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Granted, getting the right degree is important. I fault higher education for putting a lot of 'false' degrees on the market to gain the widest interest in their potential customers. It really is the next bubble.

I recently saw the student loan lending practices.. it has gone up like 8 times since about 6 years ago. It is the next bubble.. we're only a short time off because that pops and our higher education system will need bailed out (per our gov't of course) but the students will still get stuck footing the bill.
 

What degrees are 'false?'

What is the bubble? Why is there a bubble? Why blame the government (the people) for the high prices? What about all the schools administration? What about the over paid, over supported sports administrations and coaches who get paid millions while engineering professors only get paid 60-70K USD annually doing more work? Is ti state run institutions or are private institutions at fault? (ie. Phoenix, DeVry)
 
False degrees being degrees that in jobs that do not require degrees, do not adequately train, or provide false sense of security. For example, a degree in Journalism or Art is a bit of a joke. Very broad, but when it comes down to it many other degrees accomplish the same or more. I'm sure some colleges offer degrees on how to be a post office employee for example.

The bubble is the student loan debt being incurred at an unsustainable rate. Students are not going to be able to pay their debt $80,000 student loan debt for a degree that only pays $40,000. This is a bubble. The US gov't has increased how much they'll loan, in direct relation to the amount schools are charging for tuition. Chicken/Egg. With the increase of gov't lending to students to allow more people access to loan money, colleges in turn are almost forced to increase tuition to limit the amount of students applying and/or get the best students they can. Other smaller schools on the flip side are expanding with satellite campuses to target as many students as possible to get as much of that money as possible without providing a solid education.

People are told they need a degree. They are 'forced' into college as a necessity, forced into debt in most cases, and now live under a mountain of debt after graduating from a school that won't guarentee them a job.

We are going to have a generation of people who are burdened by their student loan debts and not be able to dig their way out. I have several friends who are in this situation.. heavily in debt from school in jobs that pay well but the student loan debt eats up much of their disposable income. They cannot buy a house, a new car, or many other items outside of the necessities.

It isn't state or private institutes. It is the government backing these loans and allowing too many people to get loans, or excessive amounts for their loans. Because the money is easier to get, tuition keeps going up.
 
Why does it when the government allows loans that colleges simultaneously raise tuition rates? I see no connection here? If anything, a supply demand would take effect and lower the prices of tuition based on the fact that supply exceeds demand.
 
Supply doesn't exceed demand. Demand is higher. This is caused by the gov't allowing access to more money to more people to pay student loans. With the gov't loaning more money, more people can go to school, increasing demand while supply is slow to increase. This goes back to my earlier comment about satellite campuses opening up all over the place - they're tapping the demand market in non-traditional areas and also having more smaller locations to get those students.

If you look at the amount of money being loaned today as opposed to exactly 7 years ago, you'll see demand has increased a huge amount while supply is relatively the same.
 
When looking for the graph I can across this still warm article, sitting at 23 hours old.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local-education/government-push-to-collect-on-student-loans-amid-b/nR2qY/
 


Yes. Not well but better than the current occupant of the desk chair in the Oval Office.



The birth control/"war against women" stuff is a bunch of garbage. Romney is a New England moderate and does not oppose abortion. He opposes forcing insurers- especially certain self-insured businesses- from being forced to pay for "free" contraceptives for their employees/customers. Any actual insurer who has any brains at all would PAY women to take contraceptives as contraceptives are much, much, much less expensive than being forced to pay for prenatal visits, delivery of a baby, and the post-delivery hospital stay- all things that Obamacare mandated had to be covered by insurance. Generic oral contraceptive pills are a whopping four bucks a month at Wal-Mart, Target, and other places. That's four bucks a month WITHOUT ANY INSURANCE. An uncomplicated vaginal delivery is about $20k for prenatal visits + delivery + hospital charges. A C-section increases that to $30-40k+ , partially because performing surgery gets a higher reimbursement rate than merely delivering a baby and partially that C/S patients stay for an extra day in the hospital. Shoot, if I were an insurer I'd gladly pay for a frigging $10k tubal ligation rather than risk dealing with a $20-40k+ delivery. Not to even mention a vasectomy in the partner for $1500-1700, Depo at $50/3 months or oral contraceptive pills at $4/month. But then again I am an engineer who thinks beyond the next quarterly or end of fiscal year report, not a bean counter who doesn't...



