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[citation][nom]JMS3096[/nom]I'm going for a -10 here.Anyone that stays with XP as a primary OS over 7 is an idiot. There is no software currently only for XP that would not work just fine in virtualization.[/citation]
I have to agree with this. XP Mode was designed for enterprise use, and so that as new software comes out enterprises can upgrade.
To those saying that making businesses pay for a new license is dumb are themselves idiots: under that logic, we should never make new trucks or engines, and to hell with this internet stuff, that's just more expense that will mean a company will cut jobs. The fact is that XP is slow, unstable, and full of security holes to this day.
That last one is a big one, it doesn't take more than a month for another story about how big corporations loose money due to hacking and how their CEO's and VP's are targeted by hackers again and again. One study found this past year that hackers have wrangled over something like $100 billion out of corporations and their employees. Win7 and Vista both close many security loopholes that cause this.
And to those complaining that IT departments don't like it: well, tough. I work in IT, and can tell you that switching to Vista was the best decision my company had made in a decade (concerning its platform, that is). We had been running XP SP1, I can't tell you the issues keeping those things on the network and free of infections we had. We were re-imaging two or three machines (at just my location) daily.
If your idea of IT is to run outdated and un-secure software for the rest of creation, switch to Linux at least. You were already coding support for proprietary devices, so don't tell me you couldn't live with this one more time. And then at least you'd have a secure kernel.
@RedRaider89: we've been saying why we like Windows 7 again and again in just these posts. Better kernel, more secure, easier to network. Just like I will tell you why I like Obama: already in his tenure, he has got more done than Bush in his 8 years. We have several key pieces of legislation introduced and aimed to pass, we may finally get equal rights in this country for all people, and at the very least this President doesn't make our country look like a jackass at every turn. Bush seemingly couldn't avoid doing that, what with his hillbilly drawl, his idiotic sensibilities and his ever-so present sense of moral superiority.
I have to agree with this. XP Mode was designed for enterprise use, and so that as new software comes out enterprises can upgrade.
To those saying that making businesses pay for a new license is dumb are themselves idiots: under that logic, we should never make new trucks or engines, and to hell with this internet stuff, that's just more expense that will mean a company will cut jobs. The fact is that XP is slow, unstable, and full of security holes to this day.
That last one is a big one, it doesn't take more than a month for another story about how big corporations loose money due to hacking and how their CEO's and VP's are targeted by hackers again and again. One study found this past year that hackers have wrangled over something like $100 billion out of corporations and their employees. Win7 and Vista both close many security loopholes that cause this.
And to those complaining that IT departments don't like it: well, tough. I work in IT, and can tell you that switching to Vista was the best decision my company had made in a decade (concerning its platform, that is). We had been running XP SP1, I can't tell you the issues keeping those things on the network and free of infections we had. We were re-imaging two or three machines (at just my location) daily.
If your idea of IT is to run outdated and un-secure software for the rest of creation, switch to Linux at least. You were already coding support for proprietary devices, so don't tell me you couldn't live with this one more time. And then at least you'd have a secure kernel.
@RedRaider89: we've been saying why we like Windows 7 again and again in just these posts. Better kernel, more secure, easier to network. Just like I will tell you why I like Obama: already in his tenure, he has got more done than Bush in his 8 years. We have several key pieces of legislation introduced and aimed to pass, we may finally get equal rights in this country for all people, and at the very least this President doesn't make our country look like a jackass at every turn. Bush seemingly couldn't avoid doing that, what with his hillbilly drawl, his idiotic sensibilities and his ever-so present sense of moral superiority.
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[citation][nom]scryer_360[/nom]Just like I will tell you why I like Obama: already in his tenure, he has got more done than Bush in his 8 years. We have several key pieces of legislation introduced and aimed to pass, we may finally get equal rights in this country for all people, and at the very least this President doesn't make our country look like a jackass at every turn. Bush seemingly couldn't avoid doing that, what with his hillbilly drawl, his idiotic sensibilities and his ever-so present sense of moral superiority.[/citation]
I was going to +1 you up to that point. How is Obama contributing to equality?
I was going to +1 you up to that point. How is Obama contributing to equality?
