I used to work with a guy who told people he was building a P-51 Mustang in his garage. Guys would say "Oh, really..." and walk away. You just considered the source.
The whole competition on benchmarks thing is a bit screwed.
Anyway, I think the real fun of tweaking and benchmarking is making the most of the hardware you have. (I'm not talking about the size of one's weiner.) That's why sports have different classes. Take boxing for example - heavyweights don't go up against featherweights. I use 3DMark to see how much I can get out of <i>my</i> hardware, then compare my scores to others with comparable hardware. Then I want to see what I can do to improve my numbers, without replacing components.
There is, of course, the quest for the <i>best numbers</i>, but that requires a different approach. It means that beyond tweaking your system, you also look for the fastest/most efficient components. (So my F-16 flies faster and farther than the P-51 in that guy's garage.)
As far a FUGGER is concerned, he can talk all he wants. Unless he posts some results, he's only talkin'. If someone calling him a liar isn't enough to get him to post his numbers, then I'd assume he is lying. In a way, I feel sorry people who act this way. They're immature and insecure. Too bad.
Calling attention to outrageous claims might be fun, but it also serves a purpose. If that stuff went unchallenged, you'd have people who didn't know any better thinking that their systems were dogs 'cause they didn't get the numbers someone else is claiming in a discussion group.
The whole competition on benchmarks thing is a bit screwed.
Anyway, I think the real fun of tweaking and benchmarking is making the most of the hardware you have. (I'm not talking about the size of one's weiner.) That's why sports have different classes. Take boxing for example - heavyweights don't go up against featherweights. I use 3DMark to see how much I can get out of <i>my</i> hardware, then compare my scores to others with comparable hardware. Then I want to see what I can do to improve my numbers, without replacing components.
There is, of course, the quest for the <i>best numbers</i>, but that requires a different approach. It means that beyond tweaking your system, you also look for the fastest/most efficient components. (So my F-16 flies faster and farther than the P-51 in that guy's garage.)
As far a FUGGER is concerned, he can talk all he wants. Unless he posts some results, he's only talkin'. If someone calling him a liar isn't enough to get him to post his numbers, then I'd assume he is lying. In a way, I feel sorry people who act this way. They're immature and insecure. Too bad.
Calling attention to outrageous claims might be fun, but it also serves a purpose. If that stuff went unchallenged, you'd have people who didn't know any better thinking that their systems were dogs 'cause they didn't get the numbers someone else is claiming in a discussion group.
Excellent points, madmike. I don't get much of a thrill from comparing my 3DMark score to someone who's scoring 3,000 points better than me. The fun is in squeezing what you can out of what you have.
And as far as Fugger, it's too bad he apparently has to make unsupported claims just to try to make AMD look bad. In my book, he's now in the same category as Tonestar (remember him?). It's nice to see him called on his inflated claims.
<i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
And as far as Fugger, it's too bad he apparently has to make unsupported claims just to try to make AMD look bad. In my book, he's now in the same category as Tonestar (remember him?). It's nice to see him called on his inflated claims.
<i>Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.</i>
I did it not so much because he lied but because he INSULTED other peoples systems based on his blatant lie.
FUGGER is a troll, a moron, and has no respect on this board save for the cheers of adolation he recieves from bowser, amdmeltdown and even juin.
"fugger best is go for it amigo"~juin
~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
FUGGER is a troll, a moron, and has no respect on this board save for the cheers of adolation he recieves from bowser, amdmeltdown and even juin.
"fugger best is go for it amigo"~juin
~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
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Fugger is laughing his ass off at all these posts. Keep up all the posts and keep on feeding Fugger here. Jesh, so what, you caught Fugger lying, blantantly, isn't that expected??? Now who here hasn't lied before???? Everyone here has never told a lie before, right? I do believe most of us honor and hold high regards honesty and truth to be of high value but not everyone does nor can everyone keep that value 100% of the time. In short Fugger you fibbed and did a lousy job at it. How about cleaning up your act alittle bud. Give us some real truthful information and show us your real intelligence instead of BS. You might be able to throw us off guard and make us repent as well.
If something appears to be out of the ordinary....it usually is. I can mockup benchmark screenshots with photoshop to make them say my k62-300 is performing like a supercomputer.
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Not gone, what a loser for even claiming such a thing.
I have been very busy. unlike you girls.
Ill torture my new card tonite, so I can shut you girls up.
Fun to keep you waiting, even better to watch you talk [-peep-] about something you already lost at.
