MSI Caught Overvolting GTX 660 Ti, 670 Power Edition Cards

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[citation][nom]bigcyco1[/nom]hmmmm.... wonder how many law suits will be i order i suspect quite a bit[/citation]

law suits for what !? A free overclock you are getting lol
 
[citation][nom]jasonpwns[/nom]This gives nvidia a bad name too. Since if people get a dead card they usually don't care to investigate what's wrong with it and pass the blame straight to nvidia or amd. They usually never point the finger to the company they actually got the card from.[/citation]
I wasn't saying they didn't screw up. I specifically mentioned they did. I was just commenting on the term, "cheating".
 
[citation][nom]lamorpa[/nom]Voltage. An awful lot of voltage. Power is Volts x Amps.[/citation]
[citation][nom]spartanmk2[/nom]Volts x Amps = Watts.[/citation]
Watts is a unit of measurement of power genius.

 
well look at it this way if your none the wiser .. and your gpu burns out on you .. just means you will want to upgrade sooner .. = more money for invidia .. or amd ..
 
[citation][nom]jn77[/nom]How many times has Nvidia or Nvidia's vendors done stupid things. I am sticking with ATI.... (Not AMD)[/citation]
This vender supplies AMD/ATI as well as Nvidia and it's not like AMD/ATI cards haven't had their issues in the past as well.
 
I think Nvidia doesn't want to see cards die prematurely die to overvolting & tarnish the GTX brand. Its not about them "limiting competition" its about brand image & a dead video card or heat issues isn't a good brand image.
 
This can hardly be a cheat - it's just a really dumb-ass mistake. The TL431 is totally disabled by some idiot who put the capacitor in series with it rather than in parallel with it. This results in a totally incorrect and unregulated voltage being supplied to the RT8802A power supply controller. The RT8802A is being operated with a VDD that can permanently damage it, and any overvoltage to the GPU is a side effect of this mistake. There are much better (non-idiotic) ways of overvolting the GPU.

A mistake like this should have been detected multiple ways - in design review, design checking, and hardware design verification testing. tisk tisk tisk.
 
[citation][nom]spartanmk2[/nom]Volts x Amps = Watts.[/citation]

Free overclock? Don't you mean a secret overvolt?
 
there is nothing but all you trying to degrade MSI only. this is preplanned what you people are doing against MSI....
 
hmmm.. what does this mean for people who bought these cards. I bought a 670 PE last month although has been working perfectly, I'm now worried how long it'll last...
 
[citation][nom]maxinexus[/nom]law suits for what !? A free overclock you are getting lol[/citation]

Free overclock? Don't you mean a secret overvolt?
 
Was looking into a new GPU I think I put MSI off my list now, too bad I currently have a MSI card in my computer right now too. Rather not get a "free" overvolt, I'd rather OC my GPU's at stock settings I like to keep them running cool and lasting for awhile thank you very much.
 
I dont care if they pee on the gfx cards (other then the stink it will probably have). As long as it works, thats all you should care about. Although 9.3v sounds like an easy way to fry a PCB.
 
[citation][nom]ElHarry[/nom]This can hardly be a cheat - it's just a really dumb-ass mistake. The TL431 is totally disabled by some idiot who put the capacitor in series with it rather than in parallel with it. This results in a totally incorrect and unregulated voltage being supplied to the RT8802A power supply controller. The RT8802A is being operated with a VDD that can permanently damage it, and any overvoltage to the GPU is a side effect of this mistake. There are much better (non-idiotic) ways of overvolting the GPU.A mistake like this should have been detected multiple ways - in design review, design checking, and hardware design verification testing. tisk tisk tisk.[/citation]


I would agree with your initial assessment that "This can hardly be a cheat - it's just a really dumb-ass mistake", if it weren't for the fact that MSI's response denotes that they are fully aware that they did it, even if it seems idiotic, in order to get a level of performance that, in their own words "We are currently not aware of any other vendor providing this same level of performance"
 
Wow, I guess that explains why they were ahead of the Asus models in some benchmarks. I respect MSI for trying different ways to improve performance, but it has to be done safely and openly.
 
A small component completely superfluous to the normal circuit in one of the ground connections causes major overvoltage in the PWM chip in question – instead of the 5 volts specified by Richtek, the chip is hit with up to 9.3 volts.
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What does the scouter say about the PWM's power level?
it's OVER 9000!!!! ... milivolts. 😀

Had to do it
 


so worth it :)
 
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