No Booting Straight to Desktop in Windows 8

[marthisdil]

[citation][nom]rebel1280[/nom]I'm all for companies doing what they want to do, its theirs, but they are literally forcing people to do it THEIR way haha wow. It's almost as if they WANT people (and IT administrators like me) to look at this and say: "OK, so what else will my network not be able to manage via GPO? Should I give away my security settings to them as well?" That may seem far fetched but if you think about the fact they are actually disabling GPO functions, what is to stop them from disabling more, like tracking cookies and abilities to purchase apps or install apps just so their store will get more views? Three other CFO's and myself have decided that we are going to steer clear of W8 just as we did Vista.[/citation]
Right - because CFOs have any idea about anything.

There's lots of stuff you can't currently lock down with GPO - you complain about that too?

How about you switch over to Linux computers in your company...then let me know how well group policy works for ya...oh...wait...

 

[cklaubur]

I've been running the Release Preview on an 80 GB drive in an old Dell laptop, and while it runs smoothly, there are some things that bother me about it. Running apps in full-screen mode with no obvious way to close it, and just the feel of the new interface, makes me feel like Microsoft is changing some features just to change them.

I'll be sticking with Windows 7 on my desktop and Vista on my laptop.

 

[billgatez]

For those wondering why MS is doing this. It's because they want to see the apps and app store. They are after the impulse buyers.

But don't worry. There be a hack to bypass this soon enough.

 

[Guest]

Good for cellphone OS.

 

[icemunk]

If you build it, they will come.

If you buy this, you are dumb.

 

[thebigt42]

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

 

[pedro_mann]

This is a MS Fail on a whole new level. Past failures (ME, Vista) were blunders. Vista I even supported personally, because they were trying to design a better kernel and driver model for new multicore hardware.

This time around, MS is making a 180 on purpose and dropping backward support with reckless abandon. What the fallout will be is a bunch of refugees who can easily look at other OS's/platforms. And business will just never upgrade past win 7. Trust me, they are not going to make metro apps for business apps for a very long time.

Someone needs to cross train Ballmer on how to be cool. This ain't it.

 

[pedro_mann]

[citation][nom]cklaubur[/nom]Running apps in full-screen mode with no obvious way to close it, and just the feel of the new interface, makes me feel like Microsoft is changing some features just to change them.I'll be sticking with Windows 7 on my desktop and Vista on my laptop.[/citation]
Well put. Microsoft has taken a "me too" approach. It comes across as super lame and cheesy. Then totally removing the classic interface comes across as more arrogant than what they are worth.

Ballmer is totally mis-reading the tea leaves here. There is going to mass defectors. The market is different now than it was with ME and Vista. There are 2 companies (Google and Apple) that have enough cash and determination to devour market share from MS. All it takes as a massive mistake like Win 8.

 

[pedro_mann]

[citation][nom]thebigt42[/nom]http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/[/citation]
These alternatives are popping up like flies. It is going to make end-user support hell. Not going to work for businesses either who are unlikely to adopt 3 party utilities.

Although, you are right on a personal PC level. If you want the powerful architecture under the hood of win 8, coupled with a decent interface, there are band-aids.

 

[PiraticaL]

The more I read up on Windows 8 the less excited I am about ever using it. Little tweaks and changes I am okay with but a complete overhaul is not something I am a big fan of.

 

[Lee-m]

If it was just a replacement for the start menu I might be able to live with it but its not.
Its a whole second UI carelessly slapped on top of what is now an excellent desktop env, which adds nothing at all to the desktop pc.

every time you want to launch a program, your taken away from the desktop and whatever film your watching, conversation you where having game your playing. Thats a step back from the trusty start menu.

 

[Guest]

Someone will figure out how to boot to Desktop directly and make a utility.
Hopefully, Metro will lead to better bridging of the touch and click interfaces. This is direction these various o/s are heading. Too bad Microsoft was so set about their ways and now appear to be flopping like a fish outta water looking for the consumer currents again.

 

[hetneo]

[citation][nom]Dreadteir[/nom]I'm going to go out on a limb here and actually admit, I really think Microsoft is on to something with the Tile UI. I base this on my use of Windows Phone 7, which is a nice looking OS.That said, forcing Desktop and Notebook users to switch to this in Windows 8 is a bad idea. I tried Windows 8 early on and found that using the mouse and keyboard for Tile UI to suck, bit time. At this point in time, I really think it should be an optional as touch screens are not prevalent on Desktops and Notebooks. I say introduce Tile UI now, and maybe look at making it the main UI in 2014 or 2015 when touch screens have more market penetration. This will be the first Windows release I skip, at least until I get a touch screen device.Cheers,Dreadteir[/citation]
Win 8 Metro UI is great looking stuff, for phones and tablets. On desktop is just quite pointless.

 

[Spanky Deluxe]

[citation][nom]HotRoderx[/nom]I wonder who has the bigger smile right now Apple or major Linux Distro's. Its painfully obvious Microsoft no longer wants to stay in business. A 10 year old could tell you trying to force something on people cause you like it is a bad idea. I wonder what Microsoft was thinking when it comes to business users. I could see metro maybe being useful on a POS but thats it. With this latest change not even sure if it would be then.[/citation]

Totally. The forcing aspect is where Microsoft is going wrong. Apple introduced a tablet like method of launching applications in Lion - the 'Launchpad' that is a replica of the desktop layout on iPads and iPhones. It certainly works but for users with lots of apps it isn't that user friendly. The key factor though is that Apple didn't stop user from launching apps in a manner they were used to. I.e. the dock, spotlight search, fanned applications folder on the dock or the good old method of opening up the Applications folder. All methods work just fine.

