Microsoft Blocking Third Parties from Reviving Start Button

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Call This What It Is AND Will BE....AN EPIC FAILURE!

The Overwhelming Majority of People and Business Users will still be using PCs when this joke of an phone prioritized unified OS is finally released, and they WILL NOT want NOR be better served by this stupid touchscreen/limited appstore based interface.

I could understand and possibly even applaud moving towards a unified OS core (independent of the interface), so they could shrink their code-base and make it more flexible and robust, however the idea of shoving this interface down the throats of PC users and forcing us to buy touch screen enabled flat-screens to fully-support this poorly thought out idea is WRONG.

One of the biggest conceptual advantages MS always had was that they offered a generally open system which could be flexibly customized to run widely-varied software on wildly variable hardware, for vastly different purposes. This plan goes entirely against those concepts. FAIL...FAIL...FAIL....

 
the only good thing about Windows 8 is the new task manager. and it's not the start button anymore it's a start page. ( you have to move to it now ) unless they change that too.

 
Is anyone even running this or are most people just complaining? Besides the learning curve everything actually runs smoother than my Windows 7 setup, menus pop up quick, apps load fast, animations are great and the underlying use of Windows 7 is there if you need it, you can hop back out to the desktop if you want to, pretty much everything that runs in Windows 7 so far has worked except say Kaspersky, but they already have a preview version to run on the preview version.

Once people get used to the Metro Interface, all their main stuff will be easily accessible, the menu can be customized so you can take out or add whatever you need, apps like, hey Toms Hardware, are really nice and have a great look to them.

I think this could end up being a really nice OS, the new UI could take some getting used to, and since more and more people are buying and using tablets (and touch screen monitors are popping up more and more too) it should be a pretty easy transition for even the less computer savvy people out there, I wasnt a fan at first and ran every excuse in the book like most of you already have, but after some use and with how nice it runs (and it isnt even final yet), this could turn out really really nice, especially if you end up syncing up your Windows Tablet and Smartphone when they are released, I'd love to have a whole ecosystem that interconnects my phone and tablet and PC and right now Apple is the only way to go and I'm never going there, especially not with a desktop computer
 
Not only that, but they also shoehorned Metro onto Windows Server 2012. LOL Microsoft.

There must be somebody in the upper levels that completely fell in love with Metro to bank all their future strategy on it. Too bad they're completely disconnected from what their consumers want.
 


hey i have an open mind and i do not fear change but sometimes when there is a change it is not always going to work out. i am someone who does not like fullscreen programs. i still like to see a window or program i am using while going switch to another program. the search feature where it has everything categorized is annoying but usable. most people complaining about it on here are very closed minded but not all of us are.

i don't like it what am I going to do? NOT BUY IT!!!!!
 
I don't understand the tech world's complete reluctance to make any changes. If it were up to the majority, we'd still have the UI of windows 3.1. As a developer, I live for innovation. If the majority hates something, it's a pretty good indicator that there is innovation involved, enjoy living in your grass huts sheeple.
 
I don't understand the tech world's complete reluctance to make any changes. If it were up to the majority, we'd still have the UI of windows 3.1. As a developer, I live for innovation. If the majority hates something, it's a pretty good indicator that there is innovation involved, enjoy living in your grass huts sheeple.
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innovation is good but that doesn't mean every innovation is going to be successful or everyone is going to like it
 
[citation][nom]john_4[/nom]If you want a real MS OS for your next build you better get on Newegg/Tiger Direct and get your OEM copy of Win 7 64 before MS pulls them all to force their tablet OS, FED spyware onto your desktop.[/citation]
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]hey i have an open mind and i do not fear change but sometimes when there is a change it is not always going to work out. i am someone who does not like fullscreen programs. i still like to see a window or program i am using while going switch to another program. the search feature where it has everything categorized is annoying but usable. most people complaining about it on here are very closed minded but not all of us are. i don't like it what am I going to do? NOT BUY IT!!!!![/citation]

But you can, from the desktop all the programs work like normal, Metro IE 10 is full screen but the regular desktop version runs perfectly fine like it does in Windows 7, thats why I asked if anyone was actually using this, cause from your reply it sounds like you arent, at least read Toms whole article on the preview itself, they go over pretty much everything
 


so you're bshing me because i didn't list every feature i used in windows 8? like i said most people who use this website (and it looks like you are among them) are so closed minded that you will bash anyone who doesn't like any change at all
 
I can see how this will piss a TON of people off. Honestly though, I'm excited about the multi-screen taskbar. pinning different items to different taskbars, plus multiple desktops, and access to the Run box. If you're a power user you probably don't use the Start menu much anyway. As long as you can still jump to recent files right off the taskbar I'll be fine with it..
And not booting to desktop? Who cares? You boot to metro, click the desktop tile ONCE and then leave your computer running for the next few weeks, I don't see that being such a big deal.
Not sure if they're removing things like Alt-tab, etc. If they do that and allow mousing to corners only, that'll be a deal breaker for me.

And you guys are all right about Server 12. ARE U KIDDING Microsoft? How many touchscreen servers exist in this world. Hopefully this is just an awful rumor. I know they want the user experience the same all around, but sysadmins need to have the option. Otherwise you're just locking shit down like Apple does.
 
I always like programs (especially games and my desktop UI) to be as customize-able as possible. The more I can make my PC more like me... the greater satisfaction I have. This is why the miis on the wii work great. You get to make your own little guy (or girl) to use in many games. And note... XBox then had to mimic the idea.
So I am just totally baffled as to why anyone would prevent me from customizing my UI (I was about to type "desktop" but... I guess that's gone.?) This is just totally weird.
Right now, I like what I hear about multi monitor support.... but I definitely do not like what I hear about the new UI. (and I'm not talking about just rumors... I'm talking about the things that MS says about it's own product.)
 