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[citation][nom]Belardo[/nom]PCIe 3.0, SATA 3, USB 3 will work with XP as it will with Win7. Some have said "USB won't work in XP"... As I posted else where, Even the 1987 Amiga 2000 (7mhz / 1mb) computer can have a USB 2.0 card added or even a C= 128 can use an IDE HD.[/citation]
Wrong. Windows XP will support USB 3.0 with a hack. Same with SATA 3. Drivers are not being natively coded for those devices with XP in mind, as of right now its just Vista and Win7.
Of course, a company can pay their IT team any amount of money to code drivers and software for devices in XP, their choice. As you pointed out with your Amiga, some people even go bonkers and code in support for systems never imagined to run the newer hardware and software.
But that is the point of my arguments. If you are going to spend an eon coding your own support, might as well be running a Linux kernel and Open Office. Then you have NO licensing to pay for. Many corporate CEO's though read how Vista sucked somewhere and became convinced to keep running XP, no matter that they then fill their infrastructure with security issues. Plus, newer hardware doesn't natively run XP: I can't tell you how many people have brought me new laptops and desktops where they tried loading an XP edition only to find that the computer doesn't have SATA drivers for XP, and now they've bricked the unit and it needs a complete OS reload. Hence, companies have been coding their own drivers for newer hardware, unless they are buying laptops specifically designed for XP downgrade compatibility. For larger companies this is no problem, and they have an XP image on file. But I get no small number of small businesses that are resorting to cannibalizing older computers and for parts to fix their own old systems, so as not to have to worry about driver support. I've had a client bring me two units, one he paid $300 for just to get the motherboard from it because he couldn't find the same thing anywhere else and he needed it to fix his business PC. When I asked why he didn't just buy a new computer, it was because some specialized software he had would only run on XP, and as far as he could find, only on his machine with this inparticular motherboard. He'd tried others and never got full functionality: system crashes were commonplace. I asked him why he spent so much on such touchy software, but he had no clue that Accounting Software like he had purchased for Windows 98 and then had recoded for Windows XP was even available at retail.
A tour around my sales floor and an introduction to MS Office 2007 later, and he finally made the plunge for new hardware and software. It wasn't light, it cost him a little over $8500 (so I remember) for his whole business to go Windows Vista with Office 2007 small business. A week later his IT department (three guys) came in and yelled at me, saying that they couldn't go to XP and that I had misled this man. He was there, and after a good thirty minutes of back and forth, we finally discovered that his IT guys, although possessing degrees in computer science, weren't that up to date on software and hardware, and had been running Windows XP SP1 because they simply didn't want to troubleshoot any potential network issues that would arise from upgrading to SP2. SP3 was out of the question. He nearly fired them on the spot, but began shopping for a new IT department that same day.
He brought in one of his working XP SP1 machines and had us get some data from it. We did a virus scan as well in a portable executable enviroment, and lo-and-behold, Kaspersky alone found over 300 traces. Panda (we still used it back then) found over a thousand traces. Final straw was when we identified several key loggers.
This was all while he was running a corporate edition of Norton. There are some things that just can't be fixed, some security loopholes that won't be closed without adding your service packs. I don't know what happened to the guy, but I hope no one had gotten ahold of his businesses information.
Wrong. Windows XP will support USB 3.0 with a hack. Same with SATA 3. Drivers are not being natively coded for those devices with XP in mind, as of right now its just Vista and Win7.
Of course, a company can pay their IT team any amount of money to code drivers and software for devices in XP, their choice. As you pointed out with your Amiga, some people even go bonkers and code in support for systems never imagined to run the newer hardware and software.
But that is the point of my arguments. If you are going to spend an eon coding your own support, might as well be running a Linux kernel and Open Office. Then you have NO licensing to pay for. Many corporate CEO's though read how Vista sucked somewhere and became convinced to keep running XP, no matter that they then fill their infrastructure with security issues. Plus, newer hardware doesn't natively run XP: I can't tell you how many people have brought me new laptops and desktops where they tried loading an XP edition only to find that the computer doesn't have SATA drivers for XP, and now they've bricked the unit and it needs a complete OS reload. Hence, companies have been coding their own drivers for newer hardware, unless they are buying laptops specifically designed for XP downgrade compatibility. For larger companies this is no problem, and they have an XP image on file. But I get no small number of small businesses that are resorting to cannibalizing older computers and for parts to fix their own old systems, so as not to have to worry about driver support. I've had a client bring me two units, one he paid $300 for just to get the motherboard from it because he couldn't find the same thing anywhere else and he needed it to fix his business PC. When I asked why he didn't just buy a new computer, it was because some specialized software he had would only run on XP, and as far as he could find, only on his machine with this inparticular motherboard. He'd tried others and never got full functionality: system crashes were commonplace. I asked him why he spent so much on such touchy software, but he had no clue that Accounting Software like he had purchased for Windows 98 and then had recoded for Windows XP was even available at retail.
