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[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]Really? I make just over $100k, have 2 Benz's (paid in full), tons of tech toys and guitars, and 0 debt...except for the mortgage. I guess it depends on where you live.[/citation]

It would be cheaper to just order the Extenze. That's what you're really going for isn't it?

I'd venture to say that no one here:
A. cares
B. believes you are truthful

 
You guys don't realize how misleading this "statistics" is? Let us compare:

21% of 88% of users
to
36% of the 12% of users

Get the point? :)
 
Guys, COME ONE, this is BS, how come:

21% of 88% of users is more than 36% of 12% of users!??!!

This is just another try to make you believe, that owning apple device makes you look richer...
 
Looking at the graph there, do they equate Ipod to MP3 player? I don't own an Ipod, but I have at least 3 or 4 MP3/MP4 players. I own 3 digital cameras, but 0 DSLR camera. The survey is biased if that is not the case. Apple computer owners would probably buy an Ipod and not a regular MP3 player. Just like people that own DSLR camera tend to be photographer/artist who would probably own a Mac and not a Windows-based PC anyway.
 
They bought the Apple computers because they work so seemlessly with their IPods, ITouches and IPhones. Now they have a fully integrated MP3 player.
They are happy. Until the next hot toy comes out that they just must have because it's so cool, you know? Just wait, the next ITouch will a video camera too...and be amazing, because well....it didn't before, you know? Now it does, cool.
 
[citation][nom]deadlockedworld[/nom]And seriously, why so many windows fanboys that just dump on everything mac? The people that buy macs know they arent getting the best price deal--they just dont care about it like you do.[/citation]
Mac owners willingly pay more...
Macs must be better because they cost more...
So please dont bother me with your inferior, cheap PC.

Its that attitude that causes so much dislike of Apple and its products among the masses.
And it seems that most of us agree, more expensive dosn't mean better.
 
[citation][nom]pepperman[/nom]Last time I checked, being arrogant does not make someone affluent.[/citation]

And what are all of these Apple bashers? Humble? Hah!

[citation][nom]pepperman[/nom]How come most macs come with Microsoft office? I don't deny those accomplishments, but OSX was just as buggy as Vista when it was first released, and I had the unfortunate experience of using both (granted, Apple fixed theirs while Microsoft is releasing a new one).[/citation]

They don't. You can buy it or buy iWorks. I prefer iWorks.[citation]

[nom]guitarpeggio[/nom]I'd venture to say that no one here:A. caresB. believes you are truthful[/citation]

The discussion was not about caring, and you have no reason to believe me...but it is true. Don't fault a person just because they know how to manage money and like quality. Typical conservative tactic...belittle those who you don't agree with.
 
[citation] Typical conservative tactic...belittle those who you don't agree with.[/citation]

So what does that make you? The "typical liberal"? Shouldn't that be two priuses on your garage? And what are you doing buy all these electronics? You are creating e-waste, tool. Thanks for speeding up climate change with your 2 cars a-hole.

So this guy doesn't believe or care about what you say you have- you assume he's a conservative? Really? That's quite the assumption, there. I believe the word you were meaning to call him is a healthy "skeptic". But if that's what they are called on the planet you're from, then I too, am a "conservative".
 
Apple owners cause global warming, promote child labor, buy more stuff they don't need, eat inefficiently farmed organic produce while the rest of the world starves, etc. Yes we already knew all this. That is why they have such a guilt complex about trying to be green.
 
Cause I'm poor, I only have what's necessary.

A Windows desktop.... with a GTX275 and X-Fi. (Gotta game)
24" LCD for said desktop (who needs a big HDTV when you sit 8 inches from this beast)
An HP Windows laptop for school (how else am I gonna stay awake in Philosophy)
A 16GB Creative Zen X-Fi MP3 player (walking to class with nothing but the sound of traffic would be boring)
Sennheiser Headphones (for the laptop and MP3 player in between classes)
TomTom One (Gotta get back home without taking a 2 hour detour don't I)
Only the necessities.

