New CPU freaky problems HELP

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Hey there, ok so I just got a new CPU, Video card and zalman cooler off newegg.com.

(links to items)
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116171" target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116171</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130203" target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130203</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118113" target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118113</A>

I have an ABIT IS7 motherboard that I got roughly 8 months ago at fry's (before the invention of PCI express, kinda bugs me) but for specification purposes here is the same board at newegg <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127155" target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127155</A>

On to the problem!

Ok the whole deal seems fairly random, basically my computer will just decide to not launch any more applications at some point. If they are open when this 'crash' occurs it doesn't matter; it will keep running them just fine. However if I attempt to launch 'any' new ones (even the task manager :mad: ) it will give me the hourglass for about 5 seconds and then turn back into a cursor where I wait infinitly for an application that will never launch.

Theres 2 clues I do have though. 1 is when I go in for the restart praying this is a one time freaky thing and it will never happen again, task manager pops up and attempts to quit all the applications it failed to launch earlier.

The second thing (and also why I post on the CPU boards) is that this -never- happened with my old slow original P4 with 2 ghz. I quickly noticed the issues stated above after installing my new CPU so I thought a reformat would solve the issue. The strange thing is that it seemed to for a while but It suddenly started doing it again. Temperature wise it's doing fine I think, it's around 44c as I type this.

please use your mighty CPU knowledge to help me!

thanks!

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by andycorm on 09/08/05 05:10 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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First, the linkies...
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116171" target="_new">Intel Pentium 4 3.0E Prescott</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130203" target="_new">eVGA AGP Geforce 6800GT 256MB</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118113" target="_new">ZALMAN CNPS7000B-CU 92mm</A>

Second, you say that you upgraded from a 2GHz Northy to a 3GHz Scotty. Can your PSU take that kind of a load? What kind of PSU do you have?

For that matter, do you have any temperature/voltage monitoring/logging software? (If not, try <A HREF="http://mbm.livewiredev.com/download.html" target="_new">MBM5</A>. Hopefully you can get it to work with your mobo.) Set it to record a log file of the temps and voltages, and the next time it starts acting funny, post them.

I'm betting it's the PSU though. That's a hefty new graphics card and a hungry new CPU.

But then it could be a heat problem.

And I have to ask the stupid questions: Have you pulled out every single cable and put each one back in? Have you flashed your BIOS to the latest version? Have you updated your drivers (most specifically mobo-related and graphics) with the latest versions?

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Ok I have MBM5, not really sure how to set up a log file... Can you instruct me?

heh, does PSU stand for power supply unit? if so, I forgot to mention I upgraded to a new cooler master case with a 380watt power supply. According the video card description it said it would be plenty, although I do have a lot of stuff in there.

Yup, I completely took off all cables and everything when switching the cases.

(other question: is there any way to pause/log the dos bootup screen, I think it might be saying something important but it scrolls too fast for me to read.)
 

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is there any way to pause/log the dos bootup screen
I think you mean the bios screen. Yes, the pause key, just above the page up key will do that.
Three questions for you. How much ram do you have? What antivirus are you running? How many processes are you running right now?
 

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I've got 1gig RAM 2x256 (duel channeled) and 1x512

Running AVG free edition

With as many programs as I am able to close currently closed. (expect AVG and Real message center, cant figure out how ugh)I have 33 Processes.

Although most of the time the freaky problem occurs is after playing a system taxing game which I have not done since the last time I rebooted.
 

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Ok I have MBM5, not really sure how to set up a log file... Can you instruct me?
I could if I had it to look at, but my work PC doesn't support any such useful tools. (It's a Dell. :frown: )

From memory I think there's a High/Low section for each 'component' (like the 3.3V, 5V, 12V, voltages, the CPU heat, etc.) and then a log file section itself where you choose how often a recording is added to the log file, what format to record, etc. I don't know for sure. It's been a while. Anyone with MBM running, a little help here would be appreciated.

heh, does PSU stand for power supply unit? if so, I forgot to mention I upgraded to a new cooler master case with a 380watt power supply.
You guessed it. That's what the PSU is. And I'm not entirely convinced that you went high enough. It might do. It might not. Only your voltages can really tell that tale effectively.

I've got 1gig RAM 2x256 (duel channeled) and 1x512
Strange. I'm not too familiar with such a weird setup, but I didn't think that you could dual-channel like that. I'd have thought you'd be kicked back into single-channel mode for doing that.

Although most of the time the freaky problem occurs is after playing a system taxing game which I have not done since the last time I rebooted.
Hmm. This makes it sound like either one of your RAM sticks is bad, or your case isn't adequately venting its heat...

Try running with the side of the case off, and if you have one, a house fan blowing on the open side of the case.

For that matter, also try <A HREF="http://www.memtest86.com" target="_new">memtest</A>.

