Microsoft Releases Windows 10 Build 14942: Increases RAM Usage

[alidan]

thank god i stuck to windows 7, for some reason my computer becomes completely unstable and will black screen crash at 150 processes open, if windows makes a new process for each, i literally could do nothing.

 

[bit_user]

for some reason my computer becomes completely unstable and will black screen crash at 150 processes open, if windows makes a new process for each, i literally could do nothing.

Try running memtest?

 

[alidan]

for some reason my computer becomes completely unstable and will black screen crash at 150 processes open, if windows makes a new process for each, i literally could do nothing.

Try running memtest?

already have, back when i had 4gb, 8gb and when i moved to 16gb, everything is fine there.
Its just after 150 processes are open my computer will randomly shut down with a black screen.
You have no idea how long it too me to narrow down the processes was the cause.

Hell, I had chrome open every single tab in its own process for a reason, its easier to close single tabs and get the resources back then it is to try and close down the clusters but for some reason that broke and its been clustering the tabs into single processes again, and sadly I can't find the way to make it stop doing that crap again.

you have any idea why system stability is tied to processes i'm all ears, would love to know why this happens.

 

[bit_user]

Try running memtest?

already have, back when i had 4gb, 8gb and when i moved to 16gb, everything is fine there.

I admit it's a pretty wild guess. Anyway, RAM does go bad with age/use. So, even if you ran it before, it wouldn't hurt to try it again.

Other than that, I have no clue. Do you have any sort of anti-virus installed? Perhaps it's a bug in that, since I think it hooks into the OS at a pretty low level.

 

[TMTOWTSAC]

for some reason my computer becomes completely unstable and will black screen crash at 150 processes open, if windows makes a new process for each, i literally could do nothing.

Try running memtest?

already have, back when i had 4gb, 8gb and when i moved to 16gb, everything is fine there.
Its just after 150 processes are open my computer will randomly shut down with a black screen.
You have no idea how long it too me to narrow down the processes was the cause.

Hell, I had chrome open every single tab in its own process for a reason, its easier to close single tabs and get the resources back then it is to try and close down the clusters but for some reason that broke and its been clustering the tabs into single processes again, and sadly I can't find the way to make it stop doing that crap again.

you have any idea why system stability is tied to processes i'm all ears, would love to know why this happens.

This may not be the problem, but it could be similar. I remember reading about a fairly esoteric bug regarding windows event logs in one of the windows update kb's. Basically, it was generating events every time a process opened to the point where it crashed the event viewer. That in turn took the system down, which meant it could happen on any process. The process itself was innocent, it was just overflowing the log due to some misconfiguration that generated too many events.

That also reminds me of an older problem with svchost.exe, the plethora of malware that used to try to hide by calling itself svchost.exe.

 

[Puiucs]

@HST101ROX
you can already officially enable NTFS long paths in the group policy editor: Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Filesystem > NTFS (windows 10 only)
the only reason why it's not enabled by default yet is for compatibility reasons, but 99% of the software made in the past 10 years should work just fine.

you can also enable services to use svchost with some registry tweaks, but i doubt that even 4GB systems will need it. we should only be talking about sub 100MB difference in most systems (unless you have a lot of services enabled and new ones installed).

 

[PallindroneT3604]

While I realize that tech has evolved so much, but I'm curious as to how ReadyBoost might be effective with PCs/laptops that have 3GBs or lower of RAM-----since the RAM usage will increase......especially in 32-bit flavors of Windows 10..........

 

[3ogdy]

Windows should use all the RAM. There's no point for unused RAM. I didn't buy 32 GB for it to sit free.

If you bought the 32GB of RAM "so that your computer can run lightning fast", let me break it down for ya: unused RAM is nothing but that. It won't make your PC any faster.

I for one bought 32GB of RAM because tons of tabs in a browser called Chrome, which to this day still can't just leave tabs alone at startup, because too many apps running across three screens, because rendering, because of Adobe's software suite, because I'd like to do more things at once even if some app ends up using 12GB+ of my RAM and so on. Of course, you could make a RAM disk, store some frequently used files and software there and see all that run like PegASUS.

