Microsoft Limits Support For Upcoming Processors To Windows 10

[Alec Mowat]

Of course they want people to upgrade. They waste a fortune patching operating systems they don't sell.

They wouldn't have to waste a fortune on patching if their OS wasn't 20GB in size and full of security holes.

Because you expect them to release an all-in-one operating system that never needs a patch?
Do you know how computers work?

 

[Alec Mowat]

Using the latest operating system with the latest processor?
Why on earth would I want to maximize performance?

People have weird attitudes toward MS. They do nothing wrong, yet everyone gets upset when they can't hang onto their old operating system forever. They really expected a life time warranty on their XP.

Are you serious ?

You are OK with MS using your internet service that you pay for as a torrent server to distribute Windows Update patches to other users ?

You are OK with giving MS unlimited access to the information on your computer ?

You are OK with MS force feeding updates which often break your system ?

If it is so great, why do you think only 1 in 11 users eligible of the great new "free" operating system have upgraded ?

I shop for a car or anything else and last year's model is always sold at a huge discount. Ever pull into a Ford Dealership and see the 2016 Mustang say for $36k and the same 2015 model for $51,000 ? If the operating system is so great, why the extra "tax" on Windows 7 and 8 licenses ? Why do they need to charge 40% more for the old outdated Win 7 to stop people from choosing it over Win10.

If it is so great, why do they need to disguise Upgrade to Win 10 routines inside Windows Update ?

Why did Samsung disable Windows Update on all their laptops before being threatened and forced to re-enable it ?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/25/windows-10-automatic-update-problems/#2715e4857a0b5928db2b6fb4
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/27/windows-10-automatic-update-security-problems/#2715e4857a0b63918e843d01
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/17/windows-10-forced-automatic-updates/#2715e4857a0b3f36078b696c
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/25/windows-10-automatic-update-problems/#2715e4857a0b35d647c46fb4
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/27/windows-10-automatic-update-security-problems/#2715e4857a0b10867f2943d0
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/13/windows-10-forced-updates-silent-changes/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix#2715e4857a0b20b967bd55e3
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/08/windows-10-spying-on-kids-surfing-details-for-parents/

Why can't we choose to avoid meltdowns like described here ?

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2889295/microsoft-windows/20-epic-microsoft-windows-auto-update-meltdowns.html

Honestly, I don't really care. As a long time internet/computer user, I am well versed that Online Security has always been an oxymoron.

Just... don't install Windows. It's not like you are forced too. The benefits still outweigh the negatives. I'd rather just get the new features and leave the older versions of Windows installed on my older computers. With VR and other hardware leaps coming, the only way for Microsoft to really improve their product is to specialize in the latest/greatest version. Data collection occurs on every product, Google is far worse for data collection than Microsoft.

Republicans are already calling for China style internet.

But NONE of that has anything to do with this article.

Patching OLD versions of an operating system that they do not sell anymore for current processors is just silly. They waste way to much money trying to push their ancient OS's to modern standards, it's better they just support one operating system at a time.

This is the future, get used to it.

Ever seen a Force Mustang with a 12 year warranty? The fact that Windows 7 still gets patched is well beyond what most products would support.
Does Activision still patch the last version of COD for the latest hardware? Hell no. People have these incredible expectations of Microsoft for some reason, holding the bar way above everything else around them. I think most of the people on here forget that Microsoft didn't manufacture their computer. They just provide an option to use it, just like Activision provides an option for gaming.

 

[Avus]

Ever seen a Force Mustang with a 12 year warranty? The fact that Windows 7 still gets patched is well beyond what most products would support.

Your example of using car is very wrong. Have you heard of auto recalls (or product recall in general)? Even if your Ford Mustang is 12 years old, if the discovery of safety issues or product defects that might endanger the consumer or put the maker/seller at risk of legal action, there will be a recall even if it already out of the warranty period.

Windows patches is exactly fixing its product defects. You better hope your Ford Mustang did not build like MS build Windows because Ford cannot fix your car over the Internet.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Read the EULA and don't confuse what they have implemented so far versus what the EULA allows them to do.

