Mitt Romney

[fazers_on_stun]

Where young people can't find work

Looks like Greece & Spain are tied for #1, with over half the 16 - 25 yr old population unable to find work. Ireland, Portugal and Italy are up on the list as well. So if Obama wants the USA to follow the European socialist model, doesn't look like that model is doing so good..

My feeling is now that gas prices are climbing towards $4 a gallon again, plus Obama's dissatisfaction level and the fact that no president has won re-election when the consumer confidence index is as low as it currently is, Romney & Ryan will will the election.

 

[dogman_1234]

Sheesh...where I am at, I can't find a good basic wages job!

Either you work none, or you must have a 4-6 year degree in medical or viticulture.

Pay is good. We have great minimum wage laws here. Can afford to pay gas and extras. Getting tired of dish washing and the screwing around of the boss. Must find better work for weekends.

 

[dogman_1234]

while Greece youth are forced to be unemployed, American youth voluntarily unemploy themselves!

They are selfish b@$tards who don't want to work but remain on the backcloths of their parents.

 

[riser]

No one wants to put the work in to actually earn money. They want it before they start working for it.

Jobs are there a lot of times. I always wanted to work in IT but if a job wasn't there I looked at other jobs too. I didn't quit and give up.

 

[musical marv]

No one wants to put the work in to actually earn money. They want it before they start working for it.

Jobs are there a lot of times. I always wanted to work in IT but if a job wasn't there I looked at other jobs too. I didn't quit and give up.

No one is giving up go tell that to the millions unemployed out there where there are not any jobs to be found especially minorities.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

No one is giving up go tell that to the millions unemployed out there where there are not any jobs to be found especially minorities.

We have an entitlement society now with Obama's reform to welfare. People just stay on welfare now without any incentive to work.

 

[dogman_1234]

Wasn't it Clinton and Gingrich that came together to make the work for pay welfare system?

 

[chunkymonster]

We have an entitlement society now with Obama's reform to welfare. People just stay on welfare now without any incentive to work.

Wasn't it Clinton and Gingrich that came together to make the work for pay welfare system?

Yes, it was Gingrich that lead the welfare reform that Clinton signed into law. But do not confuse Clinton signing the 1996 Welfare reform into law as a sign of Clinton's leadership or championing "workfare"; history was quite the opposite. If you are old enough to remember, Clinton came into office very much to the extreme left but ended up taking a more centrist position as a result of the Republican controlled House and Senate. Clinton wanted to expand welfare, but it was his compromise to Republicans that created the most significant and successful welfare reform since the 1960's.

Sadly, Obama issuing his directive to HHS practically undid what Clinton achieved.

 

[musical marv]

The difference today is that people who are out of work are still eating. It used to be, that if you didn't work, you didn't eat. Hunger can be a powerful motivator to get off your ass and clean some gutters or paint someones house or mow their grass or weed their flower bed, or whatever. Now, you can just sit on your ass, watch the cartoon network all day and collect your check at the end of the week.

The difference between conservatives and Obama voters? Conservatives sign their checks on the front, Obama voters sign theirs on the back.

You are generalizing once again. All people are not like this.Conservatives do not care at all about us meaning seniors and the rest of the grunge you call people who do not work.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

You are generalizing once again. All people are not like this.Conservatives do not care at all about us meaning seniors and the rest of the grunge you call people who do not work.

And our current President does with his cuts to Medicare in Obamacare?

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Another email from my brother who is a dyed-in-the-wool Republican:

A History Lesson on Your Social Security Card 1934 - 1980:

With the elections just a little over 3 months away you'll soon be hearing some Democrats running for political office, warning how the Republicans want to take away the old people's Social Security.

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this it's easy to check out, if you don't believe it. Be sure and show it to your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts:

Social Security Cards, issued in 1934, and up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and that card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

When Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65% on the first $90,000 (Double for self-employed!)

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program.

Under Johnson, another Democrat, the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

Under Clinton & Gore, Democrats, Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away' for us -- you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US.

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.

Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away! And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn't so.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

^ So if the above is true, then we get double-taxed on SS payments - the first time when you earn the $$ and pay into the system, and the 2nd time when you withdraw it from the system.

And despite all this, seems like the SS system is perenially in danger of going bankrupt..

 

[mjmjpfaff]

To be fair my father is an immigrant (from Canada) and he came to America in his 20's and paid into Social Security this whole time. It would only be fair to give him his benefits.

The worst part of Social Security is how it is put into a general fund. I'm sure it would not be out of money already if it was in independent Trust Funds.

 

[dogman_1234]

SS was intended to be a private account by the federal government. FDR knew this. that is why we have the SSN, it was a private account for you! For you! Uncle Sam wanted to make a private account for retirees. SS was also to be bought into with bonds, so it collected interest on the side.

With the rise of SSN identity theft, many should be reconsidering this as a form of ID. I think the long form birth certificate is an okay way, as long as we do not need to process it and store it for someone to steal and manipulate.

This shows that SS needs to be reformed. No doubt about it! I just wish both sides can come together to make it the program FDR wanted it to be.

 

[musical marv]

And our current President does with his cuts to Medicare in Obamacare?

Stop hearing all the lies that these Republicans are telling you and start to listen once to the truth coming out of the people who need this to survive.We are the bosses of the politicians not the other way around.Romney is always i all the time not we!

