Question new build need help and advices

[milleniumxxx]

hey guys in june iam about to switch to pc and its my first time to build one with a 3600 + 1660 super for only 1080p60fps pure gaming.

my question is it a good choice to build it at that moment ? iam scared to build it and just in septembre when new amd stuff comme's out i'll have to rebuy another cpu+gpu

or should i wait until September and build one iam very tight on budget i have been saving for months i don't wanna be despointed at the same time i want to play so bad current games (note i didn't play a lot of games on console )

budget is 1000$ in September i can save up to 1200$ is it worth it ?

 

[milleniumxxx]

hey guys in june iam about to switch to pc and its my first time to build one with a 3600 + 1660 super for only 1080p60fps pure gaming.

my question is it a good choice to build it at that moment ? iam scared to build it and just in septembre when new amd stuff comme's out i'll have to rebuy another cpu+gpu

or should i wait until September and build one iam very tight on budget i have been saving for months i don't wanna be despointed at the same time i want to play so bad current games (note i didn't play a lot of games on console )

budget is 1000$ in September i can save up to 1200$ is it worth it ?

 

[Nemesia]

So you already have a 1080p 60Hz monitor and you do not need a new one or a new monitor is included in that budget? Like a 1080p 120/144Hz?

 

[Shektron]

hey guys in june iam about to switch to pc and its my first time to build one with a 3600 + 1660 super for only 1080p60fps pure gaming.

my question is it a good choice to build it at that moment ? iam scared to build it and just in septembre when new amd stuff comme's out i'll have to rebuy another cpu+gpu

or should i wait until September and build one iam very tight on budget i have been saving for months i don't wanna be despointed at the same time i want to play so bad current games (note i didn't play a lot of games on console )

budget is 1000$ in September i can save up to 1200$ is it worth it ?

For 60 FPS gaming, you definitely don't need to upgrade the CPU in September, but I think you should still save up more money and instead buy an 8-core Ryzen CPU, because it will last you much longer in new and demanding AAA games, because some games that you can play today can even make use of 12 threads, so a few years down the line even 12 threads might start to limit your experience, so it's best to play safe and get an 8 core 16 thread instead.

As for GPU, there really is no limit to the wait, you buy something today, and I can guarantee that within 6 months somethings faster for the same price will be released, so there's not really much point in waiting, mostly because your budget doesn't allow for an RTX GPU. If your budget was enough for an RTX 2060, maybe waiting would have been better as the upcoming GPU's from Nvidia apparently have serious increase in Ray Tracing performance, but at your budget I would say go with whatever fastest GPU you can afford at the time of building.

If you want to build the PC today and also want an 8 core, I would suggest getting a CPU from previous gen Ryzen, like the Ryzen 7 2700X, the difference in performance at 60 FPS will be basically nonexistent. The faster clock speed and IPC of Ryzen 3000 only helps in 120+ FPS scenarios, at 60 FPS the 2700X would be a better choice since you don't need a lot of clock speed, but the 8 cores will be beneficial in the future.

 

[milleniumxxx]

So you already have a 1080p 60Hz monitor and you do not need a new one or a new monitor is included in that budget? Like a 1080p 120/144Hz?

yes exact i already have a monitor ,no i don't needa new one i used to game on console so 60fps is really enough for me

 

[Shektron]

You can get this configuration, will cost $1000 and you get the Ryzen 3700X :

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($93.19 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.88 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card ($229.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1002.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-21 23:51 EDT-0400

 

[Hellfire13]

hey guys in june iam about to switch to pc and its my first time to build one with a 3600 + 1660 super for only 1080p60fps pure gaming.

my question is it a good choice to build it at that moment ? iam scared to build it and just in septembre when new amd stuff comme's out i'll have to rebuy another cpu+gpu

or should i wait until September and build one iam very tight on budget i have been saving for months i don't wanna be despointed at the same time i want to play so bad current games (note i didn't play a lot of games on console )

budget is 1000$ in September i can save up to 1200$ is it worth it ?

