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I have read comments here that people didn't like XP when it first came out, well if you remember back to then it wasn't very good until the first service pack came out and the hardware manufacturers got their act together with the drivers. When Vista came out everybody hated it, rightly so because of the constant nagging and the poor memory management, and then Windows 7 came along and fixed most of the problems (Vista is still crap even with service packs) There is still lots wrong with Windows 7 and in many ways it is not an improvement on XP as regard usability. The Windows 8 Metro interface is totally broken for the desktop user being inefficient and clumsy, adding the start menu back was the only way to make it at least tolerable. I am looking forward to Windows 9.
 
I have been running windows 8 for a few months now on my laptop. Since the newest release came out, I installed it again last night and have been installing some of my basics on it like Office 2010, SQL 2012 and Visual Studio 2010. Now metro has so many icons on it that I have to scroll through three pages to see them all. I still can't find how to open VS. Hit the charm button, type in visual studio to find it and nothing. The only way I can open VS is to open up SQL Data Tools.
With just a few applications [ok, big applications] there are hundreds of icons to sift through, most of which I really don't care about and will never use and no real way of searching for the one I want. Come on folks, why when I install VS 2010 Ultimate version it doesn't even provide me a way to open up the stupid app.
With the start button, I would click start - visual studio and click on the VS icon. Boom

This will not work!!!

I work with servers everyday [I am a DBA] but it has been years since I have actually sit at the keyboard in front of one. Everything is done remotely. Yeah, metro on a server is incredibility stupid I am seriously thinking about suggesting we start thinking about looking into MySQL and Linux [hate them both] to replace the 150 servers I get to work with. Yes, we spend some major big bucks with microsoft and have been a bug supporter but when this this crap goes live, we might be forced to go to something else.

Windows 8 and Server12 is a big failure for anyone who has to work with a PC. Sure, if I used a computer for nothing but getting on facebook and do some web surfing, then its great. Last time I had Windows 8 on my laptop, my 'real' desktop starts getting filled up with icons because it is such a pain to find application.
 
all these people has the SAME OPINION,
ARE YOU STUPID ????

METRO IS A B-A-D I-D-E-A

Get serious and think a good and clever operation system.
 
classic behavior of big company screwing every1 just cause it think it can. MS really needs to die and go away period!
 
Who cares? I bet 1 week after launch there will be a program "not supported by M$ and potentialy dangerous for your machine" that will turn off the shitty METRO and give you a beautifull start buttom! =)
 
The last naill in the coffin for Windows 8, Microsoft is going down, and me not being an Apple fan, I think Apple will destroy Microsoft in this window between Windows 8 and the new version.
 
[citation][nom]jackbling[/nom]its silly, people will just "furiously" add code. You cant stop a nerd with a purpose, and this smacks of challenge.[/citation]
I wish it were that easy. This release is purely retarded. Worst ever. With ME and Vista, there were mistakes, sure. But this is on purpose. Good way to loose customer loyalty, fast. I've been an MS fanboy of sorts. (Since DOS 3.2) And I'm already ripe for the taking, and the OS isn't even out yet. It looks as if they cannot read feedback or something.
 
[citation][nom]Thunderfox[/nom]Windows 8 is looking more and more like it will keep up the trend of every other version of windows being a problem child. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes, but I am not optimistic. I wish they cared about what people actually want instead of what they think will make them the most money with the least work.[/citation]
Yeah, but all the code will be gone, I can't see them adding it back in for Win 9. I think the Post PC era is being pushed the hardest by MS. They are killing their core business. Unfortunately, in a post PC era, Microsoft does not exist. Desktops will run Android, and businesses will access legacy apps in VM's, like they already do. Looks like MS will be hanging out with Novell eventually.
 
[citation][nom]gm0n3y[/nom]I think that M$ understands that win 8 will be at least a partial fail but they think its worth it to move further into the tablet space and to try and get at least some users used to buying apps through their marketplace.So basically this is all about corporate interests and a big middle finger to the consumers. If only there was a viable alternative to Windows.[/citation]
They COULD make 2 versions I am guessing, one for mobile, phones etc and one for PC's. And cross platform integration is nice, but not if it looks like this.

Also, viable alternative to Windows? It is already here, they are both based off of Linux. It's called android and iOS.

(Thinking of iOS, I just realized even Apple is smarter. They have done exactly what I mentioned, one OS for Macs, another for mobility. Duh. They can't even copy Apple, properly.)
 
