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well christ! there will be like 4 people in a row that will totally flame him and prove him totally wrong. then he will just repeat himself like a broken record in another thread, as if he didnt even regard what anyone told him..
i think i AM gonna update my sig LOL
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i think i AM gonna update my sig LOL
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well you have some tough choices, i can see that.
if you can afford any of those options, i would lean towards the s939 ahtlon 64 system. performance wise, evne in encoding, the p4 3.0 versus the ahtlon 64 3500+ will be very close, and i doubt the p4 at 3ghz could outperform the 3500+ evne in video encoding. if oyu see numbers to the contrary, then so be it, but i havent seen any to say that. of course it also matters what apps youll be using, some might give evne the p4 3ghz a slight edge, but not much. now upgrade wise, think of what youll be able to upgrade to on s939 versus the p4 system. now only are you looking at beyond 4000+, youll also get a dual core option next year. for myself, thats what sold me becuase thats quite a lot of longevity for a system. you cant say that for the p4 system, even lg755 isnt a sure bet as far as being pin compatible with dual core.
with all your criteria, id say s939 will give you the longest performance cycle before having to change up the whole system.
if you can afford any of those options, i would lean towards the s939 ahtlon 64 system. performance wise, evne in encoding, the p4 3.0 versus the ahtlon 64 3500+ will be very close, and i doubt the p4 at 3ghz could outperform the 3500+ evne in video encoding. if oyu see numbers to the contrary, then so be it, but i havent seen any to say that. of course it also matters what apps youll be using, some might give evne the p4 3ghz a slight edge, but not much. now upgrade wise, think of what youll be able to upgrade to on s939 versus the p4 system. now only are you looking at beyond 4000+, youll also get a dual core option next year. for myself, thats what sold me becuase thats quite a lot of longevity for a system. you cant say that for the p4 system, even lg755 isnt a sure bet as far as being pin compatible with dual core.
with all your criteria, id say s939 will give you the longest performance cycle before having to change up the whole system.
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all of this will depend on what microsoft is gonna do next with Windows Longhorn, and Windows 64-bit edition for extended systems. That's the thing, while we wait for Microsoft, buying a system now and trying to keep up with technology is going to be tricky. A sure thing would be going for intel based system, thats a safer route, because you know for sure that software will support that architecture.
It comes down to personal preference i think. both processors are good , just different approaches. It's just that intel is a much larger company than AMD, and has great influence over technology standards. Usually everyone involved will cater to the biggest company, software, games. AMD's advantage has always been value and performance, but it seems you only get performance nowadays, since the A64 3500+ cost more than a 3.2 P4.
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It comes down to personal preference i think. both processors are good , just different approaches. It's just that intel is a much larger company than AMD, and has great influence over technology standards. Usually everyone involved will cater to the biggest company, software, games. AMD's advantage has always been value and performance, but it seems you only get performance nowadays, since the A64 3500+ cost more than a 3.2 P4.
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well um i dont see what that has to do wiht my points, i never even mentioned x86-64, i dont evne liek to make that a huge deal for buying into an ahtlon 64. it wont matter what ms does, all of those things that i said are true, amd will have a long upgrade path on s939.
if oyu want to bring 64bit into the mix, i dont see how ms choices favor amd or intel, since now that boht offer 64bit, both wil be on equal footing when ms gets an os out, then we will see whihc one did a more commplete job at the onset.
what techonologies are you refering to when you say technology standards? what is amd doing that would not be supported by the industry? if aigan your refering to amd64, its already happend and will continue to grow, sure itll be slower then most owuld like, but it iwll grow. besides that, there isnt anyhting else that would not be implemented.
if oyu want to bring 64bit into the mix, i dont see how ms choices favor amd or intel, since now that boht offer 64bit, both wil be on equal footing when ms gets an os out, then we will see whihc one did a more commplete job at the onset.
what techonologies are you refering to when you say technology standards? what is amd doing that would not be supported by the industry? if aigan your refering to amd64, its already happend and will continue to grow, sure itll be slower then most owuld like, but it iwll grow. besides that, there isnt anyhting else that would not be implemented.