Seriously though, I will never own an Apple product. I feel dirty for having bought my brother's Power Mac for him (even though it was his money). I also pick what's worth buying. DSLR, no need, my old digicam gets the job done. Camcorder, no need. Digicam handles that too. HDTV, no need. Since regular cable, PS2, gamecube, and older systems are all low def, my 27" CRT is perfect. I have my desktop and its 24" LCD for most HD content and if I want to watch a Blu-Ray movie, in comes the laptop. Just hook it up to the 24" LCD (via HDMI no less) and plug in the Z-4 speakers and we're ready to rock. Navigation, my parents bought me a cheap TomTom on sale for Christmas almost 2 years ago cause they knew how hopeless I was when it came to navigating on my own (also this GPS is in 96 Honda Civic hatchback with manual everything, and no power steering. Ha!). Apple can piss off.
 
I wonder how many Apple haters here unknowingly own oodles of APPL stock in their retirement accounts. At one point it may have been one of the only companies still holding some value in their accounts.

Even though account managers are constantly struggling over which PC manufactures they need to sell next, Apple and Google continue to be staples in EVERYONE's tech portfolio... despite the consumer spending recession.
 
[citation][nom]gamerjames[/nom]You spend your money like an idiot. [/citation]

Ouch. So, you are implying that you do not like how I spend my money and jump to name calling. You have no idea how my family conserves our cash and buys what we want. Having 0 debt is not a property of a financial idiot. Your bad.

[citation][nom]beehew[/nom]So what does that make you? The "typical liberal"? And what are you doing buy all these electronics? You are creating e-waste, tool. Thanks for speeding up climate change with your 2 cars a-hole.So this guy doesn't believe or care about what you say you have- you assume he's a conservative? Really? That's quite the assumption, there. I believe the word you were meaning to call him is a healthy "skeptic". But if that's what they are called on the planet you're from, then I too, am a "conservative".[/citation]

A social radical here who is all for global warming. Just saying "NO" to everything is a characteristic of the right. A lot of that goes on here when it comes to Apple products...the Windows community bashes them purely out of spite, and have no numbers to support their claims. In essence, the Windows community fabricates lies just like we see at the Town Hall meetings and the conservative attacks on health care reform. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck...then it must be a duck. Quack quack.

Is it a liberal decree that hi-tech toys are not to be used? Think again...HP was number 1 in the world, with many hi-tech firms filling in the top 100. Obviously you are not aware of the fact that hi-tech toys are far more efficient than their predecessors, and it is far easier to dispose of electronics now days in an environmentally sound fashion. So one is actually doing the environment by upgrading. Also, the German's have blown away American cars for years...it is the anti-pollution requirements that they must use that brings down the gas mileage. Check out the Blue Diesel design. Know your facts.
 
[citation][nom]D_Kuhn[/nom]I hope you're referring to Apple software (which in general I believe is top shelf product)... because you CAN'T be talking about their hardware. Flashy? yes Trendy? yesQuality? MMMmmm, not so much... for the money there are many better options (looking at the relatively low reliability numbers for Apple hardware).[/citation]

This is a perfect example of disinformation from the Windows community.
Here is a good test conducted by Popular Mechanics.
Rescuecoms findings
PC World Report

Consumer Reports also reports the same. Maybe Tom's should do a field test of it's own comparing Mac's to Windows machines. The question is: would the Windows community accept the truth?
 
Nothing is wrong with Apple's software imo. It's the hardware that sucks and is why people "hackintosh".

Anyone who buys a Mac because it looks cool and they think it's "Quality" should really search themselves inside.
 
Yoder54: I think that those reports may be skewed, since Apple deletes any bug reports posted in their forums. Anything exploding/melting/burning/crashing is immediately deleted, and the uppity customer in question banned if necessary. Imagine if Microsoft or Linux did that.

PS: Popular Mechanics lost it's credibility after the infamous "unusual magnetic forces" caused WTC 7 to collapse.
 
How about this, Mac's work 95% of the time, PC's work 70% of the time. Math is simple, look at the percentage of support calls -- Apple vs. Microsoft. Now you do understand what a "ratio" is right? In case you aren't clear on the concept here is an example:

Apple: 1,000 support calls with 100,000 Mac users (1%)
PC/Windows: 300,000 support calls with 1,000,000 PC user (30%)

So please don't start with "That's because there are more PCs..." WRONG!