[citation][nom]vidfreek[/nom]Is anyone even running this or are most people just complaining? Besides the learning curve everything actually runs smoother than my Windows 7 setup, menus pop up quick, apps load fast, animations are great and the underlying use of Windows 7 is there if you need it, you can hop back out to the desktop if you want to, pretty much everything that runs in Windows 7 so far has worked except say Kaspersky, but they already have a preview version to run on the preview version.Once people get used to the Metro Interface, all their main stuff will be easily accessible, the menu can be customized so you can take out or add whatever you need, apps like, hey Toms Hardware, are really nice and have a great look to them. I think this could end up being a really nice OS, the new UI could take some getting used to, and since more and more people are buying and using tablets (and touch screen monitors are popping up more and more too) it should be a pretty easy transition for even the less computer savvy people out there, I wasnt a fan at first and ran every excuse in the book like most of you already have, but after some use and with how nice it runs (and it isnt even final yet), this could turn out really really nice, especially if you end up syncing up your Windows Tablet and Smartphone when they are released, I'd love to have a whole ecosystem that interconnects my phone and tablet and PC and right now Apple is the only way to go and I'm never going there, especially not with a desktop computer[/citation]
Speed is not really a problem on the desktop anymore. I am still wondering what I am going to use my 32GB of RAM and SSD I just installed, once Win 8 comes out. Oh yeah, I'll be using it to run 10 Win 7 VM's at once so I can multitask and sandbox better.

Win8 is not going to be an iPad killer, it is going to be a Microsoft killer.
 
[citation][nom]g-thor[/nom]My girlfriends cousin heard from her best friends neighbour that the world is going to end in 2012, so you know it must be true.The original article is referring to a rumour, and the author obviously dislikes the loss of the Start button when he uses phrases like . But even if the rumours are true, that doesn't prevent a programmer from developing a full blown replacement for the Start button in some way. They won't be able to do it with a call to the OS, that's all.Removing legacy code is actually a goof thing It keeps the size of the OS down by not including useless coding. If, however, MS is actually going out of its way to prevent the use of something, as opposed to actually optimizing code, then that is really questionable, if not downright stupid.This may be a good thing for gamers and Linux (no, I'm not a Linux fanboy - some say Linux isn't ready for the market, but I know I'm not ready for Linux - it's too much like work for me). If Win 8 gets a resounding NO from the market, maybe more games will be done for Linux, And maybe under Linux they can reduce piracy without requiring us to always be connected to the internet.[/citation]
I'de hate to be the developers working on a fragmented OS, with every machine running their own start menu hack. Avoiding UI fragmentation is supposed to be what keeps Windows from having the problems Android does. I guess they want to give up one of their LAST competitive advantages.
 
[citation][nom]DSpider[/nom]Bah. I just remembered when XP came out and everyone was like "Ew, what the hell is that huge start menu???".But then a few years later everybody got used to it and I haven't seen a Classic start menu except on old people's computers. Remember this post, Tom's Hardware readers! Remember it well and look back on it 4-5 years later from now.[/citation]
Yeah, but it just looked different, it didn't ACT totally different. And it didn't really have the massive potential for breaking existing apps. The enhancements like the search box instead of the run box were just nice improvements, which are powerful once people got the concept down, but still, they don't HAVE to be used. Metro with no legacy desktop is much worse than just poor planning. It is setup for EPIC fail. Business professors will use this as an example of how a once powerful company gave up their edger and dwindled into irrelevancy.
 
[citation][nom]jefferyd90[/nom]I personally like the Metro interface, on my Acer W500 and my custom built Desktop. I also use Windows 8 on my presentation PC.And also everyone is talking about their gaming pcs and stuff... Did you know that overall Windows 8 gives about a 10% boost in FPS?Windows 8 is going to be more than just windows, its going to be intgration with Xbox, Windows Phone, and all of Microsofts services. Its all the stuff leading up to Windows 8, doing away with Live services, adding integration across all services, simplification, just a bunch of small things that most people wont notice.Now with that said, the only thing I dont like about Windows 8 is the customizability. You cant go crazy with differnt mod (granted this will improve when there is a final release and people start making mods), even tho I dont use them often. But they are nice when they come.For real tho people, dont be scared of Windows 8. I really feel like once it comes around you will love it.[/citation]
I still down voted you, but I agree on some points. Cross platform integration is all MS needed to be a real powerhouse, and all the other platforms would generate the cashflow they are looking for in the market place. But I think the problem is too much all at once. There is no reason they couldn't have left the desktop in place and gauge market acceptance before pulling it from Win 9, after people got a chance to use and learn it. Then win 8 would have gone down in history as the last really good Desktop OS. But, alas, MS must really want to fail this time.
 
