Microsoft: Mac OS X Did NOT Inspire Windows 7

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"...but [W7 is] built on that very stable core Vista technology..."

Joke of the day?

Its bad enough admitting you are trying to be like your competition, but also admitting your fancy new OS is based on your previous garbage OS?

Keep your mouth shut in future.
 
[citation][nom]gbismack[/nom]Its a lie to say that Mac OS X hasn't influenced Windows, just as much as it is a lie to say that Windows hasn't influenced OS X. They're competitors and they do take note of what each other are doing. They may not have intentionally influenced each other, but I would doubt that. Its business, its competition.[/citation]

Yea this is true to a point. But Windows 7 was truly a more Windows user based feedback. It had multiple betas and RCs which allowed for not only MSDN subscribers but also people who use Windows the the fullest to really give feedback.

And its true for Apple because Mac OS was originally designed by Microsoft for Apple......
 
[citation][nom]tester24[/nom]If you call the I'm a Mac I'm a PC ads with the baby music in the background good marketing then that's sad. I doubt it made many people switch and really it ownly appealed to their fanbase. Meanwhile people looked at the price of one of their systems and turned around and bought a PC hence the laptop hunters comercial.[/citation]
For those of us that know computers then it doesn't mean anything. But keep in mind that Apple has always targeted the "everyday Joe" with their products, and same with their ads. They actually have truth in them, if very skewed.

But the television ads are not the only marketing that they employ anyway. Their marketing team has done a phenomenal job of painting Apple as a luxury, high class product. But what really speaks "success" about their marketing is the fact that probably 90% of the Mac users that I've ever come in contact with bought the party line completely. When your users are evangelizing as hard as the marketing team, using the same marketing slogans such as "It just works!", then that's a successful ad campaign.

The only reason the current run of "I'm a Mac." "And I'm a PC." ads are getting tired is because they've been running for years and have gotten old. I thought that they were actually pretty clever when they first started running. Now they just annoy me.

But even still, at their worst, they are still much better than Microsoft's best. Bing and the "if you can find it, you can keep it" ads were Microsoft's best, but they have been long overshadowed by such disasters as the Jerry Seinfeld ones and previously, nearly non-existent marketing efforts.
 
They're right. Windows 7 was not inspired by OSX. Windows VISTA was inspired by OSX and windows 7 was taking the good elements of Windows VISTA and removing the bad elements
 
It's standard operating practice to deny everything, so this is not unexpected, even if the employee was telling the truth.

[citation][nom]pepperman[/nom]MICROFT Office anybody? HALO franchise? Need I go on?[/citation]
When did an office suite or a first person shooter become a Microsoft innovation?

[citation][nom]sidran32[/nom]My firm belief of why Microsoft is so successful, though, is twofold: excellent business management and catering like mad to developers.[/citation]
Microsoft's developer support is unmatched, that's for sure.
 
Why do people keep saying both were influenced by Linux? None of the window managers in current 'big' distributions have the look or feel of either.

Regardless, Linux is not a GUI, it is a kernel. The graphical interfaces for stuff like xorg and x11 were borrowed from Afterstep and other ancient works that were great for their day, but unless someone is dressing up their desktop for a screen shot, they don't really hold up to Windows 7 or OSX's consistent appearance.
 
[citation][nom]redgarl[/nom]Copycat Microsoft telling us they don't copy anything... NATAL is a completely new way of using a camera to play games... The eye toy and the gameboy camera have nothing in common with it...Seriously... who's buying this???!!![/citation]
Exactly right and the MS fanboys are coming out to protect the convicted monopolist because your post is getting hit with thumbs down, idiot MS fanboys at their finest.
 
Spoofed packet: Epic fail post, when people say Linux,they are referring to an operating system, not a kernel. Apple stole the BSD kernel, and have copied code from GNU and KDE, not to mention the App Store was stolen from various GNU/Linux package managers, so obviously they were influenced. All of the Vista and OSX effects like Alt + Tab 3d stuff was blatantly stolen from compiz/beryl, all of the little desktop gadgets were stolen from Linux... Maybe Windows 8 and OSX flamingly ghey bobcat will finally feature the full-on desktop cube 3d insanity that Linux has had for years, yet the ignorant masses will argue over whether Apple or Microsoft invented it.
 