I did have a chance to see your input on some dude with raid question, I was impressed at your stupidity. change your stripe size??? LOL I wanted to respond on the road and tried to reset my password but I couldnt read my email externally to get new password.
I also need to dig up that thread on SOI, seems that thread needs some adjustments in who is actually using SOI and Apple's role in SOI. Apple has the rights and plans to buy PPC assets from Motorola.
Anyway, ready to lick my nuts?
I have been very busy. unlike you girls.
Ill torture my new card tonite, so I can shut you girls up.
Fun to keep you waiting, even better to watch you talk [-peep-] about something you already lost at.
I did have a chance to see your input on some dude with raid question, I was impressed at your stupidity. change your stripe size??? LOL I wanted to respond on the road and tried to reset my password but I couldnt read my email externally to get new password.
I also need to dig up that thread on SOI, seems that thread needs some adjustments in who is actually using SOI and Apple's role in SOI. Apple has the rights and plans to buy PPC assets from Motorola.
Anyway, ready to lick my nuts?
Noko, your half right. I am laughing my ass off.
BTW I am shooting for page one of highest scores. like I said before 9~10k non default and 8k default. no 20.80 driver, no registry edit, no speed cheat, no deselecting test, no artifacts. just a custom modded mobo and serious overclocking.
que the lemmings to chime in cramping harmony.
BTW I am shooting for page one of highest scores. like I said before 9~10k non default and 8k default. no 20.80 driver, no registry edit, no speed cheat, no deselecting test, no artifacts. just a custom modded mobo and serious overclocking.
que the lemmings to chime in cramping harmony.
LoL FUGGER, you are still a liar, and this thread attests to it, if you want to overclock your computer to hell in your custom refridgerated case, thats fine. I hope you dont melt your videocard AGAIN, LoL. My origional point, that you CANNOT get 7300 on a 1.8ghz p4 with a stock videocard is proven, and you are a liar. Your counter claim that you werent "aware" your card was running at 215/515 is also a lie, for 2 reasons
a: its hard not to notice powerstrip running and the flicker when you boot into windows when you reselect the clockspeed of your videocard, or did you think the flicker was a general p4 fault?
b: NOT EVEN WITH A CLOCK/CORE SPEED OF 215/515 can a 1.8ghz p4 break 7000 points, as your "evidence" informed you in this very thread.
In either case you are a liar, and a troll.
As for licking your nuts, you have to have some first.
Have fun tweaking your system, I hope you dont fry anything AGAIN. LoL!
~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
a: its hard not to notice powerstrip running and the flicker when you boot into windows when you reselect the clockspeed of your videocard, or did you think the flicker was a general p4 fault?
b: NOT EVEN WITH A CLOCK/CORE SPEED OF 215/515 can a 1.8ghz p4 break 7000 points, as your "evidence" informed you in this very thread.
In either case you are a liar, and a troll.
As for licking your nuts, you have to have some first.
Have fun tweaking your system, I hope you dont fry anything AGAIN. LoL!
~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
OK the whole world is waiting for your post. What kind of motherboard are you running anyway. I know a bit about posting 3dmark2001 scores so if you get stuck, me or some other people would be glad to help!!
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Yummy 
Just to make Fugger happier: I installed Windblow~1 98 back into my computer (better for DivX movies than linux) and run 3DMark2001 on it: got 980 RN(random number) out of it on 640x480 16-bit colour with all other stuff turned down 🙂 Machine was "incompatible, buggy and unstable" Duron 700, 512Mb RAM, Matrox Millenium G450 32Mb v.card (finally got rid of my sh*tty GF2MX videocard, don't want to see any Nvidia's video cards any more hehe 🙂.
I read most of this thread last night and can't believe the lengths {$$$} this "FUGGER" guy has gone thru to try and cover his ass. FUGGER if your paying attention "its not worth it", cut your losses, bend over take it like a lady, apologizse and move on.
Bump
Fugger, whats wrong, did you fry your videocard AGAIN.
This post and fuggers quest is funny, its cost us at least an hour or two of rading, but its cost FUGGER a videocard, RMA shipping fees and a whole lot of pride. LoL
Waiting for links FUGerr FAKER.
~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
Fugger, whats wrong, did you fry your videocard AGAIN.
This post and fuggers quest is funny, its cost us at least an hour or two of rading, but its cost FUGGER a videocard, RMA shipping fees and a whole lot of pride. LoL
Waiting for links FUGerr FAKER.
