MSFT Edits Laptop Hunter Ad at Apple's Request

[anamaniac]

When was the last time to my computer crashed...
I only crash now because my GPU is unstable... and even that`s been a while.

 

[caskachan]

I think this will be worse for MAcintosh, as before they sai "its double of these" and ppl could think 1400 or 1000, but now they mention the mac at 2000, making ppl go "OMG wtf 2000 for a mac" , oh lordy mac you brought it on youself LOL

 

[tryceo]

Microsoft just lost their 2 balls...
Just because some gay ass Apply supporter told you to stop the ad and you did? Even though every thing in the ad is true and Macs are just really really overpriced? Really Microsoft... grow some balls. The Mac vs PC ad was way more offensive than this... saying that vista get blue screens every hour and that your games won't play and you can look a photos is just fucking gay.
Microsoft owns like 90% of the fucking market and you are letting a 5% little company ruin you??? You should really just stand up for yourselves.
Use your $50 billion to buy a pair of balls.

 

[funkjunky]

HAHAHAHAHA you guys are so dumb. End of story. My evidence is simply the ignorance of your statements.

Apple commercials = subjective truths.
Laptop hunter commercials = subjective lies.

The differences are that apples words are about things that happen moderately frequently and Microsoft's words about things that are very incorrect about the PCs and the macs. Actually examine the commercial rather than using confirmation theory to be ignorant.

 

[dingumf]

LOL at pitiful Apple

 

[starhoof]

[citation][nom]son_of_the_kiss[/nom]you have seen the amount of miniaturization that Apple did to get the thing to work to their satisfaction. i gladly pay the premium for truly clever technology, especially since i know that i won't have to buy a new computer till a completely new line comes out and the software is optimized for the new technology. i'm guessing you're running XP and stop condemning marketing, mostly people pay more - by percent - for that silly AE shirt than they do for that 2 year old mac sitting on my desk[/citation]

Did you read the posts at all??? Mac uses same damn hardware as pc... where the hell is that inovation that you are talking about ??? even the damn mac os is just remade linux... do you just vomit your words out ???

 

[dman3k]

[citation][nom]starhoof[/nom]Did you read the posts at all??? Mac uses same damn hardware as pc... where the hell is that inovation that you are talking about ??? even the damn mac os is just remade linux... do you just vomit your words out ???[/citation]yeah, whether I double major in CS/Software Engineering and Computering Engineering is none of his business. I wonder how his supposed "CS degree" make him more knowledgeable to jack shit?

I'm pretty sure he can't argue against my first post, so he has to bring up bullshit. Done with that idiot fanboi.

 

[alagadnidonald]

how can you bash macs when most of M$ apologists owned an iPod or an iPhone? frakking idiots

 

[digital anomaly]

[citation][nom]son_of_the_kiss[/nom]windows is too easy to infect[/citation]

"Between Mac and PC, I'd say that Macs are less secure for the reasons we've discussed here (lack of anti-exploitation technologies) but are more safe because there simply isn't much malware out there."
- Charlie Miller, Security Analyst

Source:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pwn2own-mac-hack,2254-6.html

Just wanted to point out that your statement is incorrect. The reason why there is a ton of malware for Windows there are more people focused on breaking it for the simple reason that it is the most widespread OS. If these people decided to attack OSX, it would probably be a massacre. Just because OSX runs on Darwin doesn't automatically make it a security fortress.

I'm also a Computer Science graduate and I have used multiple variants of Unix/Unix-like operating systems (including OSX). I even have experience in pre-OSX Macs. My work (software development using Visual Studio) and my hobbies (gaming) leave me no choice but to run Windows and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I believe that the moment Apple decided to switch to Intel-based processors, they stepped into dangerous territory. Now, people could easily compare PCs and Macs provided they had similar hardware specs. The price difference also became more apparent. But then, Microsoft released Vista which is practically a dagger in the gut. This basically gave Apple a reason to keep selling at higher price points, using OS X performance as leverage while effectively hiding the fact that their base hardware and hardware upgrades are significantly more expensive than other vendors.