If you want to be tracked and your usage data sold, that's fine with me. But I choose not to see ads personalized or not. I can block google from tracking me (https://www.eff.org/privacybadger) , but you can't stop MS.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#2715e4857a0b3a8812562f4a

When MS sends me a check each month for using my PC, I will consider, but as I am the one paying for my internet service, I'm not letting anyone use my PS to help you get your downloads faster. As if MS had us in mind rather than their server and broadband cost when they implemented this.

MS is in the business of foisting upgrades on their consumers which benefit them instead of their customers. Win95 promised a quantum leap in computer speed and yet it was 40% slower than the OS it replaced (W4WGs). American Businesses averaged in-house cost of $2500-4500 for the upgrades in hardware, training, downtime, IT costs all so they could go slower.

Glad you haven't been affected by these updates and that's fine if you just use your PC for entertainment. Well that is unless you were an SLI user and had WU break SLI, ... yeah, you could fix it by installing the correct driver from nVidia, but then WU would recognize that you weren't "compliant" and just reinstall the broken MS version all over again... and again.

"Update and Shut Down" is no big deal except when you are paying your employees to sit there and do nothing. I have a business to run. I can't afford to have staff sitting around for 3 days when Windows Update shuts everyone down. With SP2 for WinXP thousands of CAD operators were left sitting at their workstations twiddling their thumbs because the update broke the AutoCAD licensing scheme and it took 3 days to get a fix

Or how about these "known issues"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841382
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2305420
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2612209/microsoft-windows/microsoft-botches-six-windows-patches-in-latest-automatic-update.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2608860/microsoft-windows/microsoft-yanks-botched-black-tuesday-patches-kb-2982791--kb-2970228--kb-2975719--.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2865819/operating-systems/microsofts-december-patch-hangover-kb-3008923-2553154-2726958-3004394.html

Or when it basically paralyzed business who used Quicken a week before April 15, 2008 ... and then again w/ TurboTax in 2012 where ya couldn't print out ya tax return

In August we had a nice triple shot for the Win10 crowd.

KB 3081424 on Aug. 05
KB 3081436 on Aug. 12
KB 3081438 on Aug. 15

Where is the harm in letting a user sit on those updates, read about any problems users might have had with particular hardware combinations before installing and holding off until those problems are resolved ?

If I need support MS charges $499 for an "instance", ho much can I charge MS when an update has my employees sitting idle ? In 2008 and 2012, we had to take responsibility for any fines imposed by the IRS for getting tax forms in after April 15, as we "elected" to install those updates, but when we have no choice, or unsavvy users don't know how to stop them, why shouldn't MS be responsible ?

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Ever seen a Force Mustang with a 12 year warranty? The fact that Windows 7 still gets patched is well beyond what most products would support.

Your example of using car is very wrong. Have you heard of auto recalls (or product recall in general)? Even if your Ford Mustang is 12 years old, if the discovery of safety issues or product defects that might endanger the consumer or put the maker/seller at risk of legal action, there will be a recall even if it already out of the warranty period.

Windows patches is exactly fixing its product defects. You better hope your Ford Mustang did not build like MS build Windows because Ford cannot fix your car over the Internet.

Pick any product you like in the entire world and show me where the older, yet equivalently featured model costs 40% more than the new one.

And yes that's exactly why the analogy fits, my 2005 Nissan Xterra just was fixed because of a product recall... little PLC thingie that controlled air / fuel mixture. It was fixed at their cost and expense. So by your argument, MS should pick up all costs if the repair. And Nissan didn't fix the car, the local shop down the road did.

Subject to legal action.... you mean like not filing your taxes on time because an April WU broke your tax program and you can't print out your tax forms and then being subject to applicable penalties under current laws for being late ?

Or how about when my cable box was bricked by a software update, the cable provider sent a technician here to repair it and credited me for lack of service while I couldn't use it ?

 

[scrote]

Hello Linux!

 

[alextheblue]

Read the EULA and don't confuse what they have implemented so far versus what the EULA allows them to do.

