[SOLVED] New Cpu choice

[Ij6969]

hey. im tryng to upgrade to ryzen from my old core i3, i have the r5 1600 af and the r5 2600 in mind but i also was thinking about the ryzen 2700, im not going to be streaming or editing just playing video games im leaving the r7 as my last option. And for the motherboard, What would be the best sub $100 b450 board. im considering the b450 aourus elite or b450 tomahawk, or should i consider the asus rog b450-f.

 

[Darkbreeze]

The B450 Tomahawk is the best B450 board under 150 dollars. At 150 to 200 dollars the Gaming pro carbon AC is probably the next best choice and it pains me to say that because I have historically not been a fan of MSI, but the fact is these boards have terrific VRM configurations and they just don't have the problems many other boards in this price range have. These are probably the best budget oriented boards we've seen in five years.

What country are you in that you are considering a first or second Gen Ryzen rather than a 3rd Gen model? Are you looking to buy new or used?

What is your full budget for a motherboard and CPU and do you already have DDR4 or is your current system a DDR3 platform?

 

[Ij6969]

The B450 Tomahawk is the best B450 board under 150 dollars. At 150 to 200 dollars the Gaming pro carbon AC is probably the next best choice and it pains me to say that because I have historically not been a fan of MSI, but the fact is these boards have terrific VRM configurations and they just don't have the problems many other boards in this price range have. These are probably the best budget oriented boards we've seen in five years.

What country are you in that you are considering a first or second Gen Ryzen rather than a 3rd Gen model? Are you looking to buy new or used?

What is your full budget for a motherboard and CPU and do you already have DDR4 or is your current system a DDR3 platform?

I live in the USA and I’m considering buying new but I could go used just tell me what would be my best option. My old i3 system has ddr3 and I don’t have more $130 to spend on a motherboard

 

[Endre]

hey. im tryng to upgrade to ryzen from my old core i3, i have the r5 1600 af and the r5 2600 in mind but i also was thinking about the ryzen 2700, im not going to be streaming or editing just playing video games im leaving the r7 as my last option. And for the motherboard, What would be the best sub $100 b450 board. im considering the b450 aourus elite or b450 tomahawk, or should i consider the asus rog b450-f.

If all you do is gaming, you could buy the i7-9700K CPU.

As for motherboard, I’d choose something more “legit”, like Gigabyte’s Z390 Aorus Pro.

For memory, 2x8GB DDR4-2666 is just enough for gamers, on Intel platforms.

 

[mdd1963]

If in the adequate funding range of the R7-2700, the R5-3600 is quite close in price to that....and faster at everything, especially gaming.

 

[Ij6969]

If in the adequate funding range of the R7-2700, the R5-3600 is quite close in price to that....and faster at everything, especially gaming.

Amazon currently has a combo deal of the Asus strix b450-f and r5 2600 for $222 should I just go for that instead

 

[Darkbreeze]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($110.34 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $304.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 23:14 EST-0500


Or, the much better choice would be this.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($174.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.89 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $363.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 23:15 EST-0500


The bundle you mentioned would work as well, but you will still need to get memory and honestly, if you're going to spend 300 bucks anyhow, it makes a lot more sense to just spend 65 bucks more and get a system that will remain relevant for a lot longer than that 2nd Gen Ryzen would. Obviously, that is down to your own choice and finances.

 

[Ij6969]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($110.34 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $304.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 23:14 EST-0500


Or, the much better choice would be this.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($174.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.89 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $363.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 23:15 EST-0500


The bundle you mentioned would work as well, but you will still need to get memory and honestly, if you're going to spend 300 bucks anyhow, it makes a lot more sense to just spend 65 bucks more and get a system that will remain relevant for a lot longer than that 2nd Gen Ryzen would. Obviously, that is down to your own choice and finances.

But is the 3600 really worth it for those 65 I don’t do any cpu intensive tasks so is the 2600 just fine for 1080p gaming

 

[Darkbreeze]

Especially for gaming, you would want the 3600. It has MUCH stronger single core performance and even today there are a lot more games that can use a strong single core to full advantage than there are games that are optimized well for highly threaded performance. Some, but not all, or even most, at least not beyond a few. So having both strong cores and many of them, is definitely a good thing.