 

[Guest]

Not upgrading to Windows 8 here. If this tiled crap keeps going on I'll start developing Linux based OpenGL / DirectX substitute to tide me over until this crap stops being dev'd. Real PC users don't care for this damn "Metro" the computer illiterate maybe, but these days who doesn't already know how to use the windows 7 desktop. The ones that don't, don't even Care about computers. Stop forcing this junk down the pipe.

 

[MoulaZX]

*sigh* It's just like watching a train wreck in slow motion. It's agonizing to watch. What other utterly retarded change will they make next?

 

[izajasz]

ROTFL. Microsoft releases a "new" os that makes me use the tilde interface which sux and i have got now choice to sue one of them ? They advice peple to use keyboard shortcuts - and i ask why the hell should i use them if i can jsut boot into the dekstop mode i nwindwos 8 without bothering to use those shortcuts ??? And who the ehll is microsoft to force users to use metro interface ? "Microsoft is getting ready to launch Windows 8-specific peripherals that will make the tiled touch aspect a bit easier to navigate for those without actual touchscreens." -- wait right there ... with windwos 7 i dont need to sue any of those damned peripherals . Either microsoft is dumb or is hoping to force peopel to buy their useless toys.. Windows 8 is a real downgrade comparing to windows 7 and that means that we re waiting for windows 9 to be back to normal legit dekstop interface with menu start or at least to offer people to choose which interface they want to use during the windows setup...

 

[Guest]

Yes folks, that dull roar you hear is Linux finally taking over the one market it didn't already dominate: The consumer desktop.

The good news is that if you don't like new-school DE's like Ubuntu's Unity interface or Gnome Shell, you can still go retro-XP-style with XCFE, OpenBox, KDE and others, and nobody is ever going to try to force you to upgrade.

 

[izajasz]

[citation][nom]razor512[/nom]When the GUI was heavily pushed, some hated it but most welcomed it because it required less work.It requires fewer muscle movements to move a mouse and do 1 or 2 clicks, then it is to work in a command line and enter in 10-30 characters to perform the same action.Also the only major UI change that windows has had (before windows 8), is with the release of windows 95, and from windows 95 to windows 7, the base layout of the UI has not changed, they simply added more eye candy, and a few minor additional UI features for better window
management.Windows 95: Windows 98: Windows ME: Windows 2000: Windows XP: Windows Vista: Windows 7: As you can see, the basic layout has not changed since windows 95. The layout works and many people are very used to it. The main change that has happened is since windows 95, the taskbar has gotten twice as tall and does not display any additional information. (luckily, from windows XP to windows 7, the option to revert back to the windows 2000 UI has remained (though they have mostly gotten rid of it in windows 8Windows 8 is a large UI change, and the sad part of it is, it does not improve efficiency, it takes more work to navigate the metro UI crap than it does to navigate the classic start menu. The metro UI takes up the entire screen and displays fewer items than the windows 7 strt menu which only takes like 1/10th of the screen.The metro crap requires more mouse movement since you are working with the entire screenThe metro crap is not needed on a desktop since the mouse cursor is a precision tool; it does not need giant icons.Touch screen on a desktop or laptop is useless because compared to a tablet, you preform different tasks on a full PC, tasks that require more focus and thus finger smudges all over the screen will be extremely annoying it is also completely useless to have since it is not optimal to use a mouse, keyboard and touch screen (and the touch screen cannot replace a mouse and keyboard as it does not perform the actions that require them as well as a mouse and keyboard. (it is kinda like those gesture mice which cripple the standard mouse functions in favor of adding a few gestures)[/citation]
YES very accurate indeed. And switching back and forth do dekstop / metro is a real time eater and pain in the ass - thats the failure of win8 ; )

 

[Spanky Deluxe]

[citation][nom]linucespr0[/nom]Yes folks, that dull roar you hear is Linux finally taking over the one market it didn't already dominate: The consumer desktop.The good news is that if you don't like new-school DE's like Ubuntu's Unity interface or Gnome Shell, you can still go retro-XP-style with XCFE, OpenBox, KDE and others, and nobody is ever going to try to force you to upgrade.[/citation]

No one is going to be rushing to Linux. Those that are unhappy with 8 will either stick to 7 or switch to Mac. Apple has commented before how they always get a big increase in new customers when Microsoft releases a new OS. Chances are this will be even more pronounced this time round.

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]izajasz[/nom] thats the failure of win8 ; )[/citation] you don't have to use the entire quote when responding. Edit it down, especially if its a big quote and you want people to know what you are referring to. You can also double quote someone, then edit them both down as well.

 

[kryzzay]

There's all this talk about the new UI, but where is the talk of how this new version actually performs? W7 is pretty fast, and unless w8 is faster I'm predicting sales figures will be worse than Vista.

 

[belardo]

Wow, I get the feeling that Apple will not be spending any money on anti-PC/Windows advertising any time soon. The fire is from Windows users...

The new name of Metro = Really Awful Poop Environment (RAPE)
"Windows 8 Rape UI" - Protect your self, use Windows7, Linux, Mac OS or ChromeOS.

 

[alxianthelast]

Me, Vista.. 8.. the trend continues.

Its ok.. there's always Linux, iOS and sooner than later likely Android for desktop..

 

[Guest]

It baffles me why people complain about something they never tried, or ever will in the near future.

Then again, any argument that had a lick of sense on here got downvoted.