If you want to be tracked and your usage data sold, that's fine with me. But I choose not to see ads personalized or not. I can block google from tracking me (https://www.eff.org/privacybadger) , but you can't stop MS.

Glad you haven't been affected by these updates and that's fine if you just use your PC for entertainment. Well that is unless you were an SLI user and had WU break SLI, ... yeah, you could fix it by installing the correct driver from nVidia, but then WU would recognize that you weren't "compliant" and just reinstall the broken MS version all over again... and again.

Yeah... OK. Future actions based on what you think they're planning. Anyway if you use an Android device they're still collecting data. Ditto if you use a ChromeOS device, or Chromecast. They collect more than anyone else - the overwhelming majority of their revenue is from advertising. Regardless of whether or not you think you're seeing targeted ads, they're still selling the data they collect on you to ad firms and making money pushing ads. Others do this too, but this is their PRIMARY business. Their software is just a means to an end.

Regarding updates breaking things, I was talking about consumers. If you want to focus on business use, businesses should test and deploy however they see fit. If you use specialty software and aren't smart enough to image or otherwise have some method to rollback, you can disable update. Test out updates periodically (once a month? longer?) to make sure they work with your software. You could test in a VM with the same software load. Then you can even have the machines update off-hours. Lots of big companies seems to manage, somehow. They must use magic.

The "broken MS driver" SLI example would actually be an example of a broken Nvidia WHQL driver. You can install a newer beta driver directly from Nvidia. People do it all the time. But the blame you're levelling against MS would mostly be Nvidia's fault.

 

[koffeeshop77]

the problem i see with the whole statement\topic of windows NOT wanting to support older CPUs, and therefore only making you use MS with the latest version of CPU sounds like someone is losing money and is the tactic that they tried by, "giving away win10" and is that they are now being strong armed by the board and stock market members. Making MS make a change to Make people purchase and also run the newest version of microsoft windows, i take it at the latest they will wait for win 10sp1 and anyone who has bought a new cpu, gpu, or other hardware part simulare in the past will be charged a fee. something like get win10 for free but beware of the in-app purchase when you decide to get a new cpu.. (so now a k CPU cost you $399 + a windows 10 for 99$)
soon it will be a CPU with cooler and windows all n one, instead of just the cooler. this is just the thought of consumer os level.

there are ALOT of companies that use XP and WIN7 they will take years to transition to a later version of windows due to their own proprietary programs. They still use the latest xeon's and dell/toshiba h97 laptops and workstation but a "small scale company" say 5000 people sure as shit will not be told what to do, they will hire a person from india to re-program their stuff to a seller that will do what they want, as others mentioned already, linux, chrome OS, hell if my manager walked up tmw and said we are using mac win 7 boot camp from now on here's you mac, i wouldn't blink an eye...webos and cloud computing and then their "small company problem" problem becomes someone else's problem, prolly running on an IBM somewhere and windows will gain nothing.

as a side note i would also like to add that you have to buy hardware.
there is however always a work-around software, rather you , hack it, crack it, use warze, set the clock back,IP block, back it up (i have every windows version since 95 backed on a drive in a box call back ups lol).. there is always always a way around software, so i found\or others.
i don't need MS to have fun it has just been convenient, i can run a hackintosh too or chromebook with NV shield n apps or steam os, as i have found the only thing i use MS for is to BOOT up and press the chrome or steam button,everything else is about as useless as cortana or moldy bread whichever comes first.
let's see what else MS can do to disappoint... selling $150 copies of windows at least kept them honest. instead of tellin me some bullshit about how they are going to remotely make my PC explode if i don't buy a new pc and buy a new windows or else.

 

[bgunner]

Just another way for Microsoft to force you to buy a new operating system with each new build. First the Win 10 OEM only issue where you buy the operating system but it is only good on one motherboard now with every new build, averaging every 3-4 years, needs the newest Microsoft operating system?