A tour around my sales floor and an introduction to MS Office 2007 later, and he finally made the plunge for new hardware and software. It wasn't light, it cost him a little over $8500 (so I remember) for his whole business to go Windows Vista with Office 2007 small business. A week later his IT department (three guys) came in and yelled at me, saying that they couldn't go to XP and that I had misled this man. He was there, and after a good thirty minutes of back and forth, we finally discovered that his IT guys, although possessing degrees in computer science, weren't that up to date on software and hardware, and had been running Windows XP SP1 because they simply didn't want to troubleshoot any potential network issues that would arise from upgrading to SP2. SP3 was out of the question. He nearly fired them on the spot, but began shopping for a new IT department that same day.
He brought in one of his working XP SP1 machines and had us get some data from it. We did a virus scan as well in a portable executable enviroment, and lo-and-behold, Kaspersky alone found over 300 traces. Panda (we still used it back then) found over a thousand traces. Final straw was when we identified several key loggers.
This was all while he was running a corporate edition of Norton. There are some things that just can't be fixed, some security loopholes that won't be closed without adding your service packs. I don't know what happened to the guy, but I hope no one had gotten ahold of his businesses information.
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[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]I was going to +1 you up to that point. How is Obama contributing to equality?[/citation]
He has been working for gay rights, recently federal employees have been granted more of their partners benefits. His main problem is repealing DOMA, which has been something he has been talking about since taking office. But, he doesn't just have to contend with Republicans here, there are Dems who don't want to offend some of their recently converted, more conservative voters in districts with a low gay population. Its been written about on Politico, Time and even in the Washington Post (a somewhat conservative news rag) that Obama aides and officials keep popping up around the hill, talking behind closed doors about the issue of repealing DOMA.
I don't like it, but repealling DOMA is going to probably come with lots of compromises and trade offs.
He has been working for gay rights, recently federal employees have been granted more of their partners benefits. His main problem is repealing DOMA, which has been something he has been talking about since taking office. But, he doesn't just have to contend with Republicans here, there are Dems who don't want to offend some of their recently converted, more conservative voters in districts with a low gay population. Its been written about on Politico, Time and even in the Washington Post (a somewhat conservative news rag) that Obama aides and officials keep popping up around the hill, talking behind closed doors about the issue of repealing DOMA.
I don't like it, but repealling DOMA is going to probably come with lots of compromises and trade offs.
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[citation][nom]scryer_360[/nom]He has been working for gay rights[/citation]
Unless he's pushing for federal laws, doesn't matter. Letting the states choose just allows them to show their prejudice.
[citation][nom]scryer_360[/nom]recently federal employees have been granted more of their partners benefits[/citation]
What does that have to do with equality?
[citation][nom]scryer_360[/nom]His main problem is repealing DOMA, which has been something he has been talking about since taking office. But, he doesn't just have to contend with Republicans here, there are Dems who don't want to offend some of their recently converted, more conservative voters in districts with a low gay population. Its been written about on Politico, Time and even in the Washington Post (a somewhat conservative news rag) that Obama aides and officials keep popping up around the hill, talking behind closed doors about the issue of repealing DOMA. I don't like it, but repealling DOMA is going to probably come with lots of compromises and trade offs.[/citation]
All you're talking about is rights based on sexual orientation. While I think repealing DOMA is great, there are still plenty of social issues that he isn't dealing with, not to mention those compromises are going to be the biggest issue.
Unless he's pushing for federal laws, doesn't matter. Letting the states choose just allows them to show their prejudice.
[citation][nom]scryer_360[/nom]recently federal employees have been granted more of their partners benefits[/citation]
What does that have to do with equality?