*...Oh yeah, - RIGHT!*
Listen, MS, quit harping BS. It's been good being your customer. I'm happy. I'm very much in favor of good ideas being copied. All good ideas.
I've been buying your versions of Apple Mac (meaning Windows) for ages now. I'm happy. I'll continue to do it as long as you get it right. And for the simple reason that I'm completely clear about my choice, I'm also completely immune to Apple commercials that label you copyists. I'll just continue to buy Windows.
 
[citation][nom]OS_und3rground[/nom]Spoofed packet: Epic fail post, when people say Linux,they are referring to an operating system, not a kernel.[/citation]

Well, that is pretty ignorant. If you are an actual enthusiast of open source, you should be well aware that calling Linux an OS is incorrect. Slackware, Ubuntu, Debian, TinyLinux, etc are operating systems. You can say "I run Linux" and that is correct, but "I run the Linux OS" is not. Got it? Probably not since your babbling only consists of events in the past couple of years and do not contain any roots where things originated.

I am also well aware of the history of borrowed code. But I was speaking directly to the "look and feel", otherwise I would not have used that phrase. For instance, you cite KDE. I guess you weren't around yet when that was a new window manager for X. It went to great lengths to look like Windows 95 for the sole purpose of being easier for Windows users to use. It was also considered a massive pile of bloat for most sysadmins at the time. It eventually evolved into something nice, but that's the goal with any of these projects, right?

Desktop 'gadgets' predate both linux and xorg. They began with NeXTSTEP, which is what AfterStep is based on and date all the way back to the late 80s.

Sure, Beryl was the first fully 3D desktop (as in 3D accelerated), but it was such a steaming pile for the first few years in regards to stability. It is also has zero to do with Linux. I was running it on FreeBSD. It is just another open source graphical layer for x/xorg that will run on top of a number of kernels. Just so you know, its themeing and 'feel' was borrowed heavily from Enlightenment, which was the first window manager to really have a modern look; albeit slow at the time and not 3D, it had many beautifully done themes. Also do keep in mind the idea of a 3D accerated desktop had been around long before Beryl, it was just not a very good idea considering the hardware of the era and most X11 users were still sitting in front of 21" CRTs @ 1600x1200 with video that was not able to cleanly render a desktop in opengl at that resolution without investing a grand into professional a video card.
 
SpoofedPacket: The operating system is called GNU/Linux(or Linux for short). The combination of GNU/Linux and the desktop/window manager, and whatever else, is called a distribution. OSX is a mangled clusterfuck of various "legal to steal and make closed source" BSD variants(that borrow from Linux), as well as some "unofficially stolen" CairoDock, GNU and KDE. Every part of Vista/Win7 that doesn't resemble Windows95-style OS in some way was stolen from Linux. Why steal from OSX, when you can cut out the middle man, and just "borrow ideas" from the same source-code that OSX "borrowed" their ideas from?
 
[citation][nom]WheelsOfConfusion[/nom]Well of COURSE MS didn't look to OS X when designing 7! They did that for Vista, and 7 was just cleaning it up a bit.[/citation]

please, give one simple example.
thank you !
 
[citation][nom]sidran32[/nom]If you haven't noticed, Microsoft fails epicly at marketing. Apple has them beat in that regard. My firm belief of why Microsoft is so successful, though, is twofold: excellent business management and catering like mad to developers. If you can get a massive developer base for your platform, it will succeed. I've coded on Macs, Windows, DOS, and Linux. By FAR, on DOS and especially Windows, the developer tools, like Visual Studio, and library support, has been phenomenal. It's so easy to develop on Windows compared to Linux that it actually feels like I'm cheating.[/citationij
Like many huge corporations, Microsoft excels at being big. Big means you can starve out your competitors, or buy them out. Microsoft, as another poster said, is epically bad at marketing. It doesn't matter. Every turd they produce, less smelly than the last, sells like hotcakes because there is little choice. Apparently supporting your developers help third party software since there's tons of good stuff, but that's just another example of how big=successful, not big=good. It's like American car companies supporting repair shops, paint shops, upholstery shops, etc. Wow, it's so easy to repair this car, I just love it! And the crappy paint it came with is so easy to strip off and replace with better paint. I love how the look and feel of this device is so easily altered and improved! And now, in 2009 we finally have a decent American car and a decent Microsoft OS. Windows 7 is the 2010 Chevy Malibu or Ford Fusion.
 