Romney IS a moderate. He will likely continue pretty much on the status quo, not jacking up taxes like the Democrats want but will do very little about the massive entitlement programs that some Republicans want to trim back. What we really need is a libertarian who is not scared of the political ads the Democrats will throw at them and will rein in the out of control entitlement liabilities and debt that are crippling the country. We also need a libertarian to return the power the massive federal bureaucracy has stolen from the states back to the states. The EPA, Dep't of Education, Dep't of Energy, HHS, BATFE, etc. etc. ad nauseum need to be disbanded and returned to the states.



My guess is that Obama will want to tax people earning over $250k at as high of a rate as he can since by and large they do not vote for him and he wishes to punish those that do not support him. If he actually had to throw out a top marginal rate I would expect it to be somewhere between the 50-60% than Europeans pay and the 91% top tax rate charged around the WWII time period. He already is advocating for a top federal marginal tax rate of about 43% between reinstating the Clinton tax hikes plus adding over 3% with the Obamacare tax hikes. (Read the bill, there are several income tax hikes in there.)

While this is about Romney, there has to be a contrast in which to compare.
While I see Romney promoting himself as a leader in Bain, I see nothing of leadership from Obama, just attacks on Bain and Romney, where many from everywhere said this wasnt right, coming from many on the left.
While I see Romney promoting what he did as governor, I see Obama trying to deny why and what the supreme court proclaimed what Obamacare is, a tax, denial, not leadership, only more twisting.
I see Obama attack Romney on his health care he set up, while Romney said this is best left to a state issue, where it would be defined mby the US supreme court as a fine, and not a tax, again, more twists to keep the truth from the people.

Obama has no real record on which to run; that's why he does not run on it. All he can do is rip on Romney. The economy has been bad his entire term despite his multiple "guaranteed to work" stimulus programs and Congressional super-majority. The only reason the unemployment rate isn't vastly worse than it appears is that there are many people who have been out of work >6 months and no longer factor into the unemployment calculation! We saw the same crap under FDR- a prolonged depression because Keynesian economics works about as well as trying to stuff an FX-8150 in an LGA2011 board.

And once again, I see Obama not having solutions, only to spend more, showing no leadership on tough decisions, as having more money makes his, and everyone in governments jobs easier and easier. Attacking a tougher scenario, where government would have to do more with less, as Romney wishes to do.

If they were my kids, I would be proud of Mitt, getting more out of less, and be annoyed with Barack, as he always keeps spending more than he has, always asks for more, and just wont change, so then, where is the hope?

Obama is a socialist, there is NO doubt about that. He honestly believes that government is the ONLY entity that can actually do the "right" things and thus the government needs to control as much as possible. Witness his comment about "you didn't build that" that the Republicans made great fun of during the RNC speeches. He does not appear to really care about spending as he appears to be an ends-justify-the-means sort of person. As long as he gets more governmental involvement in the citizens' lives, it is a win and deficts/debt be damned.



More like "every child left behind." Why GWB ever went for the No Child Left Behind crap I will never understand...



And that's just how the government wants it. Governments ultimately want to 1) stay in power indefinitely and 2) increase their power. Keeping a population wholly dependent on the government is a great way to accomplish those goals and much better than just the threat of force as threat of force tends to leave people upset and willing to overthrow the likely oppressive government. Giving people something for "nothing" makes the government into the good guy *and* turns the entitlement class against the tax-paying class who seeks to change the government and derail the entitlement gravy train. That's a DOUBLE win right there.
 
From a very surprising source: The left-leaning liberal Washington Post, where they still live up and bring up Bob Woodard's Watergate expose nearly 40 years later. I guess that's because they don't have anything new??

