No Booting Straight to Desktop in Windows 8

[belardo]

[citation][nom]gnesterenko[/nom]blah blah blah~~ I'll forgo the massive improvement in resource management to avoid clicking a button. I'm logical![/citation] there is nothing that shows massive resource improvements. The faster boot up is because the pc is effectively in a sleep mode. An SSD on win7 does the job. Metro is useless, period. It's just a launcher that sucks up a whole screen with changes that are not actually an improvement. Explorer in win8 has a slight improvement in that they brought back the UP button from XP. Task manager is vastly improved, copy files very nice. All of that isn't worth the rape UI.

It's frustrating to use, it's idiotic. And fingerprints on tablets and phones are bad enough... But getting prints on my 24" display is NOT allowed.

Windows OS is becoming irreverent. Microsoft knows this... Eventually theyll switch to a subscription service to keep the money train moving. Other than some custom old programs and intuit software, most people simply DO NOT need windows, and since metro isn't Windows, then why bother?

 

[sabarjp]

[citation][nom]gnesterenko[/nom]Let's see - forcing users to click one button. 1 second lost. Time saved through better use of hardware in JUST the loading times for other applications (you know, the things hat people ACTUALLY use their computers for - seems like half the people here use their PC just to look at their OS desktop /smh) = 5 seconds in the first 20 minutes of use (very conservative estimate).Yep, makes sense. I'll forgo the massive improvement in resource management to avoid clicking a button. I'm logical![/citation]

My applications do not load or run any faster in Windows 8. Where are you getting this info from? The only performance difference for me is a slight change in idle memory usage and a slightly faster boot time (core i5-2500k with SSD).

It isn't any snappier with crap hardware either. It is exactly the same experience as vista/7 on this machine (amd athlon dual core).

Honestly, Windows 8 doesn't offer anything over Windows 7. Even Mac OSX and Ubuntu will be more user-friendly than 8, soley because of how the desktop is presented. That is kind of sad since both of those OSes made some major mis-steps recently (full-screen support, global menu, Unity, app integration). Why did MS not jump on the opportunity? They made the exact same mistake.

 

[Supertrek32]

The problem with metro is that it doesn't allow you to really run more than 1 application at a time, since all of its apps are fullscreen.

In other words, they took the windows out of Windows.

Anyone else see something very, very wrong with that last sentence?

 

[Guest]

[citation][nom]M1n3Kraft[/nom]It isn't really an opinion when your going "BAAAAW METRO 0/10 NEXT VISTA!11!!1one".[/citation]

There are only a handful of serious posters on this site. Almost everyone is a troll or Samsung / Google plant that will just spew trash about everything.

It's a far cry from what this site used to be in the 3DFX vs. nvidia days, back when I actually considered this a credible site.

 

[Guest]

[citation][nom]darasen[/nom]I have a hard time taking anyone seriously that does not know the difference between there and they're.[/citation]


Lets just ignore the entire argument because of that.

 

[Guest]

I really don't mind, but the problem is software is patched to work only with the latest operation systems even though it can run perfectly on older ones, an example is Halo 2 for 'Vista', and all it needed was a tiny patch to get it to run on XP. I just hope they don't do that again.

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]M1n3Kraft[/nom]Y'all have fun on Linux and MacOS with poor driver support, having to have to wait to get your games coded for them, and other things. Linux is a good OS, just not for gaming.[/citation] steam is on Mac and Linux, but yeah game support on those are weaker... But they area growth market, while windows is not. Besides, I'm going console. AAA pc games are just ports from consoles now, to spent $250 or more for a video card is dumb. Exepct for multiple monitor support. Ms themselves doesn't support PC gaming. Show me Gears of War 2 and 3 for PC. I bought gears 1. So game support is not important anymore... So therefore, I don't really need windows.

 

[turbineTom]

I just hope custom PC configurations will maintain an option to stick with Win7, RIP Metro

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]DarkenMoon97[/nom]There is only one answer, stay with Windows 7 and buy Windows 7 for PC's that have Windows 8 on them.[/citation] What? So someone buys a NEW PC, they should have to buy the OS all over again? Already did that a few times with vista for others. And considering how much Microsoft is shoving Metro up our asses... They are going to kill windows 7 off the shelves like they did with vista... Then again, people rarely bought vista. So the real options are stay with win7 or go with Mac or Linux.

