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I think the cutoff dates on discontinued support should be anything before 7 as far as processors go. Anything before 2009 should be a good range.

However if said system already has 10 installed, nothing should happen.
 
And I don't believe that people will run to use Linux. It has not happened before and it will not happen in many years.
I really would like to see all games to run in Linux and all professional programs to be ported to Linux, but it is not happening. Linux has 1% of os market now. 1% it is even less than windows have in tablet and phone market and that is low! And windows has huge support by Microsoft and still it does not get all essential apps...
How can linux that it even smaller to get any decent programs when it is even smaller?
I really hope that Linux will become real alternative to Windows, I really do! It would make miracles to competition!
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???

Is this what people believe? The number of Linux developers is vastly superior to Windows and Microsoft has been unable to keep up. Who are these developers? They are primarily for-profit businesses but also include Non-profit Open Source enthusiasts and hobbyists.

Many corporations realized a long time ago that they could pool together their resources by contributing to open source software which leaves them with a less costly server implementation that contains their very own suited customizations for their specific needs that will also benefit others.

The Linux foundation releases a yearly document with statistics of who has contributed to the linux kernel over a period of time and which company they work for if any. The findings for this year finds that over 80% of developers that contributed code to the kernel were PAID for their work. The companies identified as contributors include: Intel at 10.5%, Samsung at 4.4%, IBM at 3.2%, Texas Instruments at 2.4%, Google at 2.1%, Oracle at 1.2%, AMD at 1.1%, Nvidia at 1.1%, Broadcom at 1%, ARM at 0.8%, Cisco at 0.7%, Qualcomm at 0.7%, Fujitsu at 0.7%, Imagination Technologies at 0.6%.

I cherry picked the most well known corporations from the list to demonstrate my point and each 1% represents 1,000 changes made to the kernel code. And you can bet these companies are also contributing to linux on the user space as well which is outside the kernel and not listed in the report.

There's a reason why none of the top 500 ranked super computers in the world run Windows as of a couple of months ago while 98.8% of them are running Linux. Linux is a more performant operating system in the networking and HPC fields.

An anonymous developer claiming to be a Windows kernel developer just a little over a year ago provided an explanation as to why Windows has not been getting the incremental performance improvements that Linux gets. The summary is that minor performance increment patches at Microsoft are viewed as an unnecessary financial/time suck. Each patch that say "increases the performance of directory traversal by a consistent 5 percent" has to be maintained and ensured not to cause bugs with any new updates which will require more developer man hours and is thus entirely avoided.
 
So Microsoft told AMD and Intel to physically remove support for the older OS? Last I checked, AMD and Intel are not owned by Microsoft. Intel owns the X86 architecture and they can continue to make it work with the older OS'.
 
so microsoft will let you upgrade your OS first from an old or exisiting computer, and they will tell you later, that updates require a new processor and hardware? Is this an organized crime?
 


You got it a little wrong there. New updates won't require new hardware because this announcement isn't about removing support for older hardware on Windows 10. Old hardware will still work with Windows 10. The announcement is saying that they won't be adding new hardware support to any Windows version prior to Windows 10. So revolutionary new processors from say 2017 or later may not work, or won't work efficiently, on Windows 8.1 and earlier.

 
I am happy to not deal with Microsoft anymore at home. I've switched to Linux Mint over two years ago and never looked back. I use Steam for games and they work just fine. I also use LibreOffice which is great replacement over Microsoft Office.

So you have choices. If you don't like Windows then either go with Mac or Linux. Quit complaining about it. Just do it. I did and never been happier.

 
Oh the cry of privacy .... dude you don`t have privacy while you`re online, not on Linux, not on MacOS not on Android or Windows. As soon as you get online your privacy is gone, the major websites will know where you`ve been, what you are looking for etc ...

And it gets funnier and funnier how people want more and more free stuff, somebody has to pay for the development of stuff, and how do you get that other than , you`ve guessed it !, ADS! ... and how do you get ads ? well .. by spying on the user! Also services like music selling , movies, games , apps also add for the development funds.

Short story is that if you want free, you have to give away something else :) And good luck sitting on your Linux. For now Linux is a mess with way to many distros for it`s own sake, you get different opinions between Linux owners themselves telling you to take one distro over the other.

Tried 4 distros myself on my laptop .. the most awful experience ever, personal use differs form user to user ! Short story is that Linux works slower on an Core i3 laptop with 4 GB ram than Windows 10 on a BayTrail Atom CPU with 2 GB ram (Acer i3 4 GB ram GTX 540 1GB video + Linux vs Asus Transformer T100TAF Atom 2 GB ram and Windows 10).
 
"According to Myerson, “Compared to Windows 7 PC’s, Skylake when combined with Windows 10, enables up to 30x better graphics and 3x the battery life – with the unmatched security of Credential Guard utilizing silicon supported virtualization.“

It is unbelievable how many lies this company is saying...what a bunch of <mod edit> this statement is. 30x better graphics and 3x the battery life? Is this guy Myerson a joke...I bet he is since his Windows 10 is utter garbage.
Here is what message hides here. Since dumb Microsoft didn't make a dent to Windows 7 Market share and Windows 10 is pretty much DOA, in fact doing worse than Windows 8...this is the last desperate attempt by those jokers...People just need to stick with Windows 7 to make Microsoft suck their own balls so they can actually release a proper operating system.
 