Anyway: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-challenge-to-obama-in-2012-from-obama-in-2008/2012/09/06/53675850-f825-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_story.html

In 2008, Obama delivered a devastating critique of the state of the economy, with words that could just as easily describe the state of the economy today: “Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and even more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can’t afford to drive, credit card bills you can’t afford to pay, and tuition that’s beyond your reach.” Of those responsible for this disastrous state of affairs, Obama declared, “It’s time for them to own their failure.”

He then set clear benchmarks by which we could determine whether his administration has been a success. “We Democrats have a very different measure of what constitutes progress in this country,” Obama told the assembled delegates. “We measure progress by how many people can find a job that pays the mortgage; whether you can put a little extra money away at the end of each month so you can someday watch your child receive her college diploma. We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was president — when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000, like it has under George W. Bush.”

So how does Obama’s record stack up against the standard he set himself in 2008? Obama said a decline in family income of $2,000 over eight years was a dismal failure. Well under his leadership, the average American family saw its income go down by almost $4,000 in just three years — from $54,797 when Obama took office in the first quarter of 2009 to just $50,964 in the first quarter of 2012. Instead of 23 million new jobs, Obama is the only president since World War II to have presided over a net job loss. The U.S. is now in its 42nd consecutive month of above-8 percent unemployment — the longest stretch of sustained high unemployment since the Great Depression.

In his 2008 address, Obama said Republicans were launching negative attacks on his character to distract attention from their dismal economic record. “If you don’t have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things,” Obama said. In 2012, Obama’s campaign strategy is centered almost exclusively on painting his opponent as someone people should run from — a heartless corporate raider, and possible felon, who killed a woman. The candidate making a big election small is the one who indicted others for doing so four years ago.

Four years ago, Obama said our economic crisis was “a direct result of a broken politics in Washington and the failed policies of George W. Bush.” Well, Obama’s been in charge for almost four years now, and our politics are as broken as ever. And regardless of the tough hand he was dealt, by a margin of 56 percent to 35 percent Americans say his policies are making things worse, not better.

This means that if Obama’s message tonight is “stay the course” — that his policies are working and he just needs more time — his speech will backfire. “Stay the course” didn’t work for George W. Bush in 2006, when Americans knew our strategy in Iraq was failing. It won’t work any better for this president in 2012, when large majorities believe Obama’s economic strategy is failing. If Obama wants voters to give him a second chance, he needs to lay out a vision for “change” — and show the American people how a second Obama term would be different from the first. If he doesn’t, they are unlikely to give him one. If he promises more of the same, Americans may well heed his advice from four years ago — and make him own his own failure.

Up until the current election politics got into full swing, I liked Barry personally. I still think he's personable and witty. However the nasty attacks, no accountability for his previous statements and promises, and the zero progress (which at least half the blame can be laid at the feet of the House Republicans) have caused me to change my mind. Not that I find Romney very appealing either, but I'm willing to give the new guy 4 years to prove himself, seeing as how the current guy stated 4 years ago that is what Americans should do..

However I also think Obama may have deeper plans for America: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-obamas-desire-to-transform-the-united-states/2012/09/05/35f2d582-f790-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_story.html

Progress, as progressives understand it, means advancing away from, up from, something. But from what?

From the Constitution’s constricting anachronisms. In 1912, Wilson said, “The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of governmental power.” But as Kesler notes, Wilson never said the future of liberty consisted of such limitation.

Instead, he said, “every means . . . by which society may be perfected through the instrumentality of government” should be used so that “individual rights can be fitly adjusted and harmonized with public duties.” Rights “adjusted and harmonized” by government necessarily are defined and apportioned by it. Wilson, the first transformative progressive, called this the “New Freedom.” The old kind was the Founders’ kind — government existing to “secure” natural rights (see the Declaration) that preexist government. Wilson thought this had become an impediment to progress. The pedigree of Obama’s thought runs straight to Wilson.