Word of advice to Microsoft, take your hand out of the pockets of the ones feeding you before they cut your hand off by going somewhere else. Strong arm tactics get you a big "Piss Off" from customers.

 

[ravewulf]

First- I wonder if AMD/Intel will supply their own patches as suggested above. Second- I wonder if MS will be forced to create patches for enterprise and business customers that might be leaked. Third- Linux is still updated to support new architectures, right? I'm curious if someone could take those, examine previous CPU optimization patches for Windows, and create a new Windows patch. Yes it would probably be extremely difficult, yes it would probably violate the EULA, but where there is a demand for something...

 

[koffeeshop77]

does the eula expire after 20 years? could you like take 3.1 and build from that with out getting sued?
although as mentioned i think all of us update, break, fix, pc's as a hobby in one way or another and they have 3dmark on steam so i dont see a problem for as long as i can overclock and have fun, most of it is done in the bios and played in game anyway..

 

[Guest]

It's absolutely legitimate. The newer CPU and Chipset architectures have entirely different buses that will not be easy to implement and secure in older versions of windows.

You can still use them probably with drivers provided by the vendors, but Microsoft is just saying that it will not bother to support them at all from their side, meaning that if an update that breaks anything, they're not going to fix it.

 

[George Phillips]

This is very helpful in a commercial and business environment. This will actually help more companies move to Windows 10, the latest standard, to speed up more innovation in the more universally used platform.
That's how users can all benefit. Apple does it and users have much better experience and less headache. At Android's platforms, they are highly fragmented and many issues arise.

It's a win-win for Microsoft and Windows users.

 

[JWoody]

I Agree with Matt if I didnt play games id be Linux exclusive. Just because an OS dosent support a CPU dosent mean it wont work fine, its windows, you got x86? your good, dont belive the BS, you dont like 10? by all means go 7.

 

[ohim]

Microsoft announced that starting with Windows 10, it will provide software support only for the latest processors on the latest Windows platform. This will further push users to upgrade their OS in order to use the newest generation of processors.

Microsoft Limits Support For Upcoming Processors To Windows 10 : Read more

Oh, look, again a guy who cries about moving to Linux, well just do it and shut up. No need to come door to door and tell us. Also what stable ? Since Win 7 proper made computers don`t crash in any version be it 7 , 8 , 8.1 , 10.

MS is pushing people to Win 10 because they need everybody on this platform that "unifies" mobile with PC and they need apps to go with it, if you like it or not this is the trend nowdays. Linux as forever is still 1 step behind Mac OS or Windows.

It might be a great OS for sys admins and networks but for general users is not, this is why it still has very low market share.

Windows 10 from now on will be a service, they will updated it regularly... they need people to adopt it faster but like in the days of XP there will be guys that will sit on their Win 98 machines.

We live times that most of the IT traffic is done by mobile devices, the old ways of an OS is slowly going out the door and MS needs to reinvent the OS / company, they are on the right path with the first iteration of Continuum on phones, maybe soon we will see x86 phones capable of running full Win 10 and not a mobile version.

If they would stay at Win 7 level MS will slowly sink, it`s just like Blockbuster vs Netflix !You have to adapt your business but like always there will be guys like the ones here that will complain about it. Grow up.

 

[edward_23]

microsoft just basically kill all FPP product. Going forward there no reason to buy full retail product from microsoft anymore. Just buy OEM version..

 

[mrmotion]

You guys all talk of strong arm tactics and to us, it is.

But the overwhelming rest of the world isn't going to give a shit.

There is a lot of talk about going to linux when the library gets better. Well when steam runs their polls and linux is still in the sub 10% category of OS, what makes you think they see a reason to move more games over? Get on board or stop talking about it.

 

[sam1275tom]

I tried windows 10 and suffer for weeks, then back to win 7, when win 7 dies, clearly I'll go linux or BSD

 

[somebodyspecial]

So basically their admitting they'll be sabotaging all new tech in their old OS on purpose so you'll be forced into win10 etc if you want new hardware. They can't seem to get enough of us to bite even at a FREE copy of win10 (since only fools like to be monitored ALL FREAKING day and reported on to MSFT), as it is adopted less than win7 was at this point in it's life, so now they're trying everything they can to FORCE us there. Even changing updates/upgrades on small businesses. Much of the current people on it went accidentally, and many are working there way back to 7...LOL.

