made it very clear that they would be getting rid of the start button, and for those who don't like it can stick with Win7. That simple.
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Okay, I hate to admit it but Metro isn't that bad, really...it can be pared down so it doesn't look as stupid as it does out of the box. If the performance of 8 proves to be noticably better than 7 than I'll (I can't believe I'm saying this) chalk it up to evolution. If we can live with what the Ribbon BS this Metro shouldn't prove to be too horrible.
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This applies to the consumer market. The much larger business market might just wake up and realize that Windows is fine for consumers (and gamers), but LINUX can meet BUSINESS needs quite nicely. If they've got to go through a massive retraining program, it may as well be as part of a switch to a more business-oriented environment in general.
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The next step is to block third party browsers like Firefox, chrome, opera and safari because Microsoft wants to make us suffer with IE 10?
BTW, win 7 was the last OS for computers, when am i gonna see the entry on wikipedia saying microsoft is a TABLET OS DESIGNER? lol
BTW, win 7 was the last OS for computers, when am i gonna see the entry on wikipedia saying microsoft is a TABLET OS DESIGNER? lol
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I think that M$ understands that win 8 will be at least a partial fail but they think its worth it to move further into the tablet space and to try and get at least some users used to buying apps through their marketplace.
So basically this is all about corporate interests and a big middle finger to the consumers. If only there was a viable alternative to Windows.
So basically this is all about corporate interests and a big middle finger to the consumers. If only there was a viable alternative to Windows.
Its a shame they're doing this 🙁 Windows 8 seems great if you ignore the interface, hacking the classic start menu instead of that fullscreen obtrusion was the only way to save this OS.
If you're like me you like to run a lot of things at once, sometimes having around 8 things on screen at once (gets awfully cramped on a 22" screen). This will be harder to do with metro being forced on us. 'I see you have a lot of windows open, let me just open my full screen start menu so you can open another one, which if its a metro app, will also be full screen'
I also dread to think how cluttered the start menu will get over time. I remember the old XP days where you could be running 1280x1024 and your start menu would fill the screen from so many apps being installed. With metro that will be hell to have hundreds of gigantic tiles which you have to scroll the entire screen to see. Sure there's search but that kind of defeats the object of having the tiles there in the first place.
From a business point of view Win8 is terrible. Its limits the productivity and the efficiency of getting work done. And their server changes... they need shooting.
I have been messing around with Server 8 lately as i am studying for an MCITP in server 2008 and thought it'd be nice to know future tech too. What did i find? Half the stuff i'm learning no longer applies and it takes a lot longer to do ANYTHING. I think the only way businesses will adopt server 8 (or 2012) will be the server core option, assuming that will still be possible.
Not to say Win8 will fail, since there's consumers out there which will like this (most of them already own an apple product so they're used to sh*t), but i can't see professionals adopting this, i certainly wont.
If you're like me you like to run a lot of things at once, sometimes having around 8 things on screen at once (gets awfully cramped on a 22" screen). This will be harder to do with metro being forced on us. 'I see you have a lot of windows open, let me just open my full screen start menu so you can open another one, which if its a metro app, will also be full screen'
I also dread to think how cluttered the start menu will get over time. I remember the old XP days where you could be running 1280x1024 and your start menu would fill the screen from so many apps being installed. With metro that will be hell to have hundreds of gigantic tiles which you have to scroll the entire screen to see. Sure there's search but that kind of defeats the object of having the tiles there in the first place.
From a business point of view Win8 is terrible. Its limits the productivity and the efficiency of getting work done. And their server changes... they need shooting.
I have been messing around with Server 8 lately as i am studying for an MCITP in server 2008 and thought it'd be nice to know future tech too. What did i find? Half the stuff i'm learning no longer applies and it takes a lot longer to do ANYTHING. I think the only way businesses will adopt server 8 (or 2012) will be the server core option, assuming that will still be possible.
Not to say Win8 will fail, since there's consumers out there which will like this (most of them already own an apple product so they're used to sh*t), but i can't see professionals adopting this, i certainly wont.
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third parties will find a way to bring it back no matter what MS does[citation]
[nom]dauntekong[/nom]Microsoft Windows 8 sales data: Day one of realese: Unit sold = 05 years later: Unit Sold = 0Microsoft Finance Director: "Urrr whats wrong with this picture? Did we do something wrong?"[/citation]
so basically you are saying nobody is going to buy a computer again
[nom]dauntekong[/nom]Microsoft Windows 8 sales data: Day one of realese: Unit sold = 05 years later: Unit Sold = 0Microsoft Finance Director: "Urrr whats wrong with this picture? Did we do something wrong?"[/citation]
so basically you are saying nobody is going to buy a computer again
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