[citation][nom]scryer_360[/nom]His main problem is repealing DOMA, which has been something he has been talking about since taking office. But, he doesn't just have to contend with Republicans here, there are Dems who don't want to offend some of their recently converted, more conservative voters in districts with a low gay population. Its been written about on Politico, Time and even in the Washington Post (a somewhat conservative news rag) that Obama aides and officials keep popping up around the hill, talking behind closed doors about the issue of repealing DOMA. I don't like it, but repealling DOMA is going to probably come with lots of compromises and trade offs.[/citation]
All you're talking about is rights based on sexual orientation. While I think repealing DOMA is great, there are still plenty of social issues that he isn't dealing with, not to mention those compromises are going to be the biggest issue.
[citation][nom]JMS3096[/nom]I'm going for a -10 here.Anyone that stays with XP as a primary OS over 7 is an idiot. There is no software currently only for XP that would not work just fine in virtualization.[/citation]
My globalink software does not works in virtualization.
Also my Epson Stylus Color 600 does not works in Win7, and most 32bit XP shared network printers do NOT work on win7 64bit
My globalink software does not works in virtualization.
Also my Epson Stylus Color 600 does not works in Win7, and most 32bit XP shared network printers do NOT work on win7 64bit
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I think XP is honestly starting to be a bit old. Vista is very stable compared to what it used to be, I have not had a non provoked (excessive overclocking and such is provoking it) BSOD in about a year of using Vista, after SP1 it was stable and after SP2 there really are no problems. Security prompts are annoying, but for the most part able to be dealt with. Microsoft really should be pushing XP out fast, it's 8 years old, that is pretty old I would say. Almost anything that does not work with Vista or Windows 7 is becoming too old and should be replaced.
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This is why MS shouldn't have 3 different versions of their OS...
A small business owner sees an add at Best Buy for just the PC he wants at a great price. He buys it, it runs all of his apps just fine. He brings it to the office and sets it up on his desk, but wait... It's running Windows Vista Home and not Business. He can't connect it to his domain. Now, he has to buy a Vista Business or Ultimate upgrade which makes his new PC not such a great deal anymore. This happens to me all the friggen time.
Also, how did a discussion on Microsoft morph into gay rights?
A small business owner sees an add at Best Buy for just the PC he wants at a great price. He buys it, it runs all of his apps just fine. He brings it to the office and sets it up on his desk, but wait... It's running Windows Vista Home and not Business. He can't connect it to his domain. Now, he has to buy a Vista Business or Ultimate upgrade which makes his new PC not such a great deal anymore. This happens to me all the friggen time.
Also, how did a discussion on Microsoft morph into gay rights?
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[citation][nom]Computer_Lots[/nom]A small business owner sees an add at Best Buy for just the PC he wants at a great price. He buys it, it runs all of his apps just fine. He brings it to the office and sets it up on his desk, but wait... It's running Windows Vista Home and not Business. He can't connect it to his domain. Now, he has to buy a Vista Business or Ultimate upgrade which makes his new PC not such a great deal anymore.[/citation]
I would think a small bussiness owner wouldn't be able to stay in bussiness long if he doesn't have the skills to read what OS a PC would be running. Not to mention many OEMs have customization option, and often allow you to choose a different OS.
[citation][nom]Computer_Lots[/nom]Also, how did a discussion on Microsoft morph into gay rights?[/citation]
Considering only 2 people were involved in the discussion, and it was largely ignored by everyone else, I don't think that really counts.
I would think a small bussiness owner wouldn't be able to stay in bussiness long if he doesn't have the skills to read what OS a PC would be running. Not to mention many OEMs have customization option, and often allow you to choose a different OS.
[citation][nom]Computer_Lots[/nom]Also, how did a discussion on Microsoft morph into gay rights?[/citation]
Considering only 2 people were involved in the discussion, and it was largely ignored by everyone else, I don't think that really counts.
The company I work for has recently junked all Microsoft completely - in favour of LINUX. The change over to Linux has gone smoothly and all departments report very positive feedback from users. The positive feedback has been quite refreshing actually. FOR ONCE management has made a good decision and saved a fortune into the bargain!
i hate this windows 7. though there are a lot features but it's like it has side effects. can't install all the hard ware. printers, additional LAN cards, etc.. now it has affected my built-in LAN card. it ca't connect to the internet. both LAN cards now are useless. grrr....
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