[citation][nom]sidran32[/nom]These arguments amuse me. People seem to forget Mac pre-OSX. At the time, with the Windows 3 days, Microsoft introduced the concept of minimizing and had proper maximization/restore functions on windows. Mac had rollup and some half broken max/restore thing. At the time, whenever I used Macs (and I still loved them at the time) I found myself looking for minimize. Window management then was horrible. But when OSX came out with the doc, it clearly borrowed ideas from Win 95. The minimize, max/restore, close buttons matched the Windows equivalents, and you could minimize to the dock, finally! For us used to Windows, this was a godsend, finally they implemented this too! It made Macs more pleasant to use. Composite desktops did come first in Linux/Mac, but like the GUI, I consider that an eventual technological advancement anyway, so claiming anyone owns that is silly.[/citation]

It would be silly, if we would not live in the world of registered patents.
 
[citation][nom]WheelsOfConfusion[/nom]Well of COURSE MS didn't look to OS X when designing 7! They did that for Vista, and 7 was just cleaning it up a bit.[/citation]
Ha ha ah! +1
 
[citation][nom]L337_L1nl_lx_usR[/nom]SpoofedPacket: The operating system is called GNU/Linux(or Linux for short).[/citation]
Actually, both are correct when the term "Linux" is used rather than "GNU/Linux". "Linux" can refer to the kernel or the operating system, and sometimes the distributions as well (although the latter is so broad that it's not really considered canon). Torvalds calls it "Linux", Stallman calls it "GNU/Linux," the community calls it whatever they want.
 
[citation][nom]jawshoeaw[/nom][citation][nom]sidran32[/nom]If you haven't noticed, Microsoft fails epicly at marketing. Apple has them beat in that regard. My firm belief of why Microsoft is so successful, though, is twofold: excellent business management and catering like mad to developers. If you can get a massive developer base for your platform, it will succeed. I've coded on Macs, Windows, DOS, and Linux. By FAR, on DOS and especially Windows, the developer tools, like Visual Studio, and library support, has been phenomenal. It's so easy to develop on Windows compared to Linux that it actually feels like I'm cheating.[/citationij

Like many huge corporations, Microsoft excels at being big. Big means you can starve out your competitors, or buy them out. Microsoft, as another poster said, is epically bad at marketing. It doesn't matter. Every turd they produce, less smelly than the last, sells like hotcakes because there is little choice. Apparently supporting your developers help third party software since there's tons of good stuff, but that's just another example of how big=successful, not big=good. It's like American car companies supporting repair shops, paint shops, upholstery shops, etc. Wow, it's so easy to repair this car, I just love it! And the crappy paint it came with is so easy to strip off and replace with better paint. I love how the look and feel of this device is so easily altered and improved! And now, in 2009 we finally have a decent American car and a decent Microsoft OS. Windows 7 is the 2010 Chevy Malibu or Ford Fusion.[/citation]

Then would Apples business model is to patent and sue? Other than that I would agree with almost everything that you posted, mainly the fact that if a company keeps producing "crap" they wouldn't be in business much longer.
 
micro$uxx copied the Macintosh interface from day one, why would it suddenly be only vi$hta sp2+lipstick (aka $even), to be "inspired" from the rotten fruit?
m$ firstly released $w for the Mac, and had full access to the Mac development (early prototypes, and code) way before windblow$ 1.0.
[citation][nom]pepperman[/nom]MICROFT Office anybody? HALO franchise? Need I go on?[/citation]
Excel (an underdog to Lotus 1-2-3, and earlier named Multiplan on CP/M, and even Mac, a VisiCalc clone) was firstly released on the Macintosh, Word on Xenix (and even Mac, before any windblow$ version, an underdog to WordPerfect), and Powerpoint (aka Presentation on the Mac) was simply bought. Halo was developed by Bungie for the Mac, and bought altogether by micro$uxx. Really innovative...
Yes, please go on!