 

[fayzaan]

[citation][nom]leongrado[/nom]Maybe it won't be so bad. I've never tried Windows 8 so I can't say. I doubt Microsoft would release something if they knew people were going to hate it. Then again there was Vista.... Who knows....[/citation]

People hated Vista because of poor drivers, software compatibility etc. but this is a design change. To be honest, although I haven't tried it, I think this is a nice change. I don't think ill have much of a problem getting accustomed to it.

If you can select the program you're looking for from a tile, then its like clicking that shortcut on the desktop or how you pin the program to the taskbar in Windows 7. Why would anyone want to go through a Start>programs>name of program when you can just click on the app from the desktop screen?

You want speed? efficiency? convenience? well that's what they tried to do with this change. They even did research and realized that very few actually use the start menu. Why? because most people will just create shortcuts for their favorite program.

I am no nub to computers, been dealing with em since Windows 95 (even had a chance to use windows 3.1 for some time on a 386), even as a techy guy I would prefer this than going through start menu.

Although I don't agree with blocking the ability to go straight into the desktop...

 

[Kami3k]

[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]steam is on Mac and Linux, but yeah game support on those are weaker... But they area growth market, while windows is not. Besides, I'm going console. AAA pc games are just ports from consoles now, to spent $250 or more for a video card is dumb. Exepct for multiple monitor support. Ms themselves doesn't support PC gaming. Show me Gears of War 2 and 3 for PC. I bought gears 1. So game support is not important anymore... So therefore, I don't really need windows.[/citation]

Lol, a future ConTard.

 

[bryonhowley]

[citation][nom]Reveyah[/nom]Well I will be sticking with Windows 7, so far everything I see about Windows 8 Makes me hate it.[/citation]
Yes I know what you mean how could anyone want faster booting faster shutdown times, better performance in games and app's, better memory management, faster desktop navigation, faster launch times for games and app's, support for newer hardware. My hope is that Microsoft will be also be able to block all Start Menu hacks there is no reason at all to use them ever.

 

[Guest]

I guess it really is time to upgrade to Windows 7. I've been holding out on XP for years because I ahven't really required any newer features, nor x64 which is the only real reason I'm currently considering upgrading. I can't believe it's taken this long for my personal usage to eclipse the capabilities of XP. Software is just ridiculously far behind at this point.

 

[hannibal]

[citation][nom]EDVINASM[/nom]Best of luck and good bye Windows 8. Hopefully Windows 9 will be a "smarter" OS.[/citation]

Not likely. MS whole new economy model is based on common "Metro" based UI. So there will be "Metro" or what ever they are calling it at least in the next 2-5 windows versions. So win9 and win10 at least have Metro based UI, hard to say after that. But lukily all of those who don't like Metro can use win7 at least to year 2020.
After that who knows. Most propably most of the people moves to use Metro. Some may use Linux, but not so many, unless most of the program greation moves to that direction (not likely) even less will chose to move to iOS. They both are fine OS, but it is hard to see them to become so popular that they will replase windows.

 

[ricdiculus]

[citation][nom]WIN8_IS_GREAT_[/nom]There are only a handful of serious posters on this site. Almost everyone is a troll or Samsung / Google plant that will just spew trash about everything.It's a far cry from what this site used to be in the 3DFX vs. nvidia days, back when I actually considered this a credible site.[/citation]

Or win 8 really does suck. Maybe thats it. Seems to be the popular opinion here. I agree.

 

[clownbaby]

Unless there is some massive performance increase, I can't imagine switching to windows 8. Bringing the tablet to the the desktop just doesn't seem logical.

Is Windows due for a new UI. ABSOLUTELY! But it needs to be efficient and intuitive. Windows 8 looks to do nothing but interrupt my workflow.

There are still MILLIONS of people who use windows machines every day to make a living. This seems like they're taking windows and completely converting it into a consumer based product for people who watch movies on pads and think touch screens are cool.