Is this accidental or does Windows actually want people to skip their even numbered iterations of Windows releases? It's like Vista release deja vu. I guess we can all just wait for Windows 9, just like we waited for Windows 7 before moving up.
 
Thurrott said he had heard Microsoft was removing code to prevent well-known UI hacks
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My girlfriends cousin heard from her best friends neighbour that the world is going to end in 2012, so you know it must be true.

The original article is referring to a rumour, and the author obviously dislikes the loss of the Start button when he uses phrases like
furiously ripping out legacy code in Windows 8
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. But even if the rumours are true, that doesn't prevent a programmer from developing a full blown replacement for the Start button in some way. They won't be able to do it with a call to the OS, that's all.

Removing legacy code is actually a goof thing It keeps the size of the OS down by not including useless coding. If, however, MS is actually going out of its way to prevent the use of something, as opposed to actually optimizing code, then that is really questionable, if not downright stupid.

This may be a good thing for gamers and Linux (no, I'm not a Linux fanboy - some say Linux isn't ready for the market, but I know I'm not ready for Linux - it's too much like work for me). If Win 8 gets a resounding NO from the market, maybe more games will be done for Linux, And maybe under Linux they can reduce piracy without requiring us to always be connected to the internet.
 
[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]I never heard of LinuxMint... but thanks for posting about it. It looks... clean and simple... a bit old-style Windows XP/7 with a cleaner task bar.I'm downloading it right now. ubuntu is really getting hammered for its interface change??[/citation]

Ubuntu at least gives you the option to boot up with Gnome Classic totally avoiding Unity (which is how I have mine configured). This is also of course what Win 8 should be doing. Sure even make the default setup with Metro UI but at least give the option to load a desktop-like UI for those that don't want Metro. But nooooo M$ might not make a buck on their app store if they did that. Well guess what M$: you're not going to make that buck anyway cause people will simply skip Win 8 as evidenced by nearly every single comment on this article.

 
Bah. I just remembered when XP came out and everyone was like "Ew, what the hell is that huge start menu???".

But then a few years later everybody got used to it and I haven't seen a Classic start menu except on old people's computers. Remember this post, Tom's Hardware readers! Remember it well and look back on it 4-5 years later from now.
 
I personally like the Metro interface, on my Acer W500 and my custom built Desktop. I also use Windows 8 on my presentation PC.

And also everyone is talking about their gaming pcs and stuff... Did you know that overall Windows 8 gives about a 10% boost in FPS?

Windows 8 is going to be more than just windows, its going to be intgration with Xbox, Windows Phone, and all of Microsofts services. Its all the stuff leading up to Windows 8, doing away with Live services, adding integration across all services, simplification, just a bunch of small things that most people wont notice.

Now with that said, the only thing I dont like about Windows 8 is the customizability. You cant go crazy with differnt mod (granted this will improve when there is a final release and people start making mods), even tho I dont use them often. But they are nice when they come.

For real tho people, dont be scared of Windows 8. I really feel like once it comes around you will love it.
 
Two ways to go, Stay with Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2, or go to Linux. I'll be staying with Windows 7 for my desktop and laptop, and using Linux for server applications.
 
Sorry, I butcherd that last post... Just woke up... Let me redo that for you with it completed

I personally like the Metro interface, on my Acer W500 and my custom built Desktop. I also use Windows 8 on my presentation PC.

And also everyone is talking about their gaming PCs and stuff... Did you know that overall Windows 8 gives about a 10% boost in FPS?

Windows 8 is going to be more than just windows, its going to be integration with Xbox, Windows Phone, and all of Microsoft’s services. It’s all the stuff leading up to Windows 8, doing away with Live services, adding integration across all services, simplification, just a bunch of small things that most people wont notice.

Now with that said, the only thing I don’t like about Windows 8 is the customizability. You cant go crazy with different mod (granted this will improve when there is a final release and people start making mods), even though I don’t use them often. But they are nice when they come.

For real though people, don’t be scared of Windows 8. I really feel like once it comes around you will love it. What you don’t understand is that they are not doing away with the start menu, its being replaced with metro UI. For example:

All of your “Pinned Start Menu” programs would be in your first set of tiles, your “All Programs” is in the next set, “Frequent Used” is in the next set of tile. It is meant to be more immersive, not a burden.

Just like everyone said, spend more than 5 minutes with it and you will come to like it. I didn’t like it at first, then after using it for about 2 weeks, I LOVE IT.
 
So much for using 3rd party software blazorthon! Microsoft is getting rid of the features to allow this. LOL LOL, Telling you windows 8 = Fail

Not doing something so quick and simple just because you don't think that you should need to do it is nothing short of laziness.
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Lets say someone gets around this and something messes up well Does Microsoft have to fix it NO, Not if you're using 3rd party software that is beyond their control. So you lose support with Microsoft which is something company's can't risk.

Again like i keep saying this is going to be a learning experience for Microsoft like vista was They will learn.
 
It would seem that Windows 8 has now become a virus.
No start button
No multi-tasking
No diagnostic tools.
…Yada, yada, yada
 
Windows 7 works fine, so I won't be an early adopter of their new interface.

It is one thing if they want to try a new interface on their cell phones, but in the laptop/desktop arena... they should stick with the formula that has worked in the past!

Windows 7 is still a relatively new operating system, so why would anyone want to venture into using a completely unfamiliar interface in Windows 8.
 
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