~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
Well I think if he could beat any of our 3DMark scores he would have posted by now..
Oh did you happen to beat my 3Dmark-2K1 yet?
I was going to try to beat my old score, but with all the forest fires around; all I can smell is smoke, and well it just feels weird to OC and smell smoke..lol. hmm Or maybe all the smoke is “Fugger” trying to get past the 3000 mark??
I did have my T-bird up to 1557MHz but my USB Key-board did not come on, so I had to un-plug it and plug it back in to get it to work at that speed, so I guess I have to say it's not stable to OC it 357MHz faster, so I'm stuck at 1440MHz,lol. I love my T-Bird
3DMark2001= 6619
<A HREF="http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?1447551" target="_new">http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?1447551</A>
27’’ case-Dual fan-Enermax350w +8 fan with thermal control Digital Doctor5
AMD 1200c @1.44GHz (10*144fsb)
Asus A7V133 KT133A
1 Dimm of 256MB Crucial PC133@144MHz Cas2-2-2
2 Maxtor 40.9=80GB ATA100@7200RPM in RAID-0
Dual-boot Win98/Win2000 PRo sp2
ASUS V8200 Deluxe GeForce3 64MB DDR
Sony 21" Trinitron
Sound Blaster Platinum 5.1 with remote.
2 full sets of Altec Lansing 495's (2.1) with 2 sub's.
Hitachi DVD drive.
Hp 9100i CD-writer
Intel Pro100 Nic (PCI)
@home cable Internet and so on...
Do you smell that? I love the smell of thermal compound in the morning
Oh did you happen to beat my 3Dmark-2K1 yet?
I was going to try to beat my old score, but with all the forest fires around; all I can smell is smoke, and well it just feels weird to OC and smell smoke..lol. hmm Or maybe all the smoke is “Fugger” trying to get past the 3000 mark??
I did have my T-bird up to 1557MHz but my USB Key-board did not come on, so I had to un-plug it and plug it back in to get it to work at that speed, so I guess I have to say it's not stable to OC it 357MHz faster, so I'm stuck at 1440MHz,lol. I love my T-Bird
3DMark2001= 6619
<A HREF="http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?1447551" target="_new">http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?1447551</A>
27’’ case-Dual fan-Enermax350w +8 fan with thermal control Digital Doctor5
AMD 1200c @1.44GHz (10*144fsb)
Asus A7V133 KT133A
1 Dimm of 256MB Crucial PC133@144MHz Cas2-2-2
2 Maxtor 40.9=80GB ATA100@7200RPM in RAID-0
Dual-boot Win98/Win2000 PRo sp2
ASUS V8200 Deluxe GeForce3 64MB DDR
Sony 21" Trinitron
Sound Blaster Platinum 5.1 with remote.
2 full sets of Altec Lansing 495's (2.1) with 2 sub's.
Hitachi DVD drive.
Hp 9100i CD-writer
Intel Pro100 Nic (PCI)
@home cable Internet and so on...
Do you smell that? I love the smell of thermal compound in the morning
Here's Tom's test of the new VIA board (no overclocking):
CPU AMD Athlon 1333 MHz (133 MHz FSB)
Motherboard 3 VIA VT5577A (KT266A)
Memory 2x 128 MB DDR-SDRAM, CL2, 133 MHz Micron
Graphics Card GeForce 3
Memory: 64 MB DDR-SDRAM
Memory Clock: 460 MHz
Core Clock: 200 MHz
Hard Drive 30 GB (IBM 307030)
UDMA100 7200 RPM, 2 MB Cache
The 3dmark2001 score: 6889
(in 1024 X 768 and 32 bit color)
This is getting close to the Fugger magic "7500"! All that's needed are new Detonator drivers to hit 7500!
CPU AMD Athlon 1333 MHz (133 MHz FSB)
Motherboard 3 VIA VT5577A (KT266A)
Memory 2x 128 MB DDR-SDRAM, CL2, 133 MHz Micron
Graphics Card GeForce 3
Memory: 64 MB DDR-SDRAM
Memory Clock: 460 MHz
Core Clock: 200 MHz
Hard Drive 30 GB (IBM 307030)
UDMA100 7200 RPM, 2 MB Cache
The 3dmark2001 score: 6889
(in 1024 X 768 and 32 bit color)
This is getting close to the Fugger magic "7500"! All that's needed are new Detonator drivers to hit 7500!
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