And through the second transformative progressive, Franklin Roosevelt, who counseled against the Founders’ sober practicality and fear of government power: “We are beginning to wipe out the line that divides the practical from the ideal” and are making government “an instrument of unimagined power” for social improvement. The only thing we have to fear is fear of a government of unimagined power:

“Government is a relation of give and take.” The “rulers” — FDR’s word — take power from the people, who in turn are given “certain rights.”

This, says Kesler, is “the First Law of Big Government: the more power we give the government, the more rights it will give us.” It also is the ultimate American radicalism, striking at the roots of the American regime, the doctrine of natural rights. Remember this when next — perhaps tonight — Obama discourses on the radicalism of Paul Ryan.

As Kesler says, the logic of progressivism is: “Since our rights are dependent on government, why shouldn’t we be?” This is the real meaning of Obama’s most characteristic rhetorical trope, his incessant warning that Americans should be terrified of being “on your own.”

Obama, the fourth transformative progressive, had a chief of staff who said “you never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” More than a century before that, a man who would become the first such progressive said that a crisis is a terrible thing not to create. Crises, said Wilson, are periods of “unusual opportunity” for gaining “a controlling and guiding influence.” So, he said, leaders should maintain a crisis atmosphere “at all times.”

Campaigning in 1964, Lyndon Johnson, the third consequential progressive, exclaimed through a bull horn: “I just want to tell you this — we’re in favor of a lot of things and we’re against mighty few.” He learned this progressive vernacular from his patron, FDR, who envisioned “an unlimited civilization capable of infinite progress.” Poet Archibald Mac­Leish, FDR’s choice for librarian of Congress, exemplified progressives’ autointoxication: America has “the abundant means” to create “whatever world we have the courage to desire” and the ability to “take this country down” and “build it again as we please,” to “take our cities apart and put them together,” to lead our “rivers where we please to lead them,” etc.

In 2012, Americans want from government not such flights of fancy but sobriety; not ecstatic evocations of dreamlike tomorrows but a tolerably functioning today; not fantasies about a world without scarcities and therefore without choices among our desires and appetites but a mature understanding of the limits to government’s proper scope and actual competence. Tonight’s speech is Obama’s last chance to take a first step toward accommodation with a country increasingly concerned about his unmasked determination to “transform” what the Founders considered “fundamentals.”

This is not the hoped-for "change" that I thought Obama meant 4 years ago. If the dems and liberals want a different kind of America than what the founders created, let them go start up a new country in Antartica...

 
That could have happened to any person who studied abroad say an American and they spend lots of money on them and they changed their mind. She is entitled to do this in her life.
 


Not sure which "she" you meant - my daughter or my niece, but I agree - it is their lives and they are adults and have to make the important decisions themselves. All I can do is advise, plus pay enormous sums of money 😛 to support them insofar as I am able..

It's my wife who is really upset over her niece's decision to abandon her studies and possible life here in the USA and return to Vietnam, where she'll earn maybe $300 a month max, probably wind up marrying her boyfriend and pop out babies 😛. I just hope her boyfriend does not turn out like so many Vietnamese men - drink & smoke far too much, gamble, chase other women and possibly abandon her and the kids, which is what my wife's younger brother did.

I have told my niece it's her decision and that if she is sure that is what she wants to do, then I wish her luck and happiness. She is a sweet, hard-working girl so we'll miss her, particularly my young son who thinks of her as his sister, since his real sister only visits a couple times a year.

But such is life..
 
From http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/09/clinton_s_convention_speech_2012_should_we_extend_obama_s_deadline_for_fixing_the_economy_.html

Delay of Judgment - Democrats haven’t fixed the economy, so they’re rolling back their deadline.

If you don’t think things are changing fast enough in this country—employment, wages, deficit reduction—cheer up. One thing is definitely changing: President Obama’s deadline for fixing the economy.

