Need to choose b/w AGP X850pro and 6800GT :(

[TurdBurglar]

All I'm saying is figure out where the op is, what prices are, and how the cards actually perform before you go telling him that one option is absolutely better than another.

 

[pengwin]

turdburglar
first of all let me say f*** you!
in aus the 7900gt is usually around 450$
the x1800xt usually around 600$

hes right. U give false advise.

this is from another thread

the 7900gt is better performance and value than the x1800xt
it also uses less power and runs cooler Cool

u should be able to trust the card if not go with an asus or gigabyte maybe
and theres nothin wrong with ati cards

better performance. WRONG!
cheaper? WRONG!

X1800Xt $259 - $30 rebate = $129
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102008

7900GT $261.99 no rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130028


obviously its cheaper and performs better. U give lousy advice, get ur facts right then post.

 

[Giraffe]

shut the fck up penguin go bak to antarctica

 

[angry_ducky]

The 6800XT is the lowest of the whole 6800 range, below even the standard 6800. The X850Pro is like an X850XT, except with lower core/RAM speeds, and four pipes locked. If you can get a 6800GT, then I'd get that over the X850Pro, but if you can only get the XT, the get the X850Pro.

 

[pengwin]

shut the fck up penguin go bak to antarctica

see, noobs resort to cursing when they have lost.


Its alright buddy, pointing out a fact, no reason to get pissed.

 

[Giraffe]

yeah well we dont all live in us and get stuf from newegg do we?

 

[pengwin]

yeah well we dont all live in us and get stuf from newegg do we?

ur a dumbass, stop posting.

this is an australian website.

7900GT - $485.30
http://www.techbuy.com.au/products/62035/VIDEOCARDS_GEFORCE_PCI-EXPRESS_SERIES/Galaxy/-/GeForce_7900_GT_GDDR3_256MB_PCI-Express.asp

X1800XT - $366.15
http://www.techbuy.com.au/products/63274/VIDEOCARDS_RADEON_PCI-EXPRESS_SERIES/PowerColor/47108109-39341/Radeon_X1800XT_256MB_Dual_DVI_VIVO_PCI-Ex16.asp


i want to add something.

OWNED! Stand DOWN BITCH!

 

[Giraffe]

7900gt = 508$
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=93_26&products_id=18490
x1800xt = 668$
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=93_26&products_id=17573

there

 

[pengwin]

yeah well they dont sell it here anymore so the places that do sell it cheap

OWNED!!!!

so once again, you, give false advice so stfu and leave the forum.


asshole.

 

[nukemaster]

Also the Built By Ati X850pro can have the 4 pipes unlocked with a bios flash in most cases

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/100

EDIT

Here in Canada!!!!

EVGA E-GEFORCE 7900 GT KO - $319.99 CAD
Rebate - $30.00 CAD
Total - $289.99 CADhttp://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18307&vpn=256-P2-N564-AX&manufacture=eVGA&promoid=1048

ATI Radeon X1800XT - $349.98 CAD

 

[Giraffe]

what do u know penguin u live in antarctica not australia

 

[pengwin]

what do u know u live in antarctica not australia

ok, once again, the more you talk the stupider i will make you look..


As stated above im smarter than you.

So supposedly i live on a barren iceworld where there are no schools and im smarter than you..


Congrats ur stupider than a flightless bird.

 

[Giraffe]

yay

 

[plewis00_uk]

Yes, and there is a good chance that the 6800XT can be unlocked to 16P/6VP from 8P/4VP, even then though it won't be in the same league as a 6800GT because that has 1.1Ghz DDR3 RAM and the XT has only 700Mhz DDR1.

Personally I'd go for the 6800XT, and risk that it can be fully unlocked, it has newer graphics technology and after I got done with my X800GTO, I will only go NVidia for the time being. Given that a vanilla 6800 (12P/5VP) outperforms my X800GTO (which is similar speed and spec to an X850Pro), you can almost definitely unlock the 6800XT to 12P/5VP. Money you save on the 6800XT can go towards a better cooling setup for it. The ATi X8xx series of cards seem to put out immense amounts of heat even when idle and in 2D modes.

 

[nukemaster]

The ATi X8xx series of cards seem to put out immense amounts of heat even when idle and in 2D modes.

wont argue that one....i mean 38.6 idle is hot for an after market cooler.....
60 @ load

With the stock it was like 50 idle
87 to 92 load....

I am not sure what a stock 79xx runs at?

 

[plewis00_uk]

79xx series have very good coolers which run both quietly and cool. They are all copper and you can tell how much faith NVidia puts in them from their small size. I don't know the temperature it runs at but when I last installed one in a PC it was not hugely hot to the touch, I think under 40C idle (when I read the core temperature readout). My Gecube X800GTO with a massive Uniwise, heatpiped copper cooler and in this heat seems to be doing 50-60C idle, though admittedly this is in an SFF PC (but that SFF PC is powered by a low-heat Pentium M). I'm pretty sure when I come round to upgrade it's going to be to a 7900GT and I want to have a Core 2 Duo in it too (because single-core just doesn't cut it any more).

 

[pengwin]

7900gt = 508$
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=93_26&products_id=18490
x1800xt = 668$
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=93_26&products_id=17573

there

u kno ur comparing a 512MB version to a 256mb.