[citation][nom]Prescott_666[/nom]Two ways to go, Stay with Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2, or go to Linux. I'll be staying with Windows 7 for my desktop and laptop, and using Linux for server applications.[/citation]
A small business that I support will be getting an upgrade to Win 7 from Vista for this same reason. Win 8 is trash, So I will be supporting them on Win 7 and Server 2008 R2 indefinitely.

(At least they are making the decision easy for network admins. Upgrade from XP and Vista to Win 7 and squat.)
 
[citation][nom]jdwii[/nom]Again like i keep saying this is going to be a learning experience for Microsoft like vista was They will learn.[/citation]
I don't really think so. Vista was a blunder. This is intentional. And if I thought they'd have learned their lessons from Vista, the the Start menu wouldn't be getting so much hate. So the truth is, they never really learned, so I think it may be too late for them, with so much new and viable competition in the field, ready to devour leftover market share.
 
[citation][nom]supr[/nom]still using XP on work computers...looks like its gonna stay that way[/citation]
XP is crappier than people realize. It is too old, hardware manufacturers have already stopped developing drivers for it. Eventually it will die once the power supply, motherboard or SDRAM stick burns out with XP running. (OK, it will still have a home living inside of VM's for legacy app support.)
 
OMG, Microsoft you retards!

I'm never going own a touch screen monitor for my desktop. I'm a gamer why would I?

And what's the big deal with us having a start menu and being able to boot straight ot desktop? Is that really so bad Microsoft?

If we are going to spend money on Windows 8 then it needs to have the feature set that we want, not what you want.

I want to retain the start button, I don't want this metro UI. And I won't be buying from the app store.
I will however be buying new hardware, I will be buying games from Steam.

Why would a gamer buy gimmicky apps from an Apple wannabe appstore?

All we want is choice, I want traditional Desktop like many others, some people want the metro UI and the shitty apps from the shitty app store and finger prints all over their damn monitor.

So make it a choice for us too choose what we want to have during the install process.

Installation Options:

What Interface would you like to use?

1. Traditional Desktop
2. Metro UI

What the hell is wrong with you Microsoft? Why do you choose to take the hard road?

Just do what I've suggested god dammit, I'm smarter than you.

For one, you wouldn't be alienating your customers from the get-go.
Two, you won't be looking at bad sales figures at release and from there on in.
Three you won't be trying to fix the stuff ups later on and trying to win back customer confidence and actually get some sales.

Microsoft you really are pathetic. You don't want us to have something just because that's what we want.

How much time and money is being wasted to block third parties? More than enough too feed a few hungry villages in africa I bet.

We want what we want, not what you want us to have.

My wallet is staying shut, You can stick DX 11.1, stick it and stick it right up hard.
It's not enough to make me fork out.

You want our money.

We want a product that works for us period.

Absolute Idiots.
 
I can pretty much guarantee that the DoD, and other govt. entities will pass on winblows 8, and it's correllating version of server 12. They are gutting the ability of techs to troubleshoot issues with this (no doubt) bug filled OS. This screams "Look I'm the new Windows ME", or even worse BOB. I thought they learned something with BOB, ME, and Vista. Apparently not. Win 8/Server 12 = Fail! Microsoft, come up with something that is neat, ordered, and easy to navigate, and supply power users (techs) with intuitive tools to help us. Not jumbled FisherPrice "I wanna be a phone" OS'es.

/end rant/
 
[citation][nom]zingam_duo[/nom]No really... MS will not fail. They are monopoly and there are no alternatives. They've always been able to make the users use whatever MS wants them to use. I bet they are doing that so that they could reintroduce the feature in a future Windows version.And another reason it won't fail because all OEMs will need to install Window 8 anyway. So MS will slam it up your arse, even if you don't want it.[/citation]

No, M$ isn't a monopoly. They are the generally accepted OS. Much like DOS (M$ product), or UNIX back in the day. If M$ keeps pushing this crap, they will alienate their userbase. Who will then switch to something like CrAPPLE or a linux distro (Mint comes to mind). Linux is typically more stable anyway, though it is also more touchy with program errors/power issues.
 
Well... I don't believe any big move to Linux or Apple. They are just ok, but the program support is not great to them. More likely people will protest and leave win8 in the middle and come to upgrade to win9 or win10 even if there will be metro in them just because win 7 is starting to get old at that time... Both are guite good OS's but the programers are where big audience is and that is the windows world.
It would be nice to see big Linux jump, but not very likely to happen...
And when all new computer after next autumn are preinstalled with win8, nothing can stop the Metro invasion. They sell so many new consumer computer/year that it will quarantee somekind of movement to that direction.
 
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