Read the EULA and don't confuse what they have implemented so far versus what the EULA allows them to do.

If you want to be tracked and your usage data sold, that's fine with me. But I choose not to see ads personalized or not. I can block google from tracking me (https://www.eff.org/privacybadger) , but you can't stop MS.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#2715e4857a0b3a8812562f4a

When MS sends me a check each month for using my PC, I will consider, but as I am the one paying for my internet service, I'm not letting anyone use my PS to help you get your downloads faster. As if MS had us in mind rather than their server and broadband cost when they implemented this.

MS is in the business of foisting upgrades on their consumers which benefit them instead of their customers. Win95 promised a quantum leap in computer speed and yet it was 40% slower than the OS it replaced (W4WGs). American Businesses averaged in-house cost of $2500-4500 for the upgrades in hardware, training, downtime, IT costs all so they could go slower.

Glad you haven't been affected by these updates and that's fine if you just use your PC for entertainment. Well that is unless you were an SLI user and had WU break SLI, ... yeah, you could fix it by installing the correct driver from nVidia, but then WU would recognize that you weren't "compliant" and just reinstall the broken MS version all over again... and again.

"Update and Shut Down" is no big deal except when you are paying your employees to sit there and do nothing. I have a business to run. I can't afford to have staff sitting around for 3 days when Windows Update shuts everyone down. With SP2 for WinXP thousands of CAD operators were left sitting at their workstations twiddling their thumbs because the update broke the AutoCAD licensing scheme and it took 3 days to get a fix

Or how about these "known issues"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841382
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2305420
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2612209/microsoft-windows/microsoft-botches-six-windows-patches-in-latest-automatic-update.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2608860/microsoft-windows/microsoft-yanks-botched-black-tuesday-patches-kb-2982791--kb-2970228--kb-2975719--.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2865819/operating-systems/microsofts-december-patch-hangover-kb-3008923-2553154-2726958-3004394.html

Or when it basically paralyzed business who used Quicken a week before April 15, 2008 ... and then again w/ TurboTax in 2012 where ya couldn't print out ya tax return

In August we had a nice triple shot for the Win10 crowd.

KB 3081424 on Aug. 05
KB 3081436 on Aug. 12
KB 3081438 on Aug. 15

Where is the harm in letting a user sit on those updates, read about any problems users might have had with particular hardware combinations before installing and holding off until those problems are resolved ?

If I need support MS charges $499 for an "instance", ho much can I charge MS when an update has my employees sitting idle ? In 2008 and 2012, we had to take responsibility for any fines imposed by the IRS for getting tax forms in after April 15, as we "elected" to install those updates, but when we have no choice, or unsavvy users don't know how to stop them, why shouldn't MS be responsible ?
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I hate to tell you but windows 7,8,8.1 have the same tracking features as 10 but you CANNOT shut them off.
After windows 10 was released update patches where pushed to 7,8,8.1 that has telemetry and track everything you do.

http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-spying-on-you.html?m=1
 
The conservitards are on full assault. Nothing to see here folks. Just continue using the older version of Windows until we are on Windows 3000 then dont complain that you cant get that new feature this or that or new fangled program to work. Only the conservitards fear this whole data gathering issue although they use android phones and such which do a million times worse.

Meanwhile the rest of the planet will move on and continue using Windows or whatever MS comes up with in the future.
 
I need to spend some time looking into Linux builds, I may have purchased my last copy of windows after having to force-ably remove the upgrade to windows 10 "feature".
 
When you buy a laptop/desktop ,it is supplied with windows 10 or windows 8.1 with upgrade to windows 10. You guys are talking about Linux possibilities, which are neat, but consumers don't have choice when they buy a new rig, it comes with microsoft OS. Of course, you can find some computers with alternate OSes, but that's not the majority of the mainstream computer industry, therefore Microsoft has still a monopoly with the OS on the consumers market.
I say it again, the only reason why I keep windows 10 is because i am a gamer. For productivity and work, I use linux or mac os, why? Because windows 10 is a slow OS with too much lag with the apps and background services that i could care for less.

 
This is the longest thread of conservative (verging on reactionary) PC-user rants that I've seen in a while.

Let's get a few things off the table just to begin with.

-Yes, this is early. Is it unusual? Not really. How many non-upgraded Linux distros support new CPU feature sets three-four years after launch? Not many, unless you force some sort of kernel update down its throat. In general, you upgrade your OS as new updates appear. If not, then everything still works (in general, outside of random bugs), but you miss out on new CPU-level features. Nothing new here. If Intel were to invent AVX 1024 for Kaby Lake, it sure as heck wouldn't be supported on an Ubuntu release from 2009. Why should Windows be any different?

-Is Microsoft being pushy and slightly dickish about getting people to upgrade to W10? Sure. But in general it's a good idea, as ~90% of their users are more or less clueless, and upgrading is nearly always better than not when it comes to safety, security, and saving your gear from obsolescence.