If you have waited this long and not too hard pressed to purchase immediately, it would be wiser to wait till September. Already Intel new gen. processors are launching and the new Zen gen. will have a lot of improvements to offer like 8-channel DDR4 memory, New process tech: 7 nm Plus, Uses EUV (extreme ultraviolet) silicon fabrication node at TSMC, 20% increase in transistor density, 10% lower power consumption, Up to 15% IPC improvement + more from higher clock frequencies, Up to 50% faster floating point, Redesigned chiplets with 32+ MB shared L3 on each chiplet, as opposed to 2x 16 MB shared between CCX groups, etc.

 

[kevinburrow]

I think for a budget over a $1000 you can do better than a 1660 Super. It's already been said but stock is a bit crazy right now and prices are also a bit out of whack. However, here's what I would do with $1000:


PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 3 3300X 3.8 GHz Quad-Core Processor | $120.00
Motherboard | MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard | $115.00
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $84.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $70.00 @ Amazon
Storage | Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $59.53 @ Amazon
Video Card | ASRock Radeon RX 5700 8 GB CHALLENGER D OC Video Card | $397.95 @ Amazon
Case | Phanteks Eclipse P360X ATX Mid Tower Case | $79.88 @ Amazon
Power Supply | EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $70.54 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $997.89
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-22 00:16 EDT-0400 |

The main focus was getting a better GPU whilst maintaining quality elsewhere. 3300X performs only just a bit lower than the 3600 and is the new price to performance king, allowing you a significantly better GPU which will increase gaming performance a lot on newer titles. Admittedly it might not make much difference in some games when you are restricted by a 60mhz monitor, but you should be able to 'ultra' just about any game at 1080p.

 

[Shektron]

I think for a budget over a $1000 you can do better than a 1660 Super. It's already been said but stock is a bit crazy right now and prices are also a bit out of whack. However, here's what I would do with $1000:


PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 3 3300X 3.8 GHz Quad-Core Processor | $120.00
Motherboard | MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard | $115.00
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $84.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $70.00 @ Amazon
Storage | Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $59.53 @ Amazon
Video Card | ASRock Radeon RX 5700 8 GB CHALLENGER D OC Video Card | $397.95 @ Amazon
Case | Phanteks Eclipse P360X ATX Mid Tower Case | $79.88 @ Amazon
Power Supply | EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $70.54 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $997.89
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-22 00:16 EDT-0400 |

The main focus was getting a better GPU whilst maintaining quality elsewhere. 3300X performs only just a bit lower than the 3600 and is the new price to performance king, allowing you a significantly better GPU which will increase gaming performance a lot on newer titles. Admittedly it might not make much difference in some games when you are restricted by a 60mhz monitor, but you should be able to 'ultra' just about any game at 1080p.

Firstly, buying a quad core CPU in 2020, for AAA gaming, that too with a $1000 budget, is a fool's errand. Secondly, that PSU is severely inadequate for a PC of this caliber. That PSU is meant for office PC's, maybe an APU system or something with a GT 1030. An RX 5700 with that PSU is like trying to run an 18 wheeler on wheels from a Ferrari.

 

[kevinburrow]

Firstly, buying a quad core CPU in 2020, for AAA gaming, that too with a $1000 budget, is a fool's errand. Secondly, that PSU is severely inadequate for a PC of this caliber. That PSU is meant for office PC's, maybe an APU system or something with a GT 1030. An RX 5700 with that PSU is like trying to run an 18 wheeler on wheels from a Ferrari.

The 3300X has been extremely well reviewed by everyone who has reviewed it, and basically performs at just under 3600 levels for most games. In my view you get more performance gains on average from this CPU with a 5700XT than you do with a 3600 and 1660 Super.

That PSU has very good reviews. It wouldn't be my first choice but I tried to squeeze the budget under a grand. Ideally I'd prefer to spend ober $100 on a PSU, and would advise that if it's afforable. I think you exaggerate a bit, to be fair.

 

[Shektron]

The 3300X has been extremely well reviewed by everyone who has reviewed it, and basically performs at just under 3600 levels for most games. In my view you get more performance gains on average from this CPU with a 5700XT than you do with a 3600 and 1660 Super.