In February 2009, two weeks after he was sworn in, Obama sat for an interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer. Lauer asked him about the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Here’s part of their exchange:

Lauer: At some point, will you say, "Wait a minute. We've spent this amount of money. We're not seeing the results. We've got to change course dramatically”?

Obama: Look, I'm at the start of my administration. One nice thing about the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I've got four years. And … a year from now, I think people are gonna see that we're starting to make some progress. But there's still gonna be some pain out there. If I don't have this done in three years, then there's gonna be a one-term proposition.

A year later, many indicators did show progress. But people didn’t think it was adequate, and Democrats were headed for a shellacking in the midterm election. In September 2010, speaking at Cuyahoga Community College in Ohio, Bill Clinton pleaded for patience:

[Republicans] say: “They had 21 months. Put us back in.” The Democrats are saying something like this: “Look, we found a big hole that we did not dig. And we didn’t get out of it in 21 months, but at least we quit digging. So, don’t go back in reverse. Give us two more years. If it doesn’t work, you have another election in just two years. You can vote us all out then. But for goodness sakes, we quit digging. Don’t bring back the shovel brigade.”

Well, it’s two years later now. We’re three and a half years into Obama’s term. The digging has indeed stopped. The unemployment rate has held steady, and monthly job reports have shown positive numbers, though on balance, they’re just treading water. But we certainly aren’t out of the hole. TARP limited the recession’s damage, but nobody thinks that in terms of economic progress or pain relief, Obama can claim to have gotten it “done” in the three years he gave himself.

So Democrats are doing what people do when they miss a deadline. They’re rolling it back.

On June 14, Obama went to Cuyahoga Community College—the same place where Clinton had offered his two-year timetable in 2010—and picked up the metaphor about digging out of a hole:

From 2001 to 2008, we had the slowest job growth in half a century. The typical family saw their incomes fall. … Not only are we digging out of a hole that is nine million jobs deep, we’re digging out from an entire decade where six million manufacturing jobs left our shores, where costs rose but incomes and wages didn’t, and where the middle class fell further and further behind.

I’m sympathetic to this critique of the Bush years. But what’s striking in Obama’s plea is his extension of the time horizon for judging performance. In the June 14 speech, he pushed back the baseline from 2008 to 2001, implying that he should be judged not by whether people feel better off after Obama’s four years in office, but by comparing economic trends during Bush’s eight years with trends during a similar period under Obama. Then, on July 5, Obama explicitly extended his accountability date beyond 2012: “We knew it would take more than one year or one term or maybe even one president.” Obama now repeats this caveat in nearly every speech.

Last night in his address at the Democratic convention, Clinton joined the effort to ratchet back expectations. He said Obama had “stopped the slide into depression and put us on the long road to recovery, knowing all the while that no matter how many jobs that he saved or created, there’d still be millions more waiting.” Minutes later, Clinton added:

He put a floor under the crash. He began the long, hard road to recovery. … When President Barack Obama took office, the economy was in free fall. It had just shrunk 9 full percent of GDP. We were losing 750,000 jobs a month. Are we doing better than that today? The answer is yes. … No president—not me, not any of my predecessors, no one—could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years.

Fair enough. But where was that stipulation in 2009 and 2010? Why did Obama say he’d “have this done in three years”? Why did Clinton ask, a year later, for just “two more years”? Where was all this putative foresight about the millions of job seekers who would still be waiting? Where were the warnings about the long, hard road to recovery?

Let’s be honest. Obama was overconfident. So was Clinton, even halfway through Obama’s term. Like most of us, these guys underestimate and overpromise. We shouldn’t believe what they’re telling us now any more than we should have believed, in retrospect, what they told us then. They’ve rolled back their deadline. And if necessary, they’ll roll it back again.

So it seems to me that here we have a president with all his financial gurus who can't even predict how long it'll take them to fix all the problems. Reminds me of the shady car repair shop where the guy keeps harping "Well when we got into it, we found this other gizmo that we need to fix, so it'll be another couple days and a thousand dollars more."

I'd say time to take this jalopy to another car repair shop 😛..