-Is W10 buggy, bloated and spying on you? That depends. I'm running W10 on my main PC, which is an Intel Core2Quad from 2008, running on an Asus X48 Rampage Formula, with 8GB of DDR2. And a Fury X, just to imbalance the crap out of it. It works beyond smoothly. I haven't seen any notable bugs since pretty early preview builds. And it runs just as smooth, if not smoother than W7. It also works very well (running preview builds) on my old ThinkPad X201, my HTPC (AMD A8-7600 on an A88X board) and my significant other's Yoga 2 Pro. YMMV. But in general, no, it's neither buggy or bloated. And for all of you that LOVE the Aero design enough to boycott W10 - I used to do that too. But W10 looks even better. Tastes vary, and change. Don't blame MS for not catering to your stagnated taste. That's on you. Also, minimalist design and simple customization like the new Start Menu are great usability features. And the new features (such as improved window tiling and separate desktops) really ought to cancel out any slight dislike for the design. W10 is fare more subtle than the bright monochromes of W8/8.1, with better transparencies and shading.

As for the spying: any modern OS should collect usage data for debugging and the like. This should of course be anonymized and encrypted, but it's a tool OS makers NEED. Then again, you should be able to turn it off. Completely, if that's what you want. It should be written out in plain text, and you should be told in a simple, easy to read prompt upon install/upgrade, not hidden in a wall of text. We can fault MS for this. But is it totally egregious? Not really. Google does this with Android. Apple with iOS (and probably Mac OS). As long as they treat your data properly, and don't abuse their insight, it's a net gain for users.

Also, giving out a free OS upgrade - for the last three versions, no less - is pretty huge. And a huge win for users with ageing W7 PCs that suddenly get an added 5-6-7 years of security patches with no performance loss or compatibility issues.
 
Bet everybody complaining here about security and Windows 10 don`t even realise what all the apps in their Android / iOS phones are asking for when installing. When a simple photo editing app asks for permission to access your location / adress book / phone book etc etc ... your face will fall off :)

For example : Facebook Messenger doesn`t even start / install if you don`t give it location permission :) But suddenly everybody pisses their pants over Windows, and most of the time they don`t even have a clue on what they are spying.

PS: MS clearly wants everybody on the new platform mostly for the App store that will bring revenue to the company, and also making it stay in trend with the times, OS like Win 7 are dying, only stubborn people don`t want to see this.
 
Wow - MS announces that they're doing the same thing that Apple & Google do with their OS'es, and the end of the world is nigh. How dare Apple not allow me to run iOS 5 on my 6s. Where's my downgrade rights to Gingerbread on my Nexus 5p.
 
Fantastic! Instead of making a product everyone WANTS to upgrade to, they are trying to force the upgrade. This will backfire. I have not upgraded any of my machines (8 total) to windows 10 exactly for that reason. Give me a product I WANT to upgrade to.
 
Fantastic! Instead of making a product everyone WANTS to upgrade to, they are trying to force the upgrade. This will backfire. I have not upgraded any of my machines (8 total) to windows 10 exactly for that reason. Give me a product I WANT to upgrade to.
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Have fun not being able to use the newest features from GPUs and CPUs, we'll let you know what you are missing.
 
This one of the most badly reported stories in recent history. If you look at the source the reason for this is beyond Microsoft's control. Intel and AMD don't want to produce Windows 7 drivers for new hardware. Microsoft cannot deliver full feature support with support from the hardware vendors.

If Intel decides they are done with Windows 7, that is the end of the road for new Windows 7 hardware.
 
Sounds like restraint of trade to me. Or a monopolistic entity contrary to the Sherman Anti-trust law. Or maybe just another way to kill off real computers and make everyone use toys like Surface.
 
The information that they limit the newest bells and whistles to the newest OS is not strange at all. That they screwed over a lot of customers that planned for their new processors to last them longer then 18 months.

Now to compare a entertainment device such as a phone to a production unit such as a computer. I for one could care less about how much my entertainment device track me. It hold nothing of value except perhaps phone numbers but those are backed up in both physical and digital form anyway.

I have found and removed all telemetry updates for windows 7 already.

If Windows 10 was a usable OS i would limit the telemetry to basic via the Group Policy editor in Windows 10 Professional Retail.

But so far Windows 10 has no benefit at all over windows 7 so i have exactly zero need to update.

I can fix their glaring GUI mistakes by using third party vendors. I can fix their retarded update idea by using a hardware firewall or WSUS.

I cant fix how the retarded OS uninstall programs on its own without user input or consent.

That alone is enough for me to never use the OS until a fix is developed for issues like that.
 
Seems to work for Apple. I bet most of the lake who responded were on iPhones. Windows is a amazing beast of an OS. I if strip away the hardware tweaking Apple gives and have that same tweaking to Windows it would destroy OS10 in everyway. I'm glad to see they are trying.

As far as pushing people to Linux... Thata just asking for even more hardware headache. Linux ha sits purpose and it's great but as the main OS on a standard user PC is much less productive. It doesn't do anything easier or better then Windows so why bother?
 
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