That PSU has very good reviews. It wouldn't be my first choice but I tried to squeeze the budget under a grand. Ideally I'd prefer to spend ober $100 on a PSU, and would advise that if it's afforable. I think you exaggerate a bit, to be fair.

I'm sure the 3300X has great value and the charts of the reviewers show some great numbers for the chip, but the fact of the matter is that a quad core chip does not perform well in demanding AAA games even today, let alone on the future. Games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey, BFV, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Ghost Recon Breakpoint, etc all can use up to 12 threads, and on a quad core, while the average and 1% lows look great on a graph, the real performance is not great as there are stutters, drops, and overall the smoothness and frametimes are all over the place, and it is not a great experience. And this is in games released this year or previous year, so it will only get worse in future games. Even 6 core processors with 12 threads can sometimes hit 90-100% usage in some areas of AAA games, so you can imagine how a quad core would perform.

The GPU you chose can easily be labelled as a mid range GPU, and the PSU you chose is, like I said, meant for office PC's. I really am not exaggerating. The PSU is one of the most important parts of a system for stability, and saying you had to "squeeze it into the budget" are famous last words. A good PSU is the first thing I personally take into consideration while recommending parts, because you can have the fastest system in the world but it won't even play Minesweeper if the PSU goes bust.

 

[kevinburrow]

Well I haven't seen anyone say there's issues of stuttering. I'm willing to see any reviews which say that? The OP does not mention only playing AAA titles in any case. On most games, most of the time, the better GPU vs CPU will deliver better performance than a better CPU vs GPU.

There's a million 3300X vs 3600 videos on YT for anyone to watch and make their own mind up as to whether it's worth the $50 saving.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1153&v=Sq0OHhRQwA8&feature=emb_logo


This is pertinent given that it's largely based on one of the games you suggested. The conclusion at 19:00 supports my decision, I feel. BTW I would sooner recommend the 1600AF if it was the price it should be.



I take your point on the PSU, even though the reviews don't suggest the timebomb you envisage.

 

[Hellfire13]

First, for that budget, a quad core is not recommended.
Second, when you have better gaming chips from Intel now, why go with AMD??? Until Zen 3 in September, Intel is new gaming king clock per clock.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-10400 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor | $189.99 @ Best Buy
Motherboard | ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard | $144.99 @ Newegg
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $82.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $64.98 @ Amazon
Storage | Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $52.49 @ Adorama
Video Card | XFX Radeon RX 5700 8 GB DD Ultra Video Card | $329.99 @ Best Buy
Case | Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case | $51.71 @ Amazon
Power Supply | Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $79.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1002.13
| Mail-in rebates | -$5.00
| Total | $997.13
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-22 03:12 EDT-0400 |


And ofcourse that PSU is garbage.

 

[kevinburrow]

A 7% advantage is not worth $70 ($100 if you include the mobo) in my view.

 

[Hellfire13]

A 7% advantage is not worth $70 ($100 if you include the mobo) in my view.

That is not an accurate indicator of price to performance. It also doesn't take into consideration the upgrade path. Add to that, those are synthetic figures not applicable in real world scenarios.

You will find a more accurate indicator here when its listed...
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/desktop.html

Add to that the cheaper boards will be available in about a month bringing that price down further...
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-b460-motherboards-could-land-with-overclocking-functionality

 

[Shektron]

Well I haven't seen anyone say there's issues of stuttering. I'm willing to see any reviews which say that? The OP does not mention only playing AAA titles in any case. On most games, most of the time, the better GPU vs CPU will deliver better performance than a better CPU vs GPU.

There's a million 3300X vs 3600 videos on YT for anyone to watch and make their own mind up as to whether it's worth the $50 saving.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1153&v=Sq0OHhRQwA8&feature=emb_logo


This is pertinent given that it's largely based on one of the games you suggested. The conclusion at 19:00 supports my decision, I feel. BTW I would sooner recommend the 1600AF if it was the price it should be.



I take your point on the PSU, even though the reviews don't suggest the timebomb you envisage.