I'm wondering if they can use the same policy for Enterprise, or this just covers home/small business copies? I'm thinking Enterprise users will have something to say about this, as they regularly keep buying PC's and rolling them out with whatever version of OS they are pushing for a business cycle (IE, win7 seconds after a win10 PC comes in the door). Most enterprise users won't like being told to run a house of 1/2 win7 and 1/2 win10 when they have no intention of running it if they just went to win7 not long ago and plan on staying there for another 3-4 years. Enterprise is supported until Jan 2020 for win7 (well all are for extended users). Most of those won't want to look at changing until sometime in 2018 (we're talking prep here too, not actually doing it, just test pc's of whatever hits 2017, and hits with a sp1 or something). Roll-outs would be in 2019. Lets face it, enterprise has no need for win10 and a billion support calls to teach users how to use it. For a single home user it may not be that big of a deal, but for IT with 1000-10,000 PC's (more, OMG), heck no. Your IT dept wouldn't get much work done for 6-12 months...ROFL. As an example look at server 2003 and MSFT making the cert a LIFETIME cert...LOL. Big business runs like a titanic in most cases, and usually is quite difficult to make them turn the ship on a dime (how many times was XP extended for them?). I don't think MSFT will win this battle.

 

[Camikazi]

if i'm intel and amd i'm already pointing a crew at making these cpu drivers in house to distribute with new cpu purchases. would be a nice nod to the consumer that they won't be bullied by MS nor allow their customers to be bullied either. should not be too hard to put them together for the older os's.

Intel is backing MS on this and why does this bother you? They are not stopping you from installing Win 7 on a new CPU they are just making so if there is a new feature it won't work on Win 7. Kind of like Direct X 12 is Windows 10 only and 11 was Win 8 only and 10 was Win 7 only. MS has been doing this for years it is nothing new and it is to try and keep everyone on a somewhat similar OS level.

 

[hagjohn]

I have to laugh at some of the knee jerk responses. If the OS is out of support, then I don't see an issue with this.

 

[ohim]

So basically their admitting they'll be sabotaging all new tech in their old OS on purpose so you'll be forced into win10 etc if you want new hardware. They can't seem to get enough of us to bite even at a FREE copy of win10 (since only fools like to be monitored ALL FREAKING day and reported on to MSFT), as it is adopted less than win7 was at this point in it's life, so now they're trying everything they can to FORCE us there. Even changing updates/upgrades on small businesses. Much of the current people on it went accidentally, and many are working there way back to 7...LOL.

I'm wondering if they can use the same policy for Enterprise, or this just covers home/small business copies? I'm thinking Enterprise users will have something to say about this, as they regularly keep buying PC's and rolling them out with whatever version of OS they are pushing for a business cycle (IE, win7 seconds after a win10 PC comes in the door). Most enterprise users won't like being told to run a house of 1/2 win7 and 1/2 win10 when they have no intention of running it if they just went to win7 not long ago and plan on staying there for another 3-4 years. Enterprise is supported until Jan 2020 for win7 (well all are for extended users). Most of those won't want to look at changing until sometime in 2018 (we're talking prep here too, not actually doing it, just test pc's of whatever hits 2017, and hits with a sp1 or something). Roll-outs would be in 2019. Lets face it, enterprise has no need for win10 and a billion support calls to teach users how to use it. For a single home user it may not be that big of a deal, but for IT with 1000-10,000 PC's (more, OMG), heck no. Your IT dept wouldn't get much work done for 6-12 months...ROFL. As an example look at server 2003 and MSFT making the cert a LIFETIME cert...LOL. Big business runs like a titanic in most cases, and usually is quite difficult to make them turn the ship on a dime (how many times was XP extended for them?). I don't think MSFT will win this battle.

