Norway Shooter 'Trained' with Modern Warfare, Not WoW

[southernshark]

[citation][nom]BSMonitor[/nom]It's ok. The same people who claim video game violence leads to these types of incidents, also belong to the NRA and think that everyone having guns would solve all the problems of gun related violence.[/citation]


I do not think that video games lead to violence and I am a lifetime member of the NRA and a gun owner.

It was actually Nancy Pelosi who last championed banning violent video games.....

 

[RADIO_ACTIVE]

Gangster rap made me do it...

 

[sabroe]

Currently, the media in most contries is full with stories about how this man "trained" with computer games. Here in Denmark - which is my country -, we too have had our quantity of stories about this and including long evening broadcasts on tv about this man and his training with computer games.

I believe, that some patterns of thought can be trained by playing computer games and including the "violent" computer games. I also believe, that children, who have no upbringing by their parents and have no standards of normality set by their parents or other adults, can be affected by anything - including, but most certainly not limited to, media like computer games, movies, tv, musik and media in general.

If you have had any upbringing as a child, then you can be affected by anything. For those of us, who are more normal or at least have had an upbringing, computer games continue to be a fantasy world. I do not belong to the group of people who want to believe that computer games begets violence at all - on the contrary, as some of the more sane psychologists of our society argue.

I think it is much more interesting to focus upon from where the man got his actual weapons, his ammonition and his bomb making materials. Norway is not exactly like e.g. the US, where every madman end every grandma can get anything in terms of hand guns and where people drive around with 25 weapons in the trunk of their cars and shoot at will. Hopefully, the current court trial in Norway is going to focus less on the computer games and their fantasy worlds and more on the actual actions and the origins of the applied remedies.

As a normal person, I too love computer games - first person shooters in particular, since I think that the WoW kind of games are most lame or that they at least have no appeal to me at all - and within these virtual worlds I too love to "kill" teenagers one third of my own age and just for the fun of it.

I hope the world never again sees doings like what happened in Norway; it is a tragedy.

The usual chitchat about violence in the real world and the virtual worlds of computer games has been going on for at least two decades and will never see an end, sadly.

 

[jfby]

People long before this guy brought down horrible crimes against those around them.

What did Hitler or the other people in the Nazi party use to train for what they unleashed on the World? Books? What about Jack the Ripper? Or Caligula? Massacres/crimes against humanity aren't new.

The truth is there are a lot more people in the world now than there has ever been, and unfortunately certain things go un-noticed (whether it was mental illness or just a straight up sociopath) and the news coverage is much more extensive now than it ever has been. It's easier to blame a game than it is to find the shortcomings in today's society and at least try to fix these things.

 

[syddraf]

You know gun laws in the U.S. really aren't that loose Sabroe there is a lot of paperwork involved in owning firearms (including background checks and legal transfer of ownership.) and we have regulations on what, where, and how you shoot. and with out the proper permits your not to have a firearm loaded and with in reach in your vehicle. Now that doesn't mean everyone follows those regulations but they do exist.

Sad fact is those who intend to use weapons for ill intent are going to do so regardless of the law. This guy in Norway more than likely acquired all of his equipment through less than legal means. just like the majority of weapons used in illicit crimes. look up his manifesto it shouldn't be to hard to dig up the guy was/is majorly twisted.

He basically writes it out for other to follow in his path, and states that if at all possible to go and practice with a real assault rifle and even suggests going to a second, or third world country to attend a boot camp is how he termed it. (aka terrorist training camp.) So i am sure a individual that determined wouldn't be above sneaking a illegal weapon back in with him or paying someone to smuggle it in for him.

 

[hetneo]

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]before i state ANYTHING, i want to point out i don't believe games can teach you to fire a gun.however with that said, games with snipers, bullet drop and other things, can at least teach a person more about bullets, like they drop over time, and depending on how accurate the game is, teach about how far you could expect to be accurate with a specific gun.i believe that if a game is accurate, you can assess how much recould you get from a particular weapon, and be more ready than someone who never fired it before. i do believe that with iron sights in games now, it can teach you how you want to look down a gun to be accurate, something many have trouble with when they first start shooting. i don't believe you can train in modern warfare, but i do believe it will give you an idea.[/citation]
It could teach you if you knew what to look for, but then if you know what to look for you don't need CoD to learn it and most likely you already know it. But what it doesn't teach you is why some things are done the way it's done. You can ramp up 1000s of kills from 400-500 meters in any game with sniper by aiming 4 mils above target, but in real life you won't hit broad side of a barn from 100 meters with same type of rifle and scope because you will have absolutely no clue what zeroing is. All the games can teach you is what different markings on scopes are and how to use them, which you can find out by googling make and model of scope anyway.

 

[hetneo]

And in next breaking news we have Eric Clapton and Slash confessing how they learned to play guitar using Guitar Hero.

 

[boone145]

This is stupid, now the activist are going to go all crazy and stupid. Yet this guy later said Al Quida trained him.

 

[f-14]

they used the video games as character testimony, his screen name on WOW is judicator:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGwRKY0NzKM
watch the video from 1:20 on. better than reporting as it is court side footage of the trial with english translator.
at1:41 the video even shows his WOW avatar, imo i believe they are trying to use the avatars name as proof to his moral character/mindset
you can look him up on WOW as Justicar Andersnordic

 

[Benihana]

He killed unarmed people. One idiot with a gun shows up, and shoots a lot of unarmed people. What kind of training do you need to do that?

I don't train to shoot fish in a barrel. I just shoot.