That's why smart and creative people have Macs -- they don't like to waste endless hours of their lives clicking on "Allow" or for that matter contacting Microsoft support (who's end result is always, wipe and re-install everything) or surf the net endlessly to find out why IE8 no longer is saving web site passwords only to find out a Microsoft windows update KB "fix" actually did MORE damage than good to their PC.

And finally, you Windows fan boys don't seem to understand what Boot Camp is? My SINGLE MacPro runs multiple operating systems. I have gone thru 3 OSX upgrades and NEVER had to do a "fresh" install (wipe and install everything again) and my MacPro keeps on running just fine.

Fanboys go NO WHERE in life, they ignore potential without even understanding it or trying it -- and that is exactly why Windows fanboys are stuck in low income streams. Microsoft is the Kmart blue light special OS.

As far as my income stream, it's been well into 6 digits for many many many years (since about age 30 - 15 years ago), so what? I don't close doors like you Windows fanboys do, but hey keep on being ignorant, there's just more suckers to exploit.
 
[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]This is a perfect example of disinformation from the Windows community.Here is a good test conducted by Popular Mechanics.Rescuecoms findingsPC World ReportConsumer Reports also reports the same. Maybe Tom's should do a field test of it's own comparing Mac's to Windows machines. The question is: would the Windows community accept the truth?[/citation]
But try comparing the quality to cost ratio? Now Apple product don't look to good anymore.
It is clear that a crummy $250 Dell will start smoking after the warranty expires, but an iPod costs almost as much as that piece of rubbish. (In addition, the iPod is also rubbish)
 
[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]
A social radical here who is all for global warming. Just saying "NO" to everything is a characteristic of the right. A lot of that goes on here when it comes to Apple products...the Windows community bashes them purely out of spite, and have no numbers to support their claims. In essence, the Windows community fabricates lies just like we see at the Town Hall meetings and the conservative attacks on health care reform. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck...then it must be a duck. Quack quack.Is it a liberal decree that hi-tech toys are not to be used? Think again...HP was number 1 in the world, with many hi-tech firms filling in the top 100. Obviously you are not aware of the fact that hi-tech toys are far more efficient than their predecessors, and it is far easier to dispose of electronics now days in an environmentally sound fashion. So one is actually doing the environment by upgrading. Also, the German's have blown away American cars for years...it is the anti-pollution requirements that they must use that brings down the gas mileage. Check out the Blue Diesel design. Know your facts.[/citation]

Wow. None of that useless blabbering spoke to my comment that you were trying to respond to. I just can't see how you made the leap from his doubts that your boasting about your spending habits are legit to you knowing his political affiliation and where he stands on national healthcare??!! Are you freaking serious? Listen to yourself. I'll break it down to a level that I think you can understand" he said "YOU LIE!"

As far as facts go: there is no such thing as "environmentally sound" e-waste disposal. There is "not at bad as it used to be" and that is it. And recycling isn't all it's cracked up to be: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/60minutes/main4579229.shtml
Your efficiency argument doesn't hold water. Consumer electronics may become more efficient, but new models of anything never stay at the status quo- they always have new functionalities that eat up any energy savings that that innovation may have given it. So, when Apple comes out with a new iPhone a year after the previous one, and all you sheep buy a new one, it's going to be just as much of a resource hog as your old one that is going to be shipped to China to be broken down by impoverished children and smelted over an open fire to recover all the caustic and toxic chemicals that your next gen toys will need. They sell that stuff and the rest will go in their drinking water. Maybe you could share some of your financial savvy with them so that they too can find a way to spend 50%+ of their annual salary on automobiles like you have (if you're telling the truth).
 
So the article was a no brainer - big deal.
More interesting than the article is the commentary that follows it. It unfortunately reflects the increasing polarization of ideas and "win the argument at all costs" attitude that is dividing us more and more every day. This will likely destroy our civilization way before global warming ever does. Vitriolic attacks between those who do not share the same ideals are commonplace, especially on the net. Lets say one succeeds in humiliating someone with a different opinion, lifestyle choice, whatever, then what? Winning doesn't make one right, and being right doesn't guarantee success. Criticizing and trying to destroy what you don't understand unfortunately doesn't make you any smarter. Next time you want to defecate on someone who buys a Mac or drives a BMW or wears expensive shoes, why not just go up to them instead, and politely ask why they do it, if you're interested, of course. You might be surprised at the answer you get. THAT takes guts. Bashing someone anonymously because they choose one brand over another ... come on guys.
 