Suddenly, after the windblow$ (GUI on DOS) market $ucce$$ (PC was practically the only cheap mass-market platform available) in the early 90ies, all m$ competitors had "difficulties" to release performing updated versions - any monopolistic behavior and disloyal competition (advantages for own $w, due to undocumented o$ "features") is, of course, "excluded".
[citation][nom]jellico[/nom]Spare us your self-righteous indignation. Apple has been accusing Microsoft of copying them for a long time. They even tried to sue Microsoft after they released their first version of Windows claiming it was a blatant rip-off of the "look and feel" of the Mac. However, the case was tossed when the judge saw evidence indicating that both Gates and Jobs borrowed heavily from technology developed by Xerox's PARC labs.[/citation]
Apple didn't sue m$ after windoze 1.0, they were too much intertwined due to m$'s $w offering for the Mac, and apple even licensed Mac GUI elements to m$ for windblow$ 1.x only (at least that was the intention), in exchange for not releasing Excel and Word on other platforms for two years.
Windblow$ 1.0, beeing a big flop (even then m$ o$s sucked), apple didn't bothered, but sued after the release of 2.0. Due to Apple's earlier licensing slip, the judge ruled in m$'s favor. So m$ copied the Mac GUI, but was "legally" allowed to...
Apple licensed the GUI from Xerox for $100 million in Apple stock, so cut the crap.
[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]And its true for Apple because Mac OS was originally designed by Microsoft for Apple......[/citation]
Hey, what are you smoking? Seems to be good $hit...
 
Why shouldn't they take good elements from other operating systems and adapt them into 7? I think if something is good it should be implemented. Users have been calling ms for changes for years, now they finally listen, and all they get is talkback for it. Same with intel/amd. Technology keeps pushing forward on ideas. One company pulls another forward. Good job MS
 
[citation][nom]NightLight[/nom]Why shouldn't they take good elements from other operating systems and adapt them into 7?[/citation]

There isn't. You've just got a mix of Linux, OSX, and XP fanbois coming in here who only know a short history of what hits headlines trying to poo poo on anything and everything Windows 7.

I agree, I am just happy computing isn't done at a command line nowadays and anything to make it better is fine in my book.
 
FLAME ON!

=p innovation generally goes to common things good things are copied hell commonly they are invented along side each other. At the base Mac is nothing like Windows vice versa looks UI those things are so commonly copied off each other no matter how much one company would like to hold on to a logical layout.

Just like browsers just try to follow who copied who and most likely it will be FF and IE coping off of Opera or basically not getting an idea out fast enough.

Microsoft may get stupid at times but they aren't daf and blind they take note of common things their users like to do.

So who cares of who does what first all i care about is who does it the best.
 
[citation][nom]IzzyCraft[/nom]So who cares of who does what first all i care about is who does it the best.[/citation]
What do you define as "best"? IMO, "best" is subjective and only based on what you've used. I think everything can be put into one of three broad categories:

1) Things you prefer over everything else (the "best")
2) Things that doesn't fit in 1)
3) Things you haven't even used.

For alot of people, OSX and Macs will fall into 3), yet they will still bash them as though their opinion has weight. I can't stand OSX 10.4.x, so for me it fits into 2), however I haven't used anything newer, and therefore I will not automatically classify it as 2), while many unfortunately would.
 
this is stupid, He says the only thing thats good about Mac OS is how good it looks, well now we have made Windows look as good as it does. what? is Microsoft some how under the impression that XP looks as good as OSX?? I don't see what the problem is?
 
The first iPhone was released in 1998 by InfoGear Technology Corporation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_iPhone

Just because Apple did it it doesn't mean they invented it. Here's some more oozing ideas that Apple stole.

"The iPhone was an innovative internet appliance that featured a flip-lid keyboard and an LCD touchscreen that accessed an embedded web browser and an email client."

Yep ... Apple didn't invent the iPhone.

[citation][nom]gmcboot[/nom]Yeah.. like they Copied SQL Server From Apple, Exchange, IIS, IE, everything was created by Apple and everyone else just copies. Well here is my question, how come apple control no market other than the MP3 player and that is debatable. If they are the only ones with ideas, then they should rule the electronic world. They don't, sadly they only rule self deluded snobs who cannot understand how a computer works so Apple protects them from it. Please....[/citation]

 
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