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Stop hearing all the lies that these Republicans are telling you and start to listen once to the truth coming out of the people who need this to survive.We are the bosses of the politicians not the other way around.Romney is always i all the time not we!

READ THE LAW MARV!!! THERE ARE NEW TAXES AND CUTS WITHIN THE LAW! IT DOES NOT MERELY CONSIST HOW TO SET UP THE SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE. IT WOULD BE MUCH SHORTER IF IT WERE THAT. IT INCLUDES HOW TO PAY FOR IT WHICH INCLUDES THE CUTS TO MEDICARE AND NEW TAXES FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST THAT FAKE TAX (PENALTY) IF THEY DO NOT PAY FOR IT.

I understand that WE are the bosses of the politicians. That is why I believe that our current President must go. He did not keep his promises on the deficit, the transparency of his administration, etc. He lied to us and he must go. WE should understand the power of our vote and WE should not have to deal with politicians that lie to us because WE as Americans are an amazing group of people.

 

[dogman_1234]

What happens if not every boss is in agreement on firing the employee(s)?

 

[musical marv]

READ THE LAW MARV!!! THERE ARE NEW TAXES AND CUTS WITHIN THE LAW! IT DOES NOT MERELY CONSIST HOW TO SET UP THE SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE. IT WOULD BE MUCH SHORTER IF IT WERE THAT. IT INCLUDES HOW TO PAY FOR IT WHICH INCLUDES THE CUTS TO MEDICARE AND NEW TAXES FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST THAT FAKE TAX (PENALTY) IF THEY DO NOT PAY FOR IT.

I understand that WE are the bosses of the politicians. That is why I believe that our current President must go. He did not keep his promises on the deficit, the transparency of his administration, etc. He lied to us and he must go. WE should understand the power of our vote and WE should not have to deal with politicians that lie to us because WE as Americans are an amazing group of people.

Do you really think Romney is the new savior for the country and we all go back to the ways he is proposing again to cut taxes for the rich and the he will bring in 14 million new jobs.Where?

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Do you really think Romney is the new savior for the country and we all go back to the ways he is proposing again to cut taxes for the rich and the he will bring in 14 million new jobs.Where?

By no means do I think he is the savior of the country but I believe he will do a better job than our current President. BTW he is not proposing to cut taxes on the rich he is proposing to keep them the same as they are now. Our current President believes that he can bring 14 million new jobs through government spending (with money we do not have, no matter how much you tax the rich) and by expanding the public sector which is laughable as is. Mitt Romney wants to strengthen the private sector where, historically speaking, most jobs and wealth comes from.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Do you really think Romney is the new savior for the country and we all go back to the ways he is proposing again to cut taxes for the rich and the he will bring in 14 million new jobs.Where?

Do you think Obama can fix the economy in the next 4 years? He has a proven track record of failure the last 4 years..

Why not give the new guy a chance?

 

[musical marv]

By no means do I think he is the savior of the country but I believe he will do a better job than our current President. BTW he is not proposing to cut taxes on the rich he is proposing to keep them the same as they are now. Our current President believes that he can bring 14 million new jobs through government spending (with money we do not have, no matter how much you tax the rich) and by expanding the public sector which is laughable as is. Mitt Romney wants to strengthen the private sector where, historically speaking, most jobs and wealth comes from.

Truthfully what happened at Bain I cannot believe this man at all.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Truthfully what happened at Bain I cannot believe this man at all.

What did happen at Bain Marv? And can you back it up with trustworthy sources, not opinion pieces.

 

[riser]

The lower class is dependent on the Government because unfortunately there our no jobs at all now.What do you want them to do go rob a bank if there is no steady income going into the family.They depend on welfare and other forms of payment from the Government.

Marv, I disagree. For many, there are low paying jobs. Those jobs do not support the lifestyle they want to live though. That comes down to their lifestyle choices. The other day on a news site I saw a homeless guy telling him story. The picture said it all.. he had an iPhone and was homeless. Maybe it was gifted to him, I don't know.

It comes down to lifestyle choices. If you decided to get an education, you probably are doing well for yourself. If you didn't, you're probably stuck at lower paying jobs. There is a gray area, such as myself, where you don't have that four year degree but you do well. Our systems lets everyone succeed if they are willing to put in the work. Unfortunately, our system is now more tailored to letting you not have to work.

 

[riser]

No one is giving up go tell that to the millions unemployed out there where there are not any jobs to be found especially minorities.

You mention minorities. You mean blacks, right? Why do you think 'minorities' (ie blacks) have a higher unemployment rate?

I don't have any hard evidence on this at the moment, but I would suspect two things: Lack of education and criminal backgrounds.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Sometimes a college degree is overrated for gainful employment. My daughter graduated from U. of Rhode Island with a degree in "Marine Affairs" which is one of those hybrid degrees with coursework in maritime law, marine ecology/biology, and I dunno what else thrown in 😛. Would have been great for the EPA or another gov't agency but thanks to the recession they aren't hiring. So now she is back in school studying nursing, which is just about guaranteed employment starting over $60K a year in the Northeast.

OTOH, my wife's niece who just turned 22, came over from Vietnam to live with us last winter to study English and then maybe nursing at the local community college. However she is quite homesick and has decided to go back to Vietnam in a couple weeks. My wife is very upset as we spent maybe $7K to bring her over here, pay the first semester tuition, etc which is money down the drain IMO. She'll probably wind up marrying her boyfriend and raising kids - no English required for that.