Am I going to have to learn OS X?

 

[Guest]

Metro is not the only thing wrong with win8. Behold my list of issues;

1. The new start search is way more cumbersome than hitting one button and starting to type
2. The corner menus are difficult to use with a mouse compared to the old style
3. My login scripts that map network drives and do other various things do not start until the desktop is opened.
4. I like aero so the thought of losing that is annoying.
5. I liked the widgets in win7 and Vista. The monitoring tools were great.
6. The new OEM activation adds extra steps to using images for the company I work for.

*To all the pro win8 people out there. Yes, i installed 2 preview versions of 8 on a Dell laptop. I gave it several hours of use. To be fair there are some nice improvements but the cons far outweigh the pros

** The start button was more than an app launcher. It was the search, you could right click on various menu items to get to other places (I know the new bottom left corner right click gets some of that back) and It also did not take up the ENTIRE SCREEN.

*** The company I work for will also be skipping 8 and holding on to XP/7.

 

[nukemaster]

[citation][nom]jacekring[/nom]Prediction for Windows 8 and 9? Windows 9 will be a fixed windows 8 which returns the desktop and kills Metro or makes it like an overlay you can bring up with a button or some such.[/citation]
An transparent overlay would be AWESOME!!!

Vista it self was honestly a victim of BAD DRIVERS and SUPPORT.

On that note, I have used the Win8 preview since it came out, once you get used to it, it is not that bad(sure it takes some getting used to, but also has be hitting start + C to check the time on 7 now....). Kind of like getting used to a start menu vs the old program groups of win3.1

That said, I would much rather it not be full screen because it makes it feel like my programs have disappeared(ahh transparency would be nice ).

On a side note, with so many users seeing a computer as little more then a Facebook/E-mail(up and in full-screen anyway) machine, I do not think Metro(ERRRr the "New" interface) will be as big of a turn off as some think. It will be just like the Cell phones most users can not live without anymore.

I remember when social meant "With Others" not "Online"

 

[atikkur]

how superior your product is, if we dont like it, then no buy.. win8 performance gain is nill, considering win7 is still enough.

 

[Guest]

I cant believe Microsoft is dumb enough to think that they can just force their crappy new OS on us so that they can bank off the app store. This is just like blizzard thinking Diablo 3 items would equal instant money. And all it did was cause everyone I know to tire of the game quickly and stop playing.

Microsoft, all your doing is alienating your customers and setting yourself up for the worse product release in your company's history. Forcing people to use your crappy tile system is not going to make people buy your apps, its going to make people switch to a competitor.

So get your heads screwed on straight and please save this from being an utter disaster before its too late for you to recover from it.

 

[Guest]

And for any of those who want to talk about that start bar bullshit and how nooone actually uses it and so we shouldn't complain.. Every.. and I mean every IT person I know is ravingly upset about it. I use it constantly, every IT guy I know does. It is the simpliest and easiest way to be able to sort through a lot of things for what you want very quickly. Microsoft is wrong. People love the start bar. And to take it away and then BLAME it on the upset customers is some of the worse PR I've ever heard of. I know of whole companies that are swearing off Windows 8 before its ever released. Vista was rough but mostly it got a lot of undeserved flak. This is a terrible product that deserves everything bad said about it.

 

[Hunter_Killers]

The W8 white knights are hilarious. Performance is way more than numbers on a benchmark. If it's going to take me longer to do anything with 10+ windows open its already a failure. There was no reason to cut out features when both Metro and the desktop are separate.

Startup and shutdown times are also meaningless when you restart once every several weeks.

 

[Guest]

Microsoft "Bob" all over again.

 

[d_kuhn]

For me: Windows 7 will remain the standard OS for desktop/laptop machines, Windows 8 I'll give a spin on the tablet when it comes out. I just don't see a good reason to buy a touchscreen monitor for my gaming machine, and I don't have touchscreens on any of my laptops. Without a touchscreen, the Windows 8 interface formerly known as Metro just doesn't make sense, and no amount of kerjiggering with our interface flexibility to force us to use it will ever change that.

 

[Usersname]

Where the RAM goes Yous will follow. Baaah