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now that performance isnt an arguement, it changes to "support". meanwhile excellent support for both platforms has always been there and hasnt hindered either company whatsoever
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I'm seriously considering getting the 6800GT through some of those "gifts" you mentioned. I mean, come on, taxes that <i>double the prices</i> of the components I buy, on top of currency exchange ratios? Nasty government...
So I'd consider getting the video card and possibly the tv wonder through one of those channels. Going with, say, a 2.8C or 3.0C will probably be possible, but A64 3500+, as tempting as it sounds, will require a LOT more money here...
<i><font color=red>You never change the existing reality by fighting it. Instead, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete</font color=red> - Buckminster Fuller </i><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Mephistopheles on 08/09/04 02:05 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
So I'd consider getting the video card and possibly the tv wonder through one of those channels. Going with, say, a 2.8C or 3.0C will probably be possible, but A64 3500+, as tempting as it sounds, will require a LOT more money here...
<i><font color=red>You never change the existing reality by fighting it. Instead, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete</font color=red> - Buckminster Fuller </i><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Mephistopheles on 08/09/04 02:05 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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I missed that post, that's exactly what I'm planning on doing!
Thanks for all your help, everybody. I'm waiting on the 22nd August price cuts... From either Intel or AMD....
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Are you going to be playing HL2 as well? Seems the X800 will out perform the 6800 by 30% in that game.
The nvidia may perform better in open Gl but the Ati card will clean up in direct 3D.
If you want to go 754, you might think about the Asus K8N-E Deluxe. It has the nforce3 250gb chipset, and is by Asus.
The nvidia may perform better in open Gl but the Ati card will clean up in direct 3D.
If you want to go 754, you might think about the Asus K8N-E Deluxe. It has the nforce3 250gb chipset, and is by Asus.
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If you go for A64, then I recommend Athlon64 3200+ (2.2 GHz, 512k L2 cache) with MSI K8N Neo Platinum/Chaintech VNF3-250/or other nForce3 250 based mobo
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Spending extra money for socket 939 doesn't make sense, since you don't upgrade often. Your new system will take a long time to get backdated and then both current socket 939 and 754 mobos won't remain attractive for upgrade.
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'since the A64 3500+ cost more than a 3.2 P4'
But much less that the 3.4, which is the chip that it is targetted at. What about that the P4 3.2 cost more than the A642800+....Does that make the 3.2 expensive?
I dont understand why Intel is a safer route? Back in '93, I had an AMD 486 CPU ...and AMD still there running today's apps. Microsoft works with AMD to define 64 bits set, so, I'm not really worried about support.
Dont be mistaken, you have a nice setup. You dont have to be ashamed and it is ok to promote it. But not the way you do it. Saying that AMD may not be there in 5 years in a supposition, not a facts! Give the facts!
You just have to say that you like your rig. It is running stable, and give me good score with Aquamark. Setting up was easy, and ....bla bla bla...
In other words, promote your rig, dont demote other's one.
-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
But much less that the 3.4, which is the chip that it is targetted at. What about that the P4 3.2 cost more than the A642800+....Does that make the 3.2 expensive?
I dont understand why Intel is a safer route? Back in '93, I had an AMD 486 CPU ...and AMD still there running today's apps. Microsoft works with AMD to define 64 bits set, so, I'm not really worried about support.
Dont be mistaken, you have a nice setup. You dont have to be ashamed and it is ok to promote it. But not the way you do it. Saying that AMD may not be there in 5 years in a supposition, not a facts! Give the facts!
You just have to say that you like your rig. It is running stable, and give me good score with Aquamark. Setting up was easy, and ....bla bla bla...
In other words, promote your rig, dont demote other's one.