Having insufficient RAM heavily hinders performance, especially if you're running spinners. Having a 32 core CPU won't help you if you're never using more than 4 cores. Same goes for 4 GPU gaming machines when games are barely getting any higher FPS past the 2nd card.

 

[bit_user]

Windows should use all the RAM. There's no point for unused RAM. I didn't buy 32 GB for it to sit free.

If you bought the 32GB of RAM "so that your computer can run lightning fast", let me break it down for ya: unused RAM is nothing but that. It won't make your PC any faster.

Like I said, unused RAM gets used as disk cache. But, depending on what you're doing, it might not make a noticeable difference to cache that much.

 

[Loren_6]

Figures. Microsoft sells tablets which have only 4gb Ram. Cheap shot to get you to upgrade. Time to dump Microsoft.

 

[Nintendork]

@AZREAELLE

You can move the firefox cache to a different location, you can create a 512MB, 1-4GB ramdisk and use it as the browser cache.

 

[Geoffrey_9]

This is a fantastic move. It will make both troubleshooting and optimizing windows 10 so much easier. No more wasted services

 

[Guest]

Windows 10 is shit, period.

 

[alidan]

Try running memtest?

already have, back when i had 4gb, 8gb and when i moved to 16gb, everything is fine there.

I admit it's a pretty wild guess. Anyway, RAM does go bad with age/use. So, even if you ran it before, it wouldn't hurt to try it again.

Other than that, I have no clue. Do you have any sort of anti-virus installed? Perhaps it's a bug in that, since I think it hooks into the OS at a pretty low level.

no anti virus, they have never done anything but cause me endless headaches and formats in the past.

for some reason my computer becomes completely unstable and will black screen crash at 150 processes open, if windows makes a new process for each, i literally could do nothing.

Try running memtest?

already have, back when i had 4gb, 8gb and when i moved to 16gb, everything is fine there.
Its just after 150 processes are open my computer will randomly shut down with a black screen.
You have no idea how long it too me to narrow down the processes was the cause.

Hell, I had chrome open every single tab in its own process for a reason, its easier to close single tabs and get the resources back then it is to try and close down the clusters but for some reason that broke and its been clustering the tabs into single processes again, and sadly I can't find the way to make it stop doing that crap again.

you have any idea why system stability is tied to processes i'm all ears, would love to know why this happens.

This may not be the problem, but it could be similar. I remember reading about a fairly esoteric bug regarding windows event logs in one of the windows update kb's. Basically, it was generating events every time a process opened to the point where it crashed the event viewer. That in turn took the system down, which meant it could happen on any process. The process itself was innocent, it was just overflowing the log due to some misconfiguration that generated too many events.

That also reminds me of an older problem with svchost.exe, the plethora of malware that used to try to hide by calling itself svchost.exe.

This is quite possibly the issue, but seeing as i just came off 107 days of up time, and if I let my computer use over 150 processes it will crash hard within 4 days, I think there is a threshold for it to trigger.

Windows should use all the RAM. There's no point for unused RAM. I didn't buy 32 GB for it to sit free.

If you bought the 32GB of RAM "so that your computer can run lightning fast", let me break it down for ya: unused RAM is nothing but that. It won't make your PC any faster.

I for one bought 32GB of RAM because tons of tabs in a browser called Chrome, which to this day still can't just leave tabs alone at startup, because too many apps running across three screens, because rendering, because of Adobe's software suite, because I'd like to do more things at once even if some app ends up using 12GB+ of my RAM and so on. Of course, you could make a RAM disk, store some frequently used files and software there and see all that run like PegASUS.

Having insufficient RAM heavily hinders performance, especially if you're running spinners. Having a 32 core CPU won't help you if you're never using more than 4 cores. Same goes for 4 GPU gaming machines when games are barely getting any higher FPS past the 2nd card.

lol, went from 4gb to 8gb because I could, I wanted more ram as games and applications were putting me toward 100% ram use to often for my likeing,
I went from 8gb to 16 because of chrome eating close to 12gb between what was in ram and page file bloating the page file out to 20 gb at one point. I have sense clamped down on that so the page is never really used.
right now, I want to play fallout 4 a bit, but I cant as it will eat i beleive 4-5 gb of ram, chrome eats right now, 3gb miscellaneous programs will eat another 4gb and I have a program running that has been doing crap for the passed month and its starting to eat 6gb of ram, once that program finishes up ill have 6 more gb to play with and fallout 4 here i come.