So the article was a no brainer - big deal.
More interesting than the article is the commentary that follows it. It unfortunately reflects the increasing polarization of ideas and "win the argument at all costs" attitude that is dividing us more and more every day. This will likely destroy our civilization way before global warming ever does. Vitriolic attacks between those who do not share the same ideals are commonplace, especially on the net. Lets say one succeeds in humiliating someone with a different opinion, lifestyle choice, whatever, then what? Winning doesn't make one right, and being right doesn't guarantee success. Criticizing and trying to destroy what you don't understand unfortunately doesn't make you any smarter. Next time you want to defecate on someone who buys a Mac or drives a BMW or wears expensive shoes, why not just go up to them instead, and politely ask why they do it, if you're interested, of course. You might be surprised at the answer you get. THAT takes guts. Bashing someone anonymously because they choose one brand over another ... come on guys.
 


Here here. And also:
"Caint we all just get along?"
and
"Won't somebody think of the children?"
 
[citation][nom]beehew[/nom] There is "not at bad as it used to be" and that is it. And recycling isn't all it's cracked up to be: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/200 [...] 9229.shtmlYour efficiency argument doesn't hold water. Consumer electronics may become more efficient, but new models of anything never stay at the status quo- they always have new functionalities that eat up any energy savings that that innovation may have given it. So, when Apple comes out with a new iPhone a year after the previous one, and all you sheep buy a new one, it's going to be just as much of a resource hog as your old one that is going to be shipped to China to be broken down by impoverished children and smelted over an open fire to recover all the caustic and toxic chemicals that your next gen toys will need. They sell that stuff and the rest will go in their drinking water. Maybe you could share some of your financial savvy with them so that they too can find a way to spend 50%+ of their annual salary on automobiles like you have (if you're telling the truth).[/citation]

So are we to go back to no tech to save the planet? Things are better than they were, there is a concerted effort to do better, but we lack the "will" of the people who do anything about it. In my neighborhood only about 5% of us recycle. People are lazy or just plain stupid, and refuse to do anything that would help the environment. Look at the fools with their off-road toys...talk about a waste. The irony is that tech can save us or kill us. High-tech is still in it's infancy, but I have confidence that it will become one of the greenest industries around just because of it's nature and ability to address and solve such problems...sort of a good Catch-22.

50% of annual income? No, you buy used and with the sorry economy there have been steals at the luxury car level. Never buy new, and play the car market like you do stocks. Find a good independent mechanic, and perform required maintenance and off you go. A Benz is actually cheaper to upkeep than a Honda Civic (I own one of those to,) yet there is a false perception that they are expensive to maintain and you have to be rich to just own one. Not true.

The article was about how Apple owners are more affluent, and the Windows fans started hurling the insults without substantiation. This is the same mentality you see from the far-right and so one can only make the association.
 
Well, considering that the last apple I bought was 4x the cost of my comparable performance PC, this is kind of a no-brainer. Granted that was nigh 8 years ago, but I think they are still pricier on the whole by a notable margin. Until apple can bring the hardware costs down to the same level, then duh, the majority of Apple folk will have higher incomes.

On the other hand, I had to invest a good deal more time to match the productivity output I had with my Mac just because I had to learn the nitty gritty of the techno stuff to minimize problems with my PC and windows. Comparing the percentage of PC owners who have encountered the "Blue Screen of Death" to the percentage of Mac owners who even know that a "Sad Mac" even exists... well, then you have an argument that it may be a better value to spend the extra money.

A few years ago my mom asked whether she should get an apple or a pc when she got a new laptop. Given that she is not very tech-y and every other month she had been calling me for help because one thing or the other wasn't working right with her pc even though she barely used it, without hesistation I told her to buy Apple. It took some convincing because even though she could afford it, she is very frugal and was concerned about spending the extra money, but she finally did take my advice and bought an ibook. The result: she didn't even understand the benefit of paying for broadband over getting dial-up for free before she switched to an ibook (used to give me crap for "wasting money on luxuries" when I told her what I pay for my ISP). NOW she pays for Time Warner broadband because she thinks its a necessity, uses her computer almost every day, and only once called me to sort out a problem in the last few years!

 
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