2nd Gen Ryzen like the 2600 has single core performance that is only about on par with the 3rd Gen Intel 3770k, while the 3600 has single core performance that is almost identical to that of the Intel 9th Gen 9700k. So yes, there is a HUGE difference in gaming performance between the 2600 and 3600, well beyond the 65 dollar difference.

People with Ryzen 5 2600 CPUs are and have been upgrading to 3rd Gen Ryzen processors like the 3600, 3600x and 3700x for a reason. That reason is that the performance is an exceptional leap between generations like we've seldom seen before aside from one or two occasions historically.

If you are only looking for 60fps at 1080p, and nothing more, then the 2600 will MOSTLY do what you want it to do, but if you are looking for anything beyond that, or do not want to encounter ANY games where you are not able to achieve that, then it would be 65 bucks worth spending.

 

[OllympianGamer]

Especially for gaming, you would want the 3600. It has MUCH stronger single core performance and even today there are a lot more games that can use a strong single core to full advantage than there are games that are optimized well for highly threaded performance. Some, but not all, or even most, at least not beyond a few. So having both strong cores and many of them, is definitely a good thing.

2nd Gen Ryzen like the 2600 has single core performance that is only about on par with the 3rd Gen Intel 3770k, while the 3600 has single core performance that is almost identical to that of the Intel 9th Gen 9700k. So yes, there is a HUGE difference in gaming performance between the 2600 and 3600, well beyond the 65 dollar difference.

People with Ryzen 5 2600 CPUs are and have been upgrading to 3rd Gen Ryzen processors like the 3600, 3600x and 3700x for a reason. That reason is that the performance is an exceptional leap between generations like we've seldom seen before aside from one or two occasions historically.

If you are only looking for 60fps at 1080p, and nothing more, then the 2600 will MOSTLY do what you want it to do, but if you are looking for anything beyond that, or do not want to encounter ANY games where you are not able to achieve that, then it would be 65 bucks worth spending.

Dude lay off the 2600!
You are right but I dont think the difference will be so pronounced with a mid tier gpu. I ran a 2600 with a vega 56 and never felt gimped with any game I played, like in bf5 was running it well over 100fps on ultra 1080p.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Thanks for your opinion. It doesn't really hold that much water though based on the facts.

According to Passmark it has about a 40% increase in single core performance over the 2600 and about a 47% increase in multithreaded performance. While we know that the Passmark scores are not singularly reflective of overall gaming performance results, they are a fairly accurate metric of overall performance in general. So even if you take five to ten percent away for the sake of argument, the difference is still very significant.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...yzen-5-2600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/2vs3243vs3481



Average 20FPS difference in AC:Odyssey, 23FPS difference in BF5, 28FPS difference in Division 2, 20FPS difference in WWZ.

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Those are pretty significant and fairly consistent results. So, like I said, the 2600 is fine depending on your settings and expectations but you can't go into it believing that it is going to be extremely capable of high FPS on titles that are anything more than moderately CPU intensive. It is an ok choice AND yes, it is cheap. So it has those two things going for it. For the 65 dollar difference, seems stupid to buy a part that is already years obsolete by today's standards. It's like INSTALLING a need to already upgrade, which will cost a lot more than just the 65 dollar difference that exists now, to do it later.

 

[Ij6969]

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Dude lay off the 2600!
You are right but I dont think the difference will be so pronounced with a mid tier gpu. I ran a 2600 with a vega 56 and never felt gimped with any game I played, like in bf5 was running it well over 100fps on ultra 1080p.

Yep I decide to choose The 2600 since I’m only using an rx 570

 

[Darkbreeze]

It really doesn't matter about what graphics card you're using, it matters as far as how many FPS do you expect to be capable of while running at whatever preset or settings you settle on for the card. The card will give you extra eye candy at a given resolution. The CPU is going to mainly determine how many frames are going to be sent to the display every second.

Even so, the 2600 should still be a nice improvement over your old i3.