Obviously, Microsoft needed to save face and it seemed like they put top priority into releasing Windows 7 ASAP. With positive reviews regarding their beta release, they have more or less made up for their mistakes and can now "properly" talk-back to Apple by releasing the Laptop Hunter ads. Even if the commercials were a bit biased, the fact that you pay premium for the Apple brand was bought up and Apple felt the hurt. They were brushing it off initially:

"A PC is no bargain when it doesn't do what you want .... The one thing that both Apple and Microsoft can agree on is that everyone thinks the Mac is cool. With its great designs and advanced software, nothing matches it at any price." - Bill Evans, Apple PR Spokesman

But then we all know what happened a week ago.

I actually have no problems with Apple other than their hardware pricing. They strive to experiment and innovate which I think is great. I just don't see any advantages in purchasing from them.

Though the Windows doesn't have Final Cut Pro (which is practically the only significant OS X exclusive program), it has Adobe CS. Which is more than enough to accomplish any multimedia tasks I might need to do (I edit videos in my spare time).

Here's a surprising article that I found while looking for Windows vs OS X performance comparisons:
http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php...obe_photoshop_cs3_beta_performance__osx_vs_xp

It shows that CS3 beta was running roughly 27% faster on XP than OS X. Take note that this was done on the same machine with XP on Boot Camp. Admittedly, this was CS3 beta and they probably fixed OS X issues by now but I just wanted to point out that I think the "performance gains" from OS X are not significant nor advantageous, if there are any at all. Even my friends who are into multimedia design say that there's practically no difference running Adobe on OS X compared to Windows. I won't bother comparing Vista and OS X since I think we'll all agree that Vista was Windows ME's bastard offspring.

I look forward to seeing a clean install of Windows 7 and a clean install of OS X Snow Leopard benchmarked against each other (one setup involving a Mac and a PC with similar specs and another setup with Windows 7 running on Boot Camp). That will certainly shed some light on the "Which OS is really better" question.

 

[digital anomaly]

My links seemed to have disappeared.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pwn2own-mac-hack,2254-6.html
http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?type=3&id=574&page=1&desc=adobe_photoshop_cs3_beta_performance__osx_vs_xp

 

[cobot]

Actu[citation][nom]sicundercover[/nom]Its called a great Marketing Department and what are these so many things that are done on MACs INSTEAD of PC's because it sure isnt multi media. Apple lost a huge chunk of that years ago. You cant even get 3d Studio Max for the Mac and ZBrush and Autodesk Maya just finally came out with a version for Macs, Adobe also hasnt released a version of Photoshop that can use more then 4GB of RAM for OSX but they put a priority on releasing it for Windows. So why would Adobe do that? A bigger market is the answer. BTW, Whats the best Graphics Configuration you can get on a Mac Pro right now today? 4x NVidia Geforce GT 120's (which is a renamed 9500GT)or one ATI Radeon HD 4870. Certainly not the best for Multimedia.I really love the MAC fan boys, their retorts always lack any real knowledge of the hardware involved.[/citation]

Sure looks like a GTX285 to me...altough the price for it on apple store is just plain silly...

http://store.apple.com/us/product/TW387ZM/A

 

[830hobbes]

It's immature and irresponsible to hate Apple. They have driven innovation (they popularized the mouse and introduced the graphical interface in 1984 with their first computer) and are beginning to serve as a powerful competitor to Microsoft, forcing Microsoft to work hard on its own products. While certain aspects of OSX and Apple keep me from buying a Mac at this time, I'm happy Apple exists and is doing well.

 

[dman3k]

[citation][nom]830hobbes[/nom]It's immature and irresponsible to hate Apple. They have driven innovation (they popularized the mouse and introduced the graphical interface in 1984 with their first computer) and are beginning to serve as a powerful competitor to Microsoft, forcing Microsoft to work hard on its own products. While certain aspects of OSX and Apple keep me from buying a Mac at this time, I'm happy Apple exists and is doing well.[/citation]Apple has driven innovation, but they are not innovative! Their marketing strategy, overprice everything to make it seem like it's better than it actually is, has been around since human existence. If they can fool idiots into purchasing things at a much higher price, more power to them.