You do realised that you complain that Windows 98 doesn`t support Skylake and other new hardware , do you ? Keep up with the times, it`s called evolution, they will stop wasting resources on old software, it`s been done since the dawn of computers.

Be happy that is not Android to have a lifespan of 2 years or less on your stuff.

 

[tical2399]

MS is just pushing more people to Linux. I upgraded to Win 10 on both my home desktop and my work laptop. I am thoroughly unimpressed. Does it work? Yes it does. Is it more stable then Win 7, which was my previous platform? No it is not. Do I like feeling that I am paying to be forced into a walled garden? No I do not. I will build a new gaming box this year if all goes well. Will have Win 10 with ever possible call home setting turned off. For serious work, I rely on Linux these days. Not dealing with MS strong arm tactics when I don't have to. When the games I play work as well on Linux as they do on Windows, I'll be outta there.

MS is just pushing more people to Linux. I upgraded to Win 10 on both my home desktop and my work laptop. I am thoroughly unimpressed. Does it work? Yes it does. Is it more stable then Win 7, which was my previous platform? No it is not. Do I like feeling that I am paying to be forced into a walled garden? No I do not. I will build a new gaming box this year if all goes well. Will have Win 10 with ever possible call home setting turned off. For serious work, I rely on Linux these days. Not dealing with MS strong arm tactics when I don't have to. When the games I play work as well on Linux as they do on Windows, I'll be outta there.

Well dont let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. We all know aint nobody going to linux so i wish people would stop with that idle (and lame threat). Unless you're a business that has a special software that doesnt work windows 10, there is no reason for anyone NOT to be on W10. It works great, has no stability issues, i've seen, games and software work fine. If people so determined to use old tech, you dont get to cry when you get left behind. I just hope they dont punk out and change their minds like they did when they allowed the stubborn dinosaurs the ability to use the xbone wireless controller on 8.1 and 7. That was a weak move.

 

[junkeymonkey]

thing is all I see Microsoft offers is ease of gaming .. that's about it anymore Linux covers the rest better and you can do gaming on it as well just not as plug and play one click installing ..

you know way back when uefi bios started this was a concern about how venders can use to dictate how and what hardware you can use on there products and guys who brought that up were bashed and laughed at ridiculed just like you see here , now look whats going on today

thing with Linux you still have a free open base platform not one that's proprietary as you see coming from this article .. you will now do as they want not as you want [opinion]

heck look at intel and there skylake cpu support and then look at a z97/87 ? how limited you are now with it ?

 

[Alec Mowat]

If you want to be tracked and your usage data sold, that's fine with me. But I choose not to see ads personalized or not. I can block google from tracking me (https://www.eff.org/privacybadger) , but you can't stop MS.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#2715e4857a0b3a8812562f4a

When MS sends me a check each month for using my PC, I will consider, but as I am the one paying for my internet service, I'm not letting anyone use my PS to help you get your downloads faster. As if MS had us in mind rather than their server and broadband cost when they implemented this.

Google tracks everything you do, from creating an account, the IP your search comes from, what results you click on, how long you stay on the page. Not to mention Google Analytics installed on countless websites. They can tell if you are using a VPN or a Proxxy.

You can't get around being tracked online, and you are a fool if you think the blocking software isn't tracking you as well.


MS has never had us in mind, ever. Bill Gates wanted to close the market and force everyone onto Windows, that was his plan. Ubuntu is really not much better when it comes to tracking or pushing ads, and Steam OS is basically just an advertisement, uses unencypted texting for the steam chat (long known issue) and basically just collects gameplay data.

Everything collects your data. Everything. Nothing on the internet is secure, get over it. Stop pretending security exists. The Governments will pass laws and tear down https if they want too. People download and install botnets and spyware all the time, without reading the EULA anyway.

This is how Facebook works, this is how Google works, this is how Apple works. There are so many flavours of Linux, with next to no support compared to WIndows, that it's not really a viable alternative.
Microsoft pays people with money, to make their operating system functional. They work with vendors and maintain standards. Linux does not. That's why Capitalism works.