Here's a video, it's long but it clearly states what I am claiming, and you can look at the frametime graph in the overlay and see the amount of unsteadiness in frametimes, compared to his other videos where he uses an 8 core or 6 core CPU, especially in the demanding games. Those little variations in the frametimes don't show up in charts, but when you actually play the game, you can feel them very clearly. The statement of relevance starts at about the 5:30 mark:

I would also recommend listening in at around the 20:50 mark, and you'll hear more evidence supporting my claim.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSAsqeT4dqY

 

[kevinburrow]

Here's a video, it's long but it clearly states what I am claiming, and you can look at the frametime graph in the overlay and see the amount of unsteadiness in frametimes, compared to his other videos where he uses an 8 core or 6 core CPU, especially in the demanding games. Those little variations in the frametimes don't show up in charts, but when you actually play the game, you can feel them very clearly. The statement of relevance starts at about the 5:30 mark:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSAsqeT4dqY

So why does he recommend the 3300X for 1080p gaming up to and including 2060 Super/5700XT? To me the difference between the 5700XT/1660 Super is greater than that between 3300X and 3600.

 

[kevinburrow]

Price/performance listed as N/A there. Of course the real world

That is not an accurate indicator of price to performance. It also doesn't take into consideration the upgrade path. Add to that, those are synthetic figures not applicable in real world scenarios.

You will find a more accurate indicator here when its listed...
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/desktop.html

Add to that the cheaper boards will be available in about a month bringing that price down further...
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-b460-motherboards-could-land-with-overclocking-functionality

We will wait and see, but the site I garnered the information from suggested a 7% difference. In any case, I stand by what I said in the above post, especially given that he has a 60hz monitor.

 

[Shektron]

So why does he recommend the 3300X for 1080p gaming up to and including 2060 Super/5700XT? To me the difference between the 5700XT/1660 Super is greater than that between 3300X and 3600.

You've obviously not watched the whole video then, can you tell me where he recommends the 3300X?

 

[kevinburrow]

You've obviously not watched the whole video then, can you tell me where he recommends the 3300X?

At the specific point I mentioned - where at 19:00 he states the 3300X is fine for those looking to play at higher settings at 1080p at 100fps or so rather than competitive gamers looking for insane framerates. That would be the OP, presumably.

 

[kevinburrow]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s4Qg24-YFo


This was the one that I remembered watching a couple weeks back. Very relevant.

 

[Hellfire13]

We will wait and see, but the site I garnered the information from suggested a 7% difference.

You just googled 3600 vs 10400 and clicked on the first link which is...
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-Intel-Core-i5-10400/4040vs4073
And as I said, it is just a reference figure not indicative of true potential.

 

[Shektron]

At the specific point I mentioned - where at 19:00 he states the 3300X is fine for those looking to play at higher settings at 1080p at 100fps or so rather than competitive gamers looking for insane framerates. That would be the OP, presumably.

See, it's not about the maximum FPS you can get on a quad core - many games run fine on quad cores, but the question is whether all quad cores can play every game smoothly, to which the answer is no, as highlighted in the video I shared. Many current AAA titles see stutters and drops in FPS when in certain demanding areas, if running on a quad core, but run just fine on 6 or 8 core processors. It's not about the average FPS - it's about the smoothness and consistency of the FPS. 1% and 0.1% lows are one indicator of this, but the fact of the matter is that stuttering and frame pacing issues can only be seen when you actually play the game yourself, and not in some numbers on a bar chart. And honestly, considering how much even an 8 core costs today, it would be - pardon my language - stupid to recommend a quad core to anyone wanting to play AAA games, reviewer or otherwise. I suppose it could be justified if you are on a tight budget, but with a $1000 budget, it really isn't a smart move.

 

[milleniumxxx]

hey guys iam going to build my first pc for 1080p60fps pure gaming iam hesitating between rx5700 vs rx 5700xt is the diffrence big ? most important question is how long the longevety diffrence will be in upcomong games ? i don't wanna spend more so at the end they will die at almost the same year
note in my country there is 50$ equivalent diffrence
the gpu will be paired wiht a r5 3600

 

[richiestang_78]

Both are over kill for a 1080P 60fps machine. The 1650 Super or better yet the 1660 Super are both more then enough for 1080P 60fps.