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Ok I have MBM5, not really sure how to set up a log file... Can you instruct me?
On the main screen of MBM5, look to the lower left hand side. There you will see choices/features. Click on the "sys log" feature. This will bring up the page where you set it up.

Select to have file sent to a text.doc. Select whatever recording interval you want (ex. 1 sec, every 30 secs etc). Then select the number of entries you will allow it to record (100, 1000 etc)

When you wanna see the log/readings, go into the MBM5 folder and look for the log file.

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Ok I tried removing the 512 stick. Played around with my comp for a bit and noticed that:

1: it was running slower, seems the ram was doing it's job
2: It started failing to launch programs again after I ran and closed a bunch of programs.

Here is the Motherboard monitor log:

<pre>+---------------+---------------+----------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
| | | | Case | CPU | Sensor 3 | Core 0 | Core 1 | +3.3 | +5.00 | +12.00 | -12.00 | -5.00 | Fan 1 | Fan 2 | Fan 3 |
+---------------+---------------+----------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
| 9/17/2005 | 1:56:49 PM | 3009 MHz | 29° C | 42° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2721 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:56:19 PM | 3009 MHz | 29° C | 44° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.80 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2721 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:55:49 PM | 3009 MHz | 29° C | 43° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.58 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 6026 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:45:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 43° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.36 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:45:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 43° C | 0° C | 1.34 V | 2.61 V | 3.36 V | 5.00 V | 11.80 V | -7.01 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 6026 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:44:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 44° C | 0° C | 1.33 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.80 V | -6.93 V | -3.63 V | 2556 RPM | 6026 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:44:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 43° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.36 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -7.01 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:43:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 44° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.59 V | 3.36 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2556 RPM | 6026 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:43:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 44° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.36 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:42:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 44° C | 0° C | 1.34 V | 2.59 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.63 V | 2556 RPM | 6026 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:42:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 46° C | 0° C | 1.31 V | 2.59 V | 3.34 V | 5.03 V | 11.61 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2556 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:41:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 45° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.36 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2556 RPM | 6026 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:41:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 45° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.36 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.63 V | 2556 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:40:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 45° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:40:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 47° C | 0° C | 1.34 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:39:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 49° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.59 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.63 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:39:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 52° C | 0° C | 1.31 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.03 V | 11.61 V | -6.93 V | -3.63 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:38:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 52° C | 0° C | 1.34 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.03 V | 11.61 V | -7.01 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:38:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 54° C | 0° C | 1.33 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.03 V | 11.67 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2556 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:37:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 29° C | 53° C | 0° C | 1.31 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.67 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2636 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:37:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 51° C | 0° C | 1.33 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.67 V | -7.01 V | -3.68 V | 2556 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:36:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 47° C | 0° C | 1.33 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.03 V | 11.67 V | -6.93 V | -3.63 V | 2556 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:36:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 46° C | 0° C | 1.34 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.63 V | 2556 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:35:56 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 51° C | 0° C | 1.33 V | 2.61 V | 3.34 V | 5.00 V | 11.67 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2556 RPM | 5625 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 9/17/2005 | 1:35:26 PM | 3005 MHz | 28° C | 51° C | 0° C | 1.36 V | 2.61 V | 3.36 V | 5.00 V | 11.73 V | -6.93 V | -3.68 V | 2556 RPM | 6026 RPM | 0 RPM |
</pre><p> I hope that table looks right when I post it >_>

the issue would have happend just a few entries before the top. I rebooted and It likely recorded a couple before I could close it.

(note: after the reboot it had the 512 stick in it so I figure that could be why the CPU is clocked 4mhz higher)
 

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note: after the reboot it had the 512 stick in it so I figure that could be why the CPU is clocked 4mhz higher
Say what? now that would be odd.
Try upping your v-dimm to 2.8. Ram is less heat sensitive and stable, with a little more voltage.
 

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Wow. Wild. Your temps look fine. Your <i>positive</i> voltages look fine. Your <i>negative</i> voltages though... Freaky. Something ain't right there. And yet I can't think of anything that actually uses the negative rails. More importantly though, there's no degredation nor fluxuation right before the crash to indicate that a problem is occuring. By all accounts everything seems okay there, even though those negative rails are really weird.

So try endyen's advice. Most RAM is warranted up to 2.8v anyway.

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P.S. On a second look, what's also weird is that not only does the MHz increase slightly with the different RAM stick, but so too does (what I'm assuming is) the CPU Fan's RPMs. Not that this is in any way a problem, but it's ... strange.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by slvr_phoenix on 09/19/05 12:38 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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Ok I tried upping the voltage and same deal happens. However, I tired swapping my old 2Ghz processor briefly and was able to recreate the problem. So theres a good bet it's not that. Still though, this problem never happend until I upgraded the PSU + case, Video card and my Mobo's bios.
 

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don't know if anyone asked this or if i missed something,

but when you upgraded, did this so happen to start AROUND the same time you bought your new motherboard?