Wish I could get 32gb of ram and be done with worrying about ram use entirely, but ddr2 system, and home windows 7 prevent me.
got to get win 7 ultimate on a 1tb ssd for my next build, and windows 10 on a kingdan 120gb or something, just some stupidly cheap ssd for that crap.

 

[jackt]

@Chombeau If you use a lot phoos u better change OS, now they are likely all sent to microsoft!

 

[cats_Paw]

As much as I like hating on Microsoft, this does not look like a huge problem (for me at least). I did not like svchost much, but I am a bit worried this might be a way to push edge instead of chrome (since chrome is known to eat ram for breakfast).

That being said, I wonder what will be the real implications of it.

 

[jasonkaler]

That's actually nice to hear this. svchost was a pain in the rear port.

 

[Deleted member 1353997]

The build contains a useful modification to the Active Hours setting for businesses, which will allow companies to set up to 18 hours as active usage times. The system will not attempt to update during this time so as not to disturb your work.

Ahahahahahahaha!

Oh, wait... you were serious?
Then did MS at least fix that bug, where the PC would automatically reboot in the middle of Active Hours?

 

[Beholder88]

Might use more RAM in the beginning, but once I can see what's running and do what I can to stop the services I don't want it may end up cleaner. I've got 16GB right now, might jump up to 32GB if I have to.

 

[Sam Bittermann]

You know gosh forbid all these websites regurgitate the same news. Could someone please actually test this and post results on exactly what this; "It will also increase RAM usage somewhat" actually means? 64KB, 512Kb, 2GB, what??????? Yes I know different systems will have different usage but common man!

 

[problematiq]

FINALLY! an end to svchost!@!! if you have to do process auditing, or malware removal you know the pain of windows 7 and older running svchost.

 

[Gurg]

That is great about the RAM, but when will MS begin developing operating system software to more fully utilize CPUs with four or more four cores?

 

[ammaross]

You know gosh forbid all these websites regurgitate the same news. Could someone please actually test this and post results on exactly what this; "It will also increase RAM usage somewhat" actually means? 64KB, 512Kb, 2GB, what??????? Yes I know different systems will have different usage but common man!

Considering my SVCHOST.exe in total is using ~220MB of RAM, splitting it out into separate processes may bump it another 20MB. Yes. MB.

 

[ammaross]

Windows should use all the RAM. There's no point for unused RAM. I didn't buy 32 GB for it to sit free.

If you bought the 32GB of RAM "so that your computer can run lightning fast", let me break it down for ya: unused RAM is nothing but that. It won't make your PC any faster.

I for one bought 32GB of RAM because tons of tabs in a browser called Chrome, which to this day still can't just leave tabs alone at startup, because too many apps running across three screens, because rendering, because of Adobe's software suite, because I'd like to do more things at once even if some app ends up using 12GB+ of my RAM and so on. Of course, you could make a RAM disk, store some frequently used files and software there and see all that run like PegASUS.

Having insufficient RAM heavily hinders performance, especially if you're running spinners. Having a 32 core CPU won't help you if you're never using more than 4 cores. Same goes for 4 GPU gaming machines when games are barely getting any higher FPS past the 2nd card.

Rather long winded when you could have simply said "Adobe After Affects renders previews in RAM only. More RAM lets you have a longer preview." That's enough to justify up to 64GB at least! Compound that by launching an After Affects sequence from a Premiere project and you're able to rebuff most "who would need that much RAM!?!?" commentards.

 

[LordConrad]

Extra RAM usage is probably partially due to Microsoft's refusal to stop using Visual BASIC for parts of Windows OS (most likely used for some of the new features). Slow and bloated languages (like BASIC) should never be used in any part of an OS.