 

[4745454b]

Pay attention, the voice of reason is about to speak...
This website has a wonderful interactive tool that lets you compare various parts. It has one for Video cards. They don't list either of your cards, so I picked ones I think might be close.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=311&model2=298&chart=93
Ok, I lied, you said 6800GT, so I picked that. Only one person has mentioned it so far, and there has be too much personal bickering, so I'll say it again. The 6800XT is NOT the same as a 6800GT. Order of 6800s from lowest to highest is, XT, GS, GT, Ultra. (is there a "normal" version? just 6800?)
Toms video card compare doesn't have the 850pro, and the XT PE would be faster. I picked an x800XT version, hoping they are close. As you can see from the graph, the only x800 card to lose to a REAL 6800GT, is the XL version. (a x800GTO would lose also.) With this being the case, and unless you want to do some overclocking/modding, your best bet is to grab a x800(non XL) If you are into modding, you might want to grab an x800GTO, or XL, and mod it into a pro/XT.

 

[xfilesguy]

[/quote]Well I now know tht the XFX 6800 Xtreme card is basically a 6800XT and nt GT as I had believed earlier
So after all the fuss, the main question becomes: a 6800XT vs. X850pro vs. X800 XL
The specs for 6800XT are given here:
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?productConfigurationId=268341
X800 XL:
http://shopati.ca/product.asp?sku=2984012
X850pro:
http://shopati.ca/product.asp?sku=2699206
I suppose tht 6800XT is nt as gud as the other 2? Just to clarify, I'm nt thinking of any modding/OCing so plz look at the specs as given.
Thanx..

 

[pauldh]

The X850 pro, X800XL, and 6800GT are all about equal performers, trading blows depending on the game/settings. The 6800XT is not even close; way behind.

Study these charts and the various resolutions & eye candy to compare the three cards. You will see all are competetive with one another. One note however is that the X800XL in these review seems to be an exotic. it would perform the same stock, but I would not count on a regular X800XL overclocking as high as theirs did. Overclocked I think the X850 pro would probably beat the XL. Also note, the 6800 in this review is a 12-pipe better than the 6800XT and look how bad it gets spanked by these other cards as the resolution increases.

If you could get a used 6800GT (16-pipe) for $150 or less, then that would be a good way of getting an SM3.0 card of about equal performance to those two ATI's. BUT, as a 6800U owner I totally feel SM3.0 isn't a big deal for the GF6 series cards. They simply are too weak to really take advantage of the extra possible eye candy like HDR, and the performance boost they should be getting from running that codepath just helps them be equal to the X8xx comparative cards.

SO to me, the best AGP choices would be the new X850 pro from ATI for $139 shipped free. The refurbished X800XL for $119+$15 shipping is a good option too as ATI seems to be real generous on their refurb warranties. Or a used 6800GT for that price. Avoid X800GTO's, GF6800 & 6800GS 12-pipe, and GF 6800XT 8-pipe......NONE of these cards touch the first three mentioned.

I just recently ordered the X850 pro as for $5 more shipped over the XL, it's brand new and I hope to OC it to beyond what the XL could do. Also, I can afford to wait the 2-3 weeks before it will ship. If you need it now, get the XL.

 

[plewis00_uk]

If you unlocked the 6800XT you would probably be onto a winner. The X850 cards clock higher than the X800 due to a newer core but that's about it, I'm still not convinced the X850Pro (12-pipe) is faster than the X800XL (16-pipe with lower clocks).

What have you got against the 6800GS? It's basically a highly-clocked 12-pipe card which remains largely competitive with the 6800GT (16 pipes).

It would seem to me that everyone has overlooked one card though, which is the 7600GT. I think that would wipe the floor with most of these cards. I don't know what it costs in the US, but in the UK it is a similar price to all the cards mentioned so far and I'm pretty sure it's what I'm gonna get when I finally find a Core-compatible SFF and make the move to DDR2 and PCIe.

 

[pauldh]

We are talking AGP, so no 7600GT(yet?). It makes for a whole different ball game as AGP pricing/availability is lousy compared to PCI-e.

In it's AGP form, the 6800GS is clocked lower and loses to a X800GTO at stock speeds. But Yes, in PCI-e, the 6800GS is clocked higher and is equal or sometimes better to a 6800GT. I am just not a fan of the AGP 6800GS; too slow for it's pricetag. These X850& X800XL AGP deals from ATI are just much better than what's been out there for quite a while in AGP. NV"s comparably priced AGP cards are 6600GT and 6800XT which are no where near the same perfomance league. I wouldn't put much faith in unlocking an 8-pipe card to 16-pipes without any hitch, and even so the X850pro & X800XL are already 6800GT class cards without any mods. Hopefully 7600GS and 7600GT AGP will hit the scene soon; maybe that's why ATI is unloading it's X8xx's now.

Oh, and I didn't say X850 pro is faster than X800XL. I said they are about the same. Stock the X800XL may even edge out the X850 pro, but not by much. Overclocked, I'd think the average X850 pro would outperform the average X800XL as so many of the XL's have little headroom on the core clocks.

 

[plewis00_uk]

There goes me overlooking the title, didn't see the AGP in it.

I think there are 7600GS cards on the way. In theory, a 7600GT should be easy to produce as it is pin-compatible with the 6600GT. Surprised no-one has done it yet.

Looks like on AGP, an X850Pro or X800XL really will be the best bet then.

 

[ashrym]

My vote is for the X850 Pro. If it has Vivo functionality, it can be modded to an X850 XT PE (16/6) . Stock - it's beats the 6800 GT in most cases and is comparable to the X800 XL. I'd like to give a longer input, but I have to get out of here. Hope the helped.

 

[Liquidus]

I'm planning to buy a new AGP video card that'll last me a few years to replace my old 9800 PRO. Before I read this post I was looking at the Radeon X850XT on Newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102570

It's been going in and out of stock for a long time now, a lot of people are probably buying. The price tag is pretty high though at $240. Do you think I should get that or the Radexon x800XL/X850pro? I don't mind overclocking as long as it's all software done, I don't want to mess with heatsinks. Also, are there any possible problems with ordering something refurbished?

Has a 7600GT AGP or 7600 GS been confirmed?