But Apple's overprice strategy sets standards. Apple didn't invent jack-shit, but they sure made them popular.

How the hell is the mp3 player an Apple innovation? Cause they brought it to mainstream America. And Apple fanbois believe that Apple friggin' invented the mp3 player. What a load of BS!

How the hell is the multitouch screen an Apple innovation? Cause they put it on a cellphone. How much money did they have to pay to get that patented? Friggin ridiculous.

And from your example, how the hell did they introduce the graphic user interface? Yes, tell me how. Cause I'm pretty sure Xerox did.

Face it, marketing lies are all Apple got.

 

[astrodudepsu]

[citation][nom]son_of_the_kiss[/nom]because apple's ads are meant to be humorous and talks mainly about software rather than ignoring the point of having the other one entirely[/citation]

You realize that Apple is a hardware company? Microsoft is a software company. So you have Apple commercials focusing on software, that doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

[waffle911]

[citation][nom]dman3k[/nom] Apple didn't invent jack-shit[/citation]
Well, then, if not Apple, who invented this wonderful multi-touch no-button glass track pad I'm using right now? For that matter, who invented the multi-touch track pad interface used on the older MacBooks? Who invented the specific way in which users interact with the Mac OS GUI and several of its key features? They sure hold a lot of patents for things they didn't invent and didn't commercially (or conceptually) exist before they got into it.
[citation][nom]dman3k[/nom] How the hell is the mp3 player an Apple innovation? Cause they brought it to mainstream America. And Apple fanbois believe that Apple friggin' invented the mp3 player.[/citation]
Apple did not invent the MP3 player, true. But they invented the first-of-its-kind user-friendly interface of the iPod and the necessary hardware-software relationship combined with a legal content distribution method that made MP3 players viable alternatives to Walkmans and CD's. They had to have done something no one else had done before if they were the first ones to make it successful, and marketing isn't even the half of it.
[citation][nom]dman3k[/nom] How the hell is the multitouch screen an Apple innovation? Cause they put it on a cellphone. How much money did they have to pay to get that patented?[/citation]
I would like to see your sources as to who exactly invented the multi-touch screen. I don't think they invented the idea, but they seem to have invented their way of making it work. And they certainly were the first ones to bring it to market when none of it's competitors had anything like it, so yeah, it sort of is an Apple innovation, and they probably paid as much as anyone else would have to have it patented, plus the costs of dealing with patent lawyers who took the time to research existing patents to make sure it hadn't been done before.
[citation][nom]dman3k[/nom]...how the hell did they introduce the graphic user interface? Yes, tell me how. Cause I'm pretty sure Xerox did. Face it, marketing lies are all Apple got.[/citation]
Yes, Xerox did in fact invent the GUI. They also had absolutely zero interest in bringing it to the consumer computing market. They let Apple run with it, and run they did. At the time, the GUI was heckled as being nothing more than a toy or a way for the computer illiterate to use technology, but Apple stuck with it and look where we are now. Apple was the innovator to bring existing technology to a new market. Microsoft took that and made it better, but without Apple, Windows might not exist as we know it today, if at all.

And, no, marketing lies are not all that Apple has. Microsoft has them too, they are platform agnostic. Apple has a combination of user interface, hardware design, and customer experience that people are perfectly willing to pay for. Microsoft could have easily kept these customers if it offered a similar overall package. That's not just Apple marketing lies, that's good business, catering to a niche of people who either find Windows difficult to deal with or are looking for a ready-made alternative, and maybe value design a bit more than most other people. Why buy a Mercedes when a Dodge offers similar or better performance at a lower price? because the Mercedes offers "enough" or similar performance and is a nicer car overall, and has an excellent customer experience to go with it. So sue them for offering a nice, "premium" alternative to people who could care less about performance or versatility so long as it's fast enough and does what they need it to do, and several things that they don't need it to do but are still appreciated. (Does anyone really need the seats to give them a massage while they drive? No, but it's a nice feature to have, and if you've got the money, why not?)

Overall I find that while you make a couple valid points, they are undermined by the confrontational nature and senseless bigotry you exhibit in your post. "Friggin ridiculous" is right.