-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
While some of your points still dont add up and some of it doesnt make sens at all, your now exposing some good points. I still have fun reading your psot
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Forgot to mention Prescott has two times more logic transistor than the NorthWood!
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Hm, you're right, I don't often upgrade.
Right now, I'm thinking I probably won't manage the 3500+.
So I'm somewhat tempted to go with a good s754 mobo, or a good s478 mobo, and put in something like a 3.0C or 3200+. Forget s939. In any case, upgrading processor alone is only an acceptable idea (from my point of view) for something like 6-12 months; more than that and your mobo is bound to be outdated. You're right.
What about the ASUS K8V? If I can get that, I'll probably spare some money... Hm, that would mean that I'll probably need a dedicated sound card... Is that nForce3 integrated firewall any good?
What about <b>DVD recorders?</b> Are these worth it?...
<i><font color=red>You never change the existing reality by fighting it. Instead, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete</font color=red> - Buckminster Fuller </i><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Mephistopheles on 08/09/04 03:20 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
well if you want save money on the s754 side, you could always go with a chaintech vnf3 mobo. its about $80 and its still a good board. it may nto have a bunch of bells and whistles, but itll certainly work for you till your next upgrade. as far as the k8v goes, ive installed probably 20-30 of these and so far i only had a couple i had ot rma, those were early revisitions with the bad capacitors, and they have performed to spec. of course with either the k8v or vnf3, youd need a dedicated sound card if you want top notch sound.
as far as dvd burner, id suggest one of these two choices:
BenQ DW822A Plus 8x dvd-r/+r 4x dvd-rw/+rw
NEC ND-2510A 8x DVD+R/-R, 4x DVD+RW/-RW, 2.4x DL DVD+R
both are around the same price, $80, so id lean to the new drive, which is the one i bought. not only does it run at the same speed at the benq model, but it also offers dual layer capability, which is something i wanted. even if the media isnt easy to get yet, when it is, ill be ready. until then its a great drive anyway for single layer dvd recording.
as far as dvd burner, id suggest one of these two choices:
BenQ DW822A Plus 8x dvd-r/+r 4x dvd-rw/+rw
NEC ND-2510A 8x DVD+R/-R, 4x DVD+RW/-RW, 2.4x DL DVD+R
both are around the same price, $80, so id lean to the new drive, which is the one i bought. not only does it run at the same speed at the benq model, but it also offers dual layer capability, which is something i wanted. even if the media isnt easy to get yet, when it is, ill be ready. until then its a great drive anyway for single layer dvd recording.
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Hm, sorry i've not been keeping up with the threat, and yeah, as some people said, even the onboard sound nowadays is pretty decent, almost as good as if not better than some discreet $40-60 sound cards.
If you don't upgrade, you might as well get one single proc/motherboard you like and stick with it, especially if you don't plan on fiddling with overclocking.
I'm half tempted to get an i925x motherboard and P4 2.8, simply because they've reached such a huge equity with the i865/875 boards. I've literally seen full blown i925x boards for $120 that have an ATA port and 4-8 SATA ports, stupidly high amounts of USB and Firewire, and plenty of fun extras. I'd just be wary of getting DDR2 at this point in time. And while the Prescott *does* run hot, $160'ish for a 2.8 isn't bad, and that has a decent overclocking potential (3.4-3.6ghz perhaps, on a good air cooler). Worst case scenario, it runs at 2.8ghz, maybe a bit more, but it's future proof, has PCI-e and the other shebang.
Still, the 250gb chipset is pretty spiffy, onboord firewall, bumped up HT, more features for the money. K8V is pretty good motherboard, the Abit A8V is also a nice choice. The firewall is great, i've a friend that used that soley (no software based) and he has had no issues yet behind a broadband connection. Chipset level, so i'd doubt it'd fail. Kinda like the NX bit the A64 and P4 are using now, doubtful that it would fail if it's implemented correctly.
Same with DVD recorders on price equity. You can get a dual-format one for $60-80 and still get the benefits of 8x or 12x DVD writing, and mostly full CD writing. Plus you get the DVD reading too. Good buy if you ask me, and it's not difficult to find DVD-R's or DVD-RW's these days.
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If you don't upgrade, you might as well get one single proc/motherboard you like and stick with it, especially if you don't plan on fiddling with overclocking.
I'm half tempted to get an i925x motherboard and P4 2.8, simply because they've reached such a huge equity with the i865/875 boards. I've literally seen full blown i925x boards for $120 that have an ATA port and 4-8 SATA ports, stupidly high amounts of USB and Firewire, and plenty of fun extras. I'd just be wary of getting DDR2 at this point in time. And while the Prescott *does* run hot, $160'ish for a 2.8 isn't bad, and that has a decent overclocking potential (3.4-3.6ghz perhaps, on a good air cooler). Worst case scenario, it runs at 2.8ghz, maybe a bit more, but it's future proof, has PCI-e and the other shebang.
Still, the 250gb chipset is pretty spiffy, onboord firewall, bumped up HT, more features for the money. K8V is pretty good motherboard, the Abit A8V is also a nice choice. The firewall is great, i've a friend that used that soley (no software based) and he has had no issues yet behind a broadband connection. Chipset level, so i'd doubt it'd fail. Kinda like the NX bit the A64 and P4 are using now, doubtful that it would fail if it's implemented correctly.
Same with DVD recorders on price equity. You can get a dual-format one for $60-80 and still get the benefits of 8x or 12x DVD writing, and mostly full CD writing. Plus you get the DVD reading too. Good buy if you ask me, and it's not difficult to find DVD-R's or DVD-RW's these days.
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Would you qualify the remote as being of very high importance? I just found that AOPEN has an <A HREF="http://english.aopen.com.tw/products/vga/default.htm" target="_new">Aelos 6800GT</A> that has video-in! It's not on "capture", but if you open the page for that GT, it <i>has</i> a video in connector.
I wonder if the remote is truly THAT important? I mean, a full-blown remote wonder from Ati costs around $40-50, and that's just the remote!
If I can find a GT with video-in, I'll probably find a way to go without a remote...
Speaking of which, I think that I'll probably (and unfortunately) have to put this purchase on hold for a few weeks... Something like 1 or two months still... but not more.
Thanks, everyone, for your help.
I wonder if the CPU scenario will change? I expect more GT cards with video-in by then...
<i><font color=red>You never change the existing reality by fighting it. Instead, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete</font color=red> - Buckminster Fuller </i><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Mephistopheles on 08/09/04 06:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
well i think your choices will only get harder if your going to be waiting 1-2 months. wiht the nforce 4 slated to come in that time, not only will it be a big option for the s939 ahtlon, but it will also lead to cheaper s939 chips, combine that with amd's 90nm release that is to come anytime within the next month. you may be switching back to s939 by then.
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<b>Are you sure that 90nm athlons</b> are due within a month???
I checked on that nForce4, and while it looks good, it's due only by the end of the year!... I'll check again....
That sounds great, but a bit too unbelievable! I'd love to get a nForce4 with a cheap 90nm athlon, but that ain't happening until 2005!
I'll have to wait anyway...
<i><font color=red>You never change the existing reality by fighting it. Instead, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete</font color=red> - Buckminster Fuller </i><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Mephistopheles on 08/09/04 07:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
I checked on that nForce4, and while it looks good, it's due only by the end of the year!... I'll check again....
That sounds great, but a bit too unbelievable! I'd love to get a nForce4 with a cheap 90nm athlon, but that ain't happening until 2005!
I'll have to wait anyway...
<i><font color=red>You never change the existing reality by fighting it. Instead, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete</font color=red> - Buckminster Fuller </i><